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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 4:49:55 GMT -5
  PIX really thinks weâre stupid. Considering I'm not going to purchase any more Spark, Scourge or Viper I'm not concerned with the increase in price in both Au and component prices. What bothers me is the increase of upgrades in both Ag and duration. They go up by 26% so during Upgrade Overdrive they are still 1% more expensive. 「wee-wee」s! Funny how Thermite, Exodus, Shocktrain, Corona and Glory are still 4% higher than the price during Upgrade Overdrive too. |
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Post by kingjames4 on Jun 8, 2020 6:16:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! It sucks that the spark and scourge are going to cost more to upgrade, but at least it's not a nerf to the damage. Does this mean we are safe and don't have to worry about it being nerfed in the future?
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Post by Zavratatar on Jun 8, 2020 7:08:59 GMT -5
I can't really find a way to do the math so that the new prices for upgrading fit into the existing group-classifications we have now. Asked about this on the discord but no answer about this yet. Cautiously stockpiling silver for now (after I finish my last scourge).
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 8, 2020 7:47:33 GMT -5
Have you seen the amount of spark and scourge being used these days? It is the heart of their statement “how a bot or weapon is performing in the current ecosystem”
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 8:00:54 GMT -5
Have you seen the amount of spark and scourge being used these days? It is the heart of their statement “how a bot or weapon is performing in the current ecosystem” Of course. Scourge is my medium weapon of choice. I've just begun to embrace Spark. Viper is my preferred build for Raijin. They've been givin' away Ivory Scourge like Tic Tacs. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 8, 2020 8:07:12 GMT -5
i've been using scourge and vipers for 1.5 years....hope there is no nerf.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 8, 2020 8:08:12 GMT -5
Well, but that’s my point, it’s not Pixonic doing anything shady. They’re just putting the weapon in line with its usage and performance. With the amount of taser builds out there, that could work it’s way into nerf territory, so this should slow things a bit in that regard
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 8:25:48 GMT -5
Well, but that’s my point, it’s not Pixonic doing anything shady. They’re just putting the weapon in line with its usage and performance. With the amount of taser builds out there, that could work it’s way into nerf territory, so this should slow things a bit in that regard It won’t change the usage, it just separates F2P from P2W and makes it just a little harder and more frustrating for F2P to compete. The only thing that changes weapon usage is a nerf/buff. PIX is just capitalizing on their popularity. |
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Post by Munki on Jun 8, 2020 8:28:09 GMT -5
Sucks for me as I have several Sparks and Scourges at very low level that I was going to upgrade in the near future. Does not look like I will have time to do them before they are treated as top tier equipment.
So for me, I'm kind of rooting for a nerf. But that is me just being selfish!
In a silver lining kind of way, this change aligns the Scourge and Spark with the Calamity in terms of upgrade time and cost. It was weird that this weapon family was not aligned in the past.
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Post by Overlordship on Jun 8, 2020 8:40:40 GMT -5
Does this mean we are safe and don't have to worry about it being nerfed in the future?  |
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 8, 2020 8:41:53 GMT -5
Well, but that’s my point, it’s not Pixonic doing anything shady. They’re just putting the weapon in line with its usage and performance. With the amount of taser builds out there, that could work it’s way into nerf territory, so this should slow things a bit in that regard It won’t change the usage, it just separates F2P from P2W and makes it just a little harder and more frustrating for F2P to compete. The only thing that changes weapon usage is a nerf/buff. PIX is just capitalizing on their popularity. I don’t see how p2w or f2p have anything to do with this when everyone has to pay the same amount for the weapon and wait the same amount of time to level it. After shotgun rebalance, spark scourge usage went thru the roof. This will certainly slow things down as it will take longer to get it into hangars. |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 9:17:12 GMT -5
