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Post by foxypotato on Jun 13, 2020 22:16:09 GMT -5
foxypotatoJust fyi your recent post encouraging league dropping was removed as the subject contravenes the CoC. Please refrain from promoting that topic in future. Thx Understood. Thanks for taking care of that one.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 13, 2020 22:20:31 GMT -5
I’ve logged several hours playing the Hawk, but fail to see how this is designed to be a titan killer. What it does excel at is killing everything but titans, it’s energy beam reaching 500m with auto-tracking being by far more powerful than Ao Jun’s Dragon Breath. It does mediocre damage to Ming and Kid, and is horrible against Arthur. May as well just run a Glacier Ao Jun with Death Mark. So, my conclusion about the current design is that Hawk is just a glorified Ao Jun and has to be played exactly the same. In a separate thread l》THE MACHINE《l says Hawk is well made and not OP. I disagree, because it does not perform the function of titan slayer it is supposedly built for, and when well played it is more OP than Ao Jun, especially when loaded with cryo weapons. It’s kind of hard to see what would be a Titan killer without being completely overpowered against regular bots. I think they’ve missed a trick (read revenue stream) here; why not a new class of weapons that targets anti-matter reactors or something? Make them melt down or something? That is a good point. That is how the Ao Jun is a Titan counter. It just murders everything. I guess the logic here is that this new bot has a DR that cannot be bypassed by weapons that bypass DR such as Titan weapons. This allows the bot more exposure time against Titans than other bots. With the upcoming Titan Quantum Radar this will he the only bot to directly counter Titans. Sell a problem and then sell the solution. For regular bots I guess they can just hide away like they already do against Ares and Ao Jun unless they want to spend PCs to be able to damage them. There is no PC or weapon counter to this new DR in this bot so no point it dealing with it while its ability is active. Just wait it out. For many of us this is nothing new.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 13, 2020 22:30:32 GMT -5
It’s kind of hard to see what would be a Titan killer without being completely overpowered against regular bots. I think they’ve missed a trick (read revenue stream) here; why not a new class of weapons that targets anti-matter reactors or something? Make them melt down or something? That is a good point. That is how the Ao Jun is a Titan counter. It just murders everything. I guess the logic here is that this new bot has a DR that cannot be bypassed by weapons that bypass DR such as Titan weapons. This allows the bot more exposure time against Titans than other bots. With the upcoming Titan Quantum Radar this will he the only bot to directly counter Titans. Sell a problem and then sell the solution. For regular bots I guess they can just hide away like they already do against Ares and Ao Jun unless they want to spend PCs to be able to damage them. There is no PC or weapon counter to this new DR in this bot so no point it dealing with it while its ability is active. Just wait it out. For many of us this is nothing new. Despite their resistance, the titan weapons appear to do pretty well against them. I do agree with tinman that they’ve ‘missed a trick‘ about being a ‘titan killer’. If the mounted weapons were also active (only when targeting a titan), then I could agree it is a titan killer. Otherwise, not very impressed.
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Post by hi5 on Jun 13, 2020 22:33:49 GMT -5
I just watched some YouTuber videos. Hawk combines the annoyance of being attacked by an Ao Jun with the "you can't hit me" aspect of the Leech. Also it has resistance? Geez. If what I have heard is accurate the damage resistance is bypass resistant, and the in built weapon damage scales with what weapons are mounted. Yeah there were a couple parts of the ability descriptions that were a little vague, especially that part about scaling built-in weapon damage based on the level of weapons for the equipped but flight-disabled 2x heavy and 2x light. That could be an interesting way to scale power across various leagues. However the video in this thread didn’t make the built in weapon look all that powerful - the titan killer it was advertised as. Wouldn’t Arthur just shrug that energy weapon off, unless this is strictly a Ming counter? Or is the weapon a new category like flame? It’s also not clear if the leech-like effect directs damage through the beam or if it just has no visual. It says it redirects to the one dealing damage so does that mean if you get focus fired by 4 opponents they each get immediate damage back to them equivalent to what they directed to Hawk? Too many unknowns for me to get a good feel for this thing yet. It does look very cool though!
