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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 2, 2020 12:39:06 GMT -5
Now is the time to get ready, especially if you are in Expert, Master, or Champion leagues. Scorpion is going to appear pretty quickly in multiples within hangars and squads. My suggestions below will obviously be helpful for more than counter-Scorpion. The reasoning underpinning this is that ‘the more durable your equipment, the longer you last; the longer you last, the more combat effective you can be’! Even if you max your weaponry, if your mechs aren’t durable, they won’t survive long enough to take full advantage of high level weaponry!
Build as much durability into your hangar as possible:
Modules:
- Maxed Armor Kits, or
- Heavy Armor Kits
- Battleborne
- Disguise Unit
- Max Last Stand
- Phase Shift
- Advance Repair Unit
- Plated Armor Kits
- Upgrade Titan Hulls
Pilot Skills:
- Armor Expert
- Tough Guy
- Dodger & Foolhardy Quartermaster (the more often phase shift or advanced repair unit is available, the easier to counter multiple Scorpion assaults)
- Invulnerable Raider
- Adamant Guardian
- Deft Survivor and so on.....
Robots:
- Upgrade your robots as high as possible
- Those with high hp or damage resistance are optimal
- Mechs like Strider and Haechi can evade pretty well
- Ravana (no explanation needed)
- Stealth mechs
The above suggestions is based on extensive exploration in beta of Scorpion and counter-Scorpion builds and tactics.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 2, 2020 13:10:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the above ѻﻭɼﻉ. The Scorpion is gonna make things interesting. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 2, 2020 13:21:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the above ѻﻭɼﻉ. The Scorpion is gonna make things interesting. For sure. This last weekend in beta they reduced the ability range to 350m. This created more balanced gameplay compared to the 500m. It was still nuts, but even from the point of view of running the Scorpion I found it much more dynamic and enjoyable to play because it made your tactics more challenging. So hopefully they’ll keep the ability range 350m or less |
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 2, 2020 13:31:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the above ѻﻭɼﻉ . The Scorpion is gonna make things interesting. For sure. This last weekend in beta they reduced the ability range to 350m. This created more balanced gameplay compared to the 500m. It was still nuts, but even from the point of view of running the Scorpion I found it much more dynamic and enjoyable to play because it made your tactics more challenging. So hopefully they’ll keep the ability range 350m or less |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 2, 2020 13:35:13 GMT -5
350 is promising indeed.
Takes it from being the next reason to quit (or the next reason to talk about quitting while ranting and raving) to being a possible fun addition... in my mind, anyway.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 2, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -5
The scorpion is too cool of a name for this bot. I want to name it the cucumber. The rest of us are cats. How will YOU respond to the cucumber when it comes for you???
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Post by rags on Jun 2, 2020 14:11:16 GMT -5
appreciate the insight but either u ready for it or not. 99% of ppl can’t just change their hangar on the spot. some of the things u listed take months to complete.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 2, 2020 14:28:41 GMT -5
appreciate the insight but either u ready for it or not. 99% of ppl can’t just change their hangar on the spot. some of the things u listed take months to complete. That's true, but it will likely be a top bot for months, so beginning to work towards those goals now and gradually getting better/more prepared is better than not. The info is the info. Do with it what you will. Additionally, some of these things are achievable now. You might not have a group of maxed Heavy Armor Kit units, but you can switch over to some maxed basic armor kits. Every little bit helps. You can re-roll pilot skills for relatively cheap too to add things like Invulnerable raider on existing pilots. Something is better than nothing. |
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Post by ismsean on Jun 2, 2020 14:31:22 GMT -5
Its going to be nothing but Ravs, Scorps and [Nightingales] soon. Good times.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 2, 2020 15:30:04 GMT -5
Its going to be nothing but Ravs, Scorps and Nightingales soon. Good times. and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -5
Its going to be nothing but Ravs, Scorps and Nightingales soon. Good times. and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention Well, with all due respect...u til I stop getting wins, I am gonna run my Raven, my 2 Tyrs, Fenrir, Invader, and Haichi. Earned 2200 cups last month...gotta be doing something right. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 2, 2020 15:58:21 GMT -5
and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention Well, with all due respect...u til I stop getting wins, I am gonna run my Raven, my 2 Tyrs, Fenrir, Invader, and Haichi. Earned 2200 cups last month...gotta be doing something right. yep, my extra mentions were by no means exhaustive |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 16:10:35 GMT -5
Well, with all due respect...u til I stop getting wins, I am gonna run my Raven, my 2 Tyrs, Fenrir, Invader, and Haichi. Earned 2200 cups last month...gotta be doing something right. yep, my extra mentions were by no means exhaustive No disrespect intended. Just seems that lots of players dismiss those mechs, and I am using them as the core of my two hangers. Now, I am running. Jun, T-Fal, and a Nightingale, but those mech are doing well. Having said that...hoping to win a Scorpion in some contest |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 2, 2020 17:03:25 GMT -5
Its going to be nothing but Ravs, Scorps and Nightingales soon. Good times. and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention : Hey Rollo! Do you see that? I KNEW Dad loved me more. Sorry. Deal. |
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Post by mechtout on Jun 2, 2020 17:34:51 GMT -5
Im building phantoms to jump off cliffs at 351m ?