It won’t change the usage, it just separates F2P from P2W and makes it just a little harder and more frustrating for F2P to compete. The only thing that changes weapon usage is a nerf/buff. PIX is just capitalizing on their popularity. I don’t see how p2w or f2p have anything to do with this when everyone has to pay the same amount for the weapon and wait the same amount of time to level it. After shotgun rebalance, spark scourge usage went thru the roof. This will certainly slow things down as it will take longer to get it into hangars. P2W buys Au to rush upgrades and buys Ag to pay for the upgrades while F2P spends their time grinding for it. Haven't you noticed the fully maxed new content the day it's released in event chest no less? The same content takes months for F2P and by that time it's supplanted by the next thing. Increasing Ag required and time to complete increases the time it takes for F2P to get that item leveled because it takes even longer to earn that Ag and takes more game play to earn the ads to reduce the upgrade time. Sorry to have to spell it out. |
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 8, 2020 9:26:42 GMT -5
I don’t see how p2w or f2p have anything to do with this when everyone has to pay the same amount for the weapon and wait the same amount of time to level it. After shotgun rebalance, spark scourge usage went thru the roof. This will certainly slow things down as it will take longer to get it into hangars. P2W buys Au to rush upgrades and buys Ag to pay for the upgrades while F2P spends their time grinding for it. Haven't you noticed the fully maxed new content the day it's released in event chest no less? The same content takes months for F2P and by that time it's supplanted by the next thing. Increasing Ag required and time to complete increases the time it takes for F2P to get that item leveled because it takes even longer to earn that Ag and takes more game play to earn the ads to reduce the upgrade time. Sorry to have to spell it out. The weapons have simply moved up a tier because of their usage. Players who were going to pay to rush thru this we’re still going to do that. And this change hasn’t removed the ability to acquire or level any of these weapons. If left alone, these weapons were most certainly headed for a nerf. I won’t counter with any snarky comment back. Sorry you feel this is some knock on the player base when in actuality it’s preventing a total rebalance and then making things worse... |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 9:46:22 GMT -5
P2W buys Au to rush upgrades and buys Ag to pay for the upgrades while F2P spends their time grinding for it. Haven't you noticed the fully maxed new content the day it's released in event chest no less? The same content takes months for F2P and by that time it's supplanted by the next thing. Increasing Ag required and time to complete increases the time it takes for F2P to get that item leveled because it takes even longer to earn that Ag and takes more game play to earn the ads to reduce the upgrade time. Sorry to have to spell it out. The weapons have simply moved up a tier because of their usage. Players who were going to pay to rush thru this we’re still going to do that. And this change hasn’t removed the ability to acquire or level any of these weapons. If left alone, these weapons were most certainly headed for a nerf. I won’t counter with any snarky comment back. Sorry you feel this is some knock on the player base when in actuality it’s preventing a total rebalance and then making things worse... If past actions are any indication, It's not preventing a nerf but delaying one. I don't see it as a knock on the player base, but a not so subtle message. |
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Post by seanh on Jun 8, 2020 9:55:07 GMT -5
Folks, I think we are all in the same boat, (paddling upstream, unfortunately). There are however different ways of looking at it.
I would agree that this is the lesser of two evils. If they did not do this the bottom three weapons on that list would have been nerfed. So yeah, its probably better than that.
But as was pointed out very well in a recent thread on be completive on a modest budget, it is possible through smart choices to construct a hanger that is able to be competitive at the highest level (or whatever level you choose to play) against hangers that have far more resources poured into them. I think three of the smartest of those choices are now getting more expensive, meaning its a little bit harder to stay competitive.
My inner Cynic (I should really stop listening to that guy), also thinks that between the recent nerfs, new additions to the meta and prospective updates people were turning to those wepons in increasing number over the new energy machine guns. I think in the near future those weapons will get a slight buff (perhaps on the overheat spread as opposed to damage) and then they will be the next must have loadout.
I am also a little surprised that there aren't other on that list. Pew, pew, pew. |
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Post by integeritis on Jun 8, 2020 9:55:24 GMT -5
Never used Scourge type weapons. I only reached 10k comps of my first scourge and spark 2 months ago. I could run a taser Gareth I guess lol I wanted to make my aphex hover a taser hover by time, this won’t change my plan.