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 13, 2020 22:45:36 GMT -5
I’m so buying five! If they weren’t all hiding in kiddies leagues I’d so be coming straight for all those idiots that complained about Ao Jun! Someone sounds butt-hurt. Most of the people who complained about Ao Jun are in Champions League btw. Come at us with all you've got, cause there's no OTHER way you can win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 22:55:32 GMT -5
I’m so buying five! If they weren’t all hiding in kiddies leagues I’d so be coming straight for all those idiots that complained about Ao Jun! Someone sounds butt-hurt. Most of the people who complained about Ao Jun are in Champions League btw. Come at us with all you've got, cause there's no OTHER way you can win. My butt’s not hurting, it’s laughing (drawn your own conclusions about the bad breath). And FYI, I play a single hanger of Mk1.12 gear. I regularly beat all green hangers with all they’ve got. There’s lots of OTHER ways I can, and do, win.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 13, 2020 23:31:58 GMT -5
Someone sounds butt-hurt. Most of the people who complained about Ao Jun are in Champions League btw. Come at us with all you've got, cause there's no OTHER way you can win. My butt’s not hurting, it’s laughing (drawn your own conclusions about the bad breath). And FYI, I play a single hanger of Mk1.12 gear. I regularly beat all green hangers with all they’ve got. There’s lots of OTHER ways I can, and do, win. Ew, you need to get that butt looked at. Butt's aren't supposed to be laughing. And yeah, winning isn't all that hard these days. Just gotta have as many top 10 bots in your hanger as possible. I remember back a year or two ago when I rocked into Champions League with a 1.9 hanger against all the 2.12 hangers. That's when I realised hanger levels hardly mattered...
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 13, 2020 23:37:56 GMT -5
It's not a titan Slayer.
As of now it's an Ao Jun pre nerf with a 500m electric 「fake pee place」 flying out of it's beak.
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Post by Shockwave on Jun 14, 2020 1:36:18 GMT -5
I don’t understand the sentiment of relief that something will dethrone Au Jun. If Au Jun was a menace won’t this be an even bigger menace? It's like how a real world revolution happens. People are so fed up with the current tyrant that they're willing to side with whoever to dethrone and execute him. It's only later people realise that the new leader is just as bad as the old one, and we wait for a new Revolution to occur so we can kill the new king as well. True, But I want to get killed by something different for a change.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 14, 2020 2:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 14, 2020 2:25:42 GMT -5
It's like how a real world revolution happens. People are so fed up with the current tyrant that they're willing to side with whoever to dethrone and execute him. It's only later people realise that the new leader is just as bad as the old one, and we wait for a new Revolution to occur so we can kill the new king as well. True, But I want to get killed by something different for a change. I'd rather not die at all lol.
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Post by Joopiter on Jun 14, 2020 4:39:10 GMT -5
I’ve logged several hours playing the Hawk, but fail to see how this is designed to be a titan killer. What it does excel at is killing everything but titans, it’s energy beam reaching 500m with auto-tracking being by far more powerful than Ao Jun’s Dragon Breath. It does mediocre damage to Ming and Kid, and is horrible against Arthur. May as well just run a Glacier Ao Jun with Death Mark. So, my conclusion about the current design is that Hawk is just a glorified Ao Jun and has to be played exactly the same. In a separate thread l》THE MACHINE《l says Hawk is well made and not OP. I disagree, because it does not perform the function of titan slayer it is supposedly built for, and when well played it is more OP than Ao Jun, especially when loaded with cryo weapons. What's unfortunate is that a lot the folks testing the hawk can't see far enough ahead to think about it at Mk2 Level 12. Sure it's pretty strong on the test server but maxed out on the live server it will be vaporizing anything not in phase shift or last stand activation. Although, I did find the Greek bots to work well versus it since the beam doesn't penetrate the Absorption shield. That could be the hawk's Achilles heal... ...greek ...achilles ......yep, bad.
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Post by nix on Jun 14, 2020 12:14:12 GMT -5
I don’t understand the sentiment of relief that something will dethrone Au Jun. If Au Jun was a menace won’t this be an even bigger menace? It is far too early to tell but it looks like it is less of a threat to non Titans than Ao Jun. It has to aim the built in weapon unlike Ao Jun. The built in weapon appears to do much less DPS at level 8 than Dragons Breath. The bot is unable to use its mounted weapons while making use of the built in weapon unlike Ao Jun. It looks to be the better Titan killer and in particular Kids and Ao Ming. Arthur still has a physical shield to get through making Ao Jun the better counter IMO. Why do you claim that Ao Jun inbuilt weapon does not have to be aimed? Have you ever played an Ao Jun or are you just sprouting nonsense?