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Post by Mig-Am on Jun 2, 2020 18:40:31 GMT -5
(...) The above suggestions is based on extensive exploration in beta of Scorpion and counter-Scorpion builds and tactics. Do you see Scorpion has an early and/or mid and/or late game bot (in BR and in Dom) ? I usually go Phantom-Fenrir-Bulwark-Arthur-Tyr (with a second Bulwark that rarely see gameplay outside of Yam and Canyon). Depending of when we will see Scorpion in game, I may want to adjust my modules accordingly. For example Phantom with Last Stand-AC-TNK now works great has an opener to raid beacons (that was your suggestion a few weeks ago, thanks). And I might want to keep Quantum Radar on my late game Tyr to lock down AJs trying to burn Arthurs and taking care of Lokis (witch I see less lately). So if we don't see much Scorpions early and late game, I might keep my TNK and Quantum Radar respectively (instead of Heavy Armor Kit and Phase Shift). Thank you again. |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 2, 2020 18:55:35 GMT -5
yep, my extra mentions were by no means exhaustive No disrespect intended. Â Just seems that lots of players dismiss those mechs, and I am using them as the core of my two hangers. Â Now, I am running. Jun, T-Fal, and a Nightingale, but those mech are doing well. Having said that...hoping to win a Scorpion in some contest You can run almost any bot in Champions League and still find success. Winning isn't the issue (you will always manage to win roughly half your games), the main issue is the fun factor. Being forced to fight robots 5x stronger than yours every game really gets frustrating eventually. I doubt you would ever fall out of Champions League or lose too many games with your hanger. But I think the bull「dookie」 of fighting robots with ridiculous abilities (compared to yours) will really start to grind on you. |
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 2, 2020 18:56:59 GMT -5
Other than the 350m teleport range nerf (thank God), has there been any other changes to the bot in terms of DR, cooldown, speed, etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 22:01:24 GMT -5
No disrespect intended. Â Just seems that lots of players dismiss those mechs, and I am using them as the core of my two hangers. Â Now, I am running. Jun, T-Fal, and a Nightingale, but those mech are doing well. Having said that...hoping to win a Scorpion in some contest You can run almost any bot in Champions League and still find success. Winning isn't the issue (you will always manage to win roughly half your games), the main issue is the fun factor. Being forced to fight robots 5x stronger than yours every game really gets frustrating eventually. I doubt you would ever fall out of Champions League or lose too many games with your hanger. But I think the bull?dookie? of fighting robots with ridiculous abilities (compared to yours) will really start to grind on you. It could...hasn’t yet. Realizing that making my units tougher takes away a lot of the angst from dealing with Ares/Leech/Jun...not to mention my #1 hanger is nothing but Quantum Radar...LOL |
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Post by Overlordship on Jun 2, 2020 22:12:04 GMT -5
Winning isn't the issue (you will always manage to win roughly half your games), the main issue is the fun factor. Being forced to fight robots 5x stronger than yours every game really gets frustrating eventually. I doubt you would ever fall out of Champions League or lose too many games with your hanger. But I think the bull?dookie? of fighting robots with ridiculous abilities (compared to yours) will really start to grind on you. ^^^^^^^ Exactly the problem. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 2, 2020 22:50:54 GMT -5
(...) The above suggestions is based on extensive exploration in beta of Scorpion and counter-Scorpion builds and tactics. Do you see Scorpion has an early and/or mid and/or late game bot (in BR and in Dom) ? I usually go Phantom-Fenrir-Bulwark-Arthur-Tyr (with a second Bulwark that rarely see gameplay outside of Yam and Canyon). Depending of when we will see Scorpion in game, I may want to adjust my modules accordingly. For example Phantom with Last Stand-AC-TNK now works great has an opener to raid beacons (that was your suggestion a few weeks ago, thanks). And I might want to keep Quantum Radar on my late game Tyr to lock down AJs trying to burn Arthurs and taking care of Lokis (witch I see less lately). So if we don't see much Scorpions early and late game, I might keep my TNK and Quantum Radar respectively (instead of Heavy Armor Kit and Phase Shift). Thank you again. This is my opinion, and it will somewhat depend on how many Scorpions people have in their hangar, but, 1) It will definitely be used often as first drop due to the advantage of ambushing an opponent as they enter or approach their first beacon. In fact, on certain maps such as Moon, I can see a priority tactic being to ignore home beacon to multi-ambush opponents at their own home beacons before returning to grab ones own 2) Some people will use it as unexpected mid-match assassin to thin out the opponents 3) Some may use it as late game to thin out the opponents regular mechs who support their titans and maintain beacon control. I don’t really see it being used to surprise attack titans unless people have multiple Scorpions in hangar. If it is used to counter titans, the tactics will need to be careful. For example, you wanna rocket ambush an Arthur, but your arrival places you nearly point blank, so you’ll want to wait until you see that Arthur use Blastwave before ambushing. In beta, I didn’t like it to counter Titans, but, I did have five Scorpions in hangar, so I mainly focused on eliminating their regular mechs, and did what I could against titans |
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Post by Grrrega on Jun 2, 2020 23:23:47 GMT -5
I plan on standing on the edge of bridges, cliffs, ledges with my back against the void. :]
What happens if your back is against a wall and scorpion teleports to you? Does it teleport in front of you than? Is it facing towards you or away from you if that is the case?