These are great changes overall IMO. I’ve been an advocate of adjusting the upgrade price and acquisition cost of the dash or many underperforming high value bots for a long time now. I am adding Weyland, Mender and Mercury to my bots to build list.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Jun 8, 2020 9:57:14 GMT -5
What does this mean in the example of Bulgasari, old price 14k, new price -  Will it become a silver bot lol? |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -5
seanh: It’s called misdirection.  |
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Post by Desc440 on Jun 8, 2020 10:36:44 GMT -5
Can't ever just give us a break, eh? jfc
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Post by Desc440 on Jun 8, 2020 10:37:15 GMT -5
What does this mean in the example of Bulgasari, old price 14k, new price - Will it become a silver bot lol? I think it means no change. |
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Post by Garbage game on Jun 8, 2020 12:09:08 GMT -5
PIX really thinks weâ??re stupid. Considering I'm not going to purchase any more Spark, Scourge or Viper I'm not concerned with the increase in price in both Au and component prices. What bothers me is the increase of upgrades in both Ag and duration. They go up by 26% so during Upgrade Overdrive they are still 1% more expensive. ?wee-wee?s! Funny how Thermite, Exodus, Shocktrain, Corona and Glory are still 4% higher than the price during Upgrade Overdrive too. The Scourge and Spark increases are a kick in the teeth, but I thought the other weapons are getting cheaper to upgrade unless I’m reading this wrong |
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Post by oncethedevil3 on Jun 8, 2020 12:23:23 GMT -5
I don’t see how p2w or f2p have anything to do with this when everyone has to pay the same amount for the weapon and wait the same amount of time to level it. After shotgun rebalance, spark scourge usage went thru the roof. This will certainly slow things down as it will take longer to get it into hangars. P2W buys Au to rush upgrades and buys Ag to pay for the upgrades while F2P spends their time grinding for it. Haven't you noticed the fully maxed new content the day it's released in event chest no less? The same content takes months for F2P and by that time it's supplanted by the next thing. Increasing Ag required and time to complete increases the time it takes for F2P to get that item leveled because it takes even longer to earn that Ag and takes more game play to earn the ads to reduce the upgrade time. Sorry to have to spell it out. This! A million times this. |
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Post by hicycles on Jun 8, 2020 15:01:20 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this. My plan was originally to upgrade embers and igniter, and then scourge/spark. I guess I'm going to do this the other way around...
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Post by 7Chandrian on Jun 8, 2020 15:15:13 GMT -5
The scourge spark is pretty brutal, but I just wanted more affordable Carnage and Rhino for 6pack.
I'm used to disappointment though.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jun 8, 2020 16:14:43 GMT -5
Never used Scourge type weapons. I only reached 10k comps of my first scourge and spark 2 months ago. I could run a taser Gareth I guess lol I wanted to make my aphex hover a taser hover by time, this won’t change my plan. These are great changes overall IMO. I’ve been an advocate of adjusting the upgrade price and acquisition cost of the dash or many underperforming high value bots for a long time now. I am adding Weyland, Mender and Mercury to my bots to build list. Try avenger shredders on the mercury, also use damage modules because they increase the damage of the jump as well as the weapons. |
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Post by seanh on Jun 8, 2020 17:36:16 GMT -5
I just had a random thought.
Does this affect the Ag price you get when you melt down old stuff? Not sure how that 'scrap value' is calculated but I do have a lot of old junk I was keeping in storage until I was stuck for Ag. If it does affect it, I'll start melting it down early.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 18:06:45 GMT -5
So my question...what to do with my lvl 10 Scouges? Raising them to MK2 before the deadline is not going to happen (cost of 80 million), yet afterwards it becomes 100 million.
Sell for cheap? Use and be at an even larger disadvantage Against the MK2 steroid mechs out there...
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Post by Mig-Am on Jun 8, 2020 19:27:22 GMT -5
My understanding is Pixonic will rebalance weapons being used by "too many players" with a nerf. Assuming newer content is somewhat protected (ie : freeze to rockets) and recently nerfed weapons get a break (Avengers), that basically leaves us with Scourge -Sparks and maybe Igniter-Blazes for the next nerf(s).
I'm not surprised they make these equipment more expensive to obtain and level up. Maybe that will delay the nerf, maybe less people will be disappointed when the nerf hits. From the shotgun nerf, I learned to keep my equipment varied. I just hope they leave Schreeders alone for a bit.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 8, 2020 19:32:22 GMT -5
PIX really thinks weâ??re stupid. Considering I'm not going to purchase any more Spark, Scourge or Viper I'm not concerned with the increase in price in both Au and component prices. What bothers me is the increase of upgrades in both Ag and duration. They go up by 26% so during Upgrade Overdrive they are still 1% more expensive. ?wee-wee?s! Funny how Thermite, Exodus, Shocktrain, Corona and Glory are still 4% higher than the price during Upgrade Overdrive too. The Scourge and Spark increases are a kick in the teeth, but I thought the other weapons are getting cheaper to upgrade unless I’m reading this wrong The reason they're picking on Scourge and Spark is that everyone uses them. The only positive for me is the discount on Glory upgrades since I don't use ANY of the other discounted items and I already have the bots that are being reduced in price. |
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Post by T34 on Jun 9, 2020 4:30:33 GMT -5
i've been using scourge and vipers for 1.5 years....hope there is no nerf. This move will reduce the chances of a nerf because it removes the incentive for many to level them. Good for those who have em but bad for those who don’t. Reasonable weapons will cost more or less the same so better to go with newer ones. It is also a price increase. |
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