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 14, 2020 14:23:29 GMT -5
It is far too early to tell but it looks like it is less of a threat to non Titans than Ao Jun. It has to aim the built in weapon unlike Ao Jun. The built in weapon appears to do much less DPS at level 8 than Dragons Breath. The bot is unable to use its mounted weapons while making use of the built in weapon unlike Ao Jun. It looks to be the better Titan killer and in particular Kids and Ao Ming. Arthur still has a physical shield to get through making Ao Jun the better counter IMO. Why do you claim that Ao Jun inbuilt weapon does not have to be aimed? Have you ever played an Ao Jun or are you just sprouting nonsense? The fact that it auto aims? Did it get changed or am I having Mandela effect moment? I seem to recall firing on reds with the mounted weapons the Dragon Breath doing it's own thing as soon as a red got within 350m. Having been on the receiving end Embers, Ingnighters, Blaze and Dragoon Breath many times the Dragon Breath never misses the way the other flamers do. As long as the cursor is on a red Dragon Breath auto tracks per my understanding.
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Post by nix on Jun 14, 2020 14:43:23 GMT -5
Why do you claim that Ao Jun inbuilt weapon does not have to be aimed? Have you ever played an Ao Jun or are you just sprouting nonsense? The fact that it auto aims? Did it get changed or am I having Mandela effect moment? I seem to recall firing on reds with the mounted weapons the Dragon Breath doing it's own thing as soon as a red got within 350m. Having been on the receiving end Embers, Ingnighters, Blaze and Dragoon Breath many times the Dragon Breath never misses the way the other flamers do. As long as the cursor is on a red Dragon Breath auto tracks per my understanding. It doesn’t and afaik never did. Inbuilt flame thrower is quite weak and in fact hard to use effectively unless you have Embers as main
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 14, 2020 15:27:14 GMT -5
The fact that it auto aims? Did it get changed or am I having Mandela effect moment? I seem to recall firing on reds with the mounted weapons the Dragon Breath doing it's own thing as soon as a red got within 350m. Having been on the receiving end Embers, Ingnighters, Blaze and Dragoon Breath many times the Dragon Breath never misses the way the other flamers do. As long as the cursor is on a red Dragon Breath auto tracks per my understanding. It doesn’t and afaik never did. Inbuilt flame thrower is quite weak and in fact hard to use effectively unless you have Embers as main Seems really strong to me for a free bult I'm weapon that levels with the bot. The burst DPS is real close to an Ember. That's a free Ember you don't even have to spend Ag to level. Talk about easy. Edit: this follows my experience being on the receiving end of various flamers and having ran my level 1 deathwings a few times (ages ago though)
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Post by nix on Jun 14, 2020 16:40:45 GMT -5
It doesn’t and afaik never did. Inbuilt flame thrower is quite weak and in fact hard to use effectively unless you have Embers as main Seems really strong to me for a free bult I'm weapon that levels with the bot. The burst DPS is real close to an Ember. That's a free Ember you don't even have to spend Ag to level. Talk about easy. Edit: this follows my experience being on the receiving end of various flamers and having ran my level 1 deathwings a few times (ages ago though) The Ao Jun in built weapon, shoots when your targetting rectangle is on a red within 350 meters. This means that you cannot lead your shot to match the target. Which makes it useless against a target moving at faster than crawl speed. I don’t know what these other posters are on about, but there is no such thing as “auto-aiming” here.
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Post by aaronc on Jun 14, 2020 19:52:11 GMT -5
I tried it. It's ok but like others said i couldn't really see how it was better at taking out Titans that Ao Jun. As mention above I found it particularly good at taking out other bots. My son played a few games as well and he said he didnt like it.
I felt so much like I was playing Transformers on the TS. Hawk and Nightingale equipped with the jump module. Activate the ability as you hit the peak of the jump. Pretty funny.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 14, 2020 19:56:17 GMT -5
What’s the damage mitigation on the Hawk? If there’s anything that will be dead, it’s the DR bots depending how strong the DRM is. Ao Jun is only brought on this discussion because it flies. Ao Jun should worry more about the Scorpion that can teleport to you where you land.
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Post by Mig-Am on Jun 14, 2020 20:04:45 GMT -5
What’s the damage mitigation on the Hawk? If there’s anything that will be dead, it’s the DR bots depending how strong the DRM is. Ao Jun is only brought on this discussion because it flies. Ao Jun should worry more about the Scorpion that can teleport to you where you land. This is what I was thinking (about DR bots). Also, sounds like Blitz will be in a hard place in a few months, with Scorpions teleporting while on cool down or Hawks flying in fast with the built in weapon eating through DR or the weak aegis shield.
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Post by Mig-Am on Jun 14, 2020 20:12:15 GMT -5
However I like the idea of making the built in weapon the combined power of the actual weapons or something like that (if it is really what they are doing). To make it a real titan killer I think it has to be fast and resistant in flight, but weak and slow on the ground. Maybe make the built in weapon do X + X% damages to titans and X - X% damages to normal bots. Then balance it with flight time and cool down time. (And kill it with Scorpions)
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 15, 2020 2:44:32 GMT -5
What’s the damage mitigation on the Hawk? If there’s anything that will be dead, it’s the DR bots depending how strong the DRM is. Ao Jun is only brought on this discussion because it flies. Ao Jun should worry more about the Scorpion that can teleport to you where you land. This is what I was thinking (about DR bots). Also, sounds like Blitz will be in a hard place in a few months, with Scorpions teleporting while on cool down or Hawks flying in fast with the built in weapon eating through DR or the weak aegis shield. That’s the first bot I thought about. Calamity Hawk will annihilate the Blitz. Leave it to Pixonic to sell the hell out of something and then offer an instant replacement.
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Post by TwoWords on Jun 15, 2020 7:03:38 GMT -5
I’ve logged several hours playing the Hawk, but fail to see how this is designed to be a titan killer. What it does excel at is killing everything but titans, it’s energy beam reaching 500m with auto-tracking being by far more powerful than Ao Jun’s Dragon Breath. It does mediocre damage to Ming and Kid, and is horrible against Arthur. May as well just run a Glacier Ao Jun with Death Mark. So, my conclusion about the current design is that Hawk is just a glorified Ao Jun and has to be played exactly the same. In a separate thread l》THE MACHINE《l says Hawk is well made and not OP. I disagree, because it does not perform the function of titan slayer it is supposedly built for, and when well played it is more OP than Ao Jun, especially when loaded with cryo weapons. What's unfortunate is that a lot the folks testing the hawk can't see far enough ahead to think about it at Mk2 Level 12. Sure it's pretty strong on the test server but maxed out on the live server it will be vaporizing anything not in phase shift or last stand activation. Although, I did find the Greek bots to work well versus it since the beam doesn't penetrate the Absorption shield. That could be the hawk's Achilles heal... ...greek ...achilles ......yep, bad. Legendary Pilot
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 15, 2020 8:03:26 GMT -5
i still can't find a good build for it.
IT MAYBE Dragoon Marquee, given that the Hawk is soft and has no DR when it lands. It just sits there and gets wiped the F out.
Ember Rime or Glacier Rime were fun until I landed.
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 15, 2020 10:23:09 GMT -5
FWIW, I really liked playing the Hawk on the TS. I felt like Galvatron from Transformers (he transforms into a flying cannon too). I didn't find the cannon to be that powerful. I didn't single salvo kill bots like I do with Ao Jun. Fast bots were able to get to cover, and tanky bots rode out the storm. I did manage to hit Titans a few times. Once, an Ao Ming looked like it was taking a lot of damage, but then, I was hitting it from 500m and it was likely someone else was hitting it at the same time. Another time, I was hitting an Ao Ming up close and it looked like I was just blistering the paint.
I do like the general direction Pix has been taking with new bots - ie, transformation. I'm a huge Transformers fan and I loved the War for Cybertron games. It really does feel like you're getting a two-for-one deal with bots like Nightingale and Hawk, where the two modes are distinctly different from each other and play much different from each other.
2H and 2L seems like a lot of firepower, but I died pretty fast on the ground when I tried to brawl with it. It doesn't have a lot of foot speed so it can't outmaneuver bots like the Phantom. If I get this on the live server, I'm pretty sure I'll slap Calamity/Spark on it. Or maybe even Dragoon/Marquess to keep it out of brawling range.
Flight speed was a ton of fun, and the cannon seemed to auto target. I would have prefered manual targeting just to make the bot more challenging to play. Besides, if you're main target is gonna be Titans, you can't really miss right?
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 15, 2020 10:27:51 GMT -5
i still can't find a good build for it. IT MAYBE Dragoon Marquee, given that the Hawk is soft and has no DR when it lands. It just sits there and gets wiped the F out. Ember Rime or Glacier Rime were fun until I landed. Lol, so you mean Ember Rime and Glacier Rime were fun to look at? Since those weapons can’t be used while in flight
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Post by Rockwelder on Jun 15, 2020 12:25:29 GMT -5
Suck bot..as in your wallet.
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Post by rags on Jun 15, 2020 13:45:10 GMT -5
Suck bot..as in your wallet. well hello there
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 15, 2020 19:25:28 GMT -5
i still can't find a good build for it. IT MAYBE Dragoon Marquee, given that the Hawk is soft and has no DR when it lands. It just sits there and gets wiped the F out. Ember Rime or Glacier Rime were fun until I landed. Lol, so you mean Ember Rime and Glacier Rime were fun to look at? Since those weapons can’t be used while in flight Yes I meant fun on ground and to see transform.
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