Jumping module makes some sense now...
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 3, 2020 6:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by seanh on Jun 3, 2020 7:12:22 GMT -5
1) It will definitely be used often as first drop due to the advantage of ambushing an opponent as they enter or approach their first beacon. In fact, on certain maps such as Moon, I can see a priority tactic being to ignore home beacon to multi-ambush opponents at their own home beacons before returning to grab ones own
I had not thought of that, but does this mean the on smaller maps in BR there will be some savage spawn raids? As soon as the first blue caps home, six scorpions teleport in? And I suppose regardless of BR a high level squad could decimate weaker opponents very quickly if they all teleport to the same spot as they the weaker team advance. Thinking of perhaps carrier, as the team make there way down the deck six scorpions appear around the lead blue?
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Post by cheap on Jun 3, 2020 7:30:27 GMT -5
thing is those that will run Scorpions in multiples have everything on that list you made out, either all MK2 maxed or going into MK2 upgrade range.
still though i look foward to trying to Figure out how to beat them with the Gear i run now.
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Post by ismsean on Jun 3, 2020 9:25:22 GMT -5
Its going to be nothing but Ravs, Scorps and Nightingales soon. Good times. and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention I enjoy seeing the full gauntlet of bots available in War Robots, but in SOME higher Champions League clans, I do not see the variety you mentioned. Not to argue, but is was like when Ares came out, full hanger, then the Leech, now Ravs. It is hard to fend off wave after wave Ravs, i.e, remember the days of the purple bubbles. Maybe in a different thread, but I would love for folks to share tactics used to defeat Ravs. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 3, 2020 9:47:18 GMT -5
and Blitz and Loki and Ao Juns and Fenrirs and Traditionalist Falcons and Phantoms and Leeches....I disagree we’ll only see those three you mention I enjoy seeing the full gauntlet of bots available in War Robots, but in SOME higher Champions League clans, I do not see the variety you mentioned. Not to argue, but is was like when Ares came out, full hanger, then the Leech, now Ravs. It is hard to fend off wave after wave Ravs, i.e, remember the days of the purple bubbles. Maybe in a different thread, but I would love for folks to share tactics used to defeat Ravs. Sure, there are a few clans that have 3+ Ravanas in every squad members hangar, but not many. Two things that do really well against Ravana: - Scourge class weapons - Shredder Blitz with slight stagger of shots for a constant rate of fire - Count down their ability duration every time it activates so you know exactly when to fire. Sometimes they reactivate instantly or activate phase shift, but counting down is really helpful for landing hits |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 3, 2020 9:54:33 GMT -5
Ravana is a PitA, but not like lame-o Ares trains. I'm glad those days are over. The Scorpion may very well be popular but I'll have no more than one. "Never over-invest in any War Robots bot."
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Post by schrotter on Jun 3, 2020 12:16:39 GMT -5
appreciate the insight but either u ready for it or not. 99% of ppl can’t just change their hangar on the spot. some of the things u listed take months to complete. That's true, but it will likely be a top bot for months, so beginning to work towards those goals now and gradually getting better/more prepared is better than not. The info is the info. Do with it what you will. Additionally, some of these things are achievable now. You might not have a group of maxed Heavy Armor Kit units, but you can switch over to some maxed basic armor kits. Every little bit helps. You can re-roll pilot skills for relatively cheap too to add things like Invulnerable raider on existing pilots. Something is better than nothing. alternative proposal: Imagine Pixonic releases the Scorpion but no one is running it. Problem solved. ... a man can dream. |
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 3, 2020 12:45:45 GMT -5
That's true, but it will likely be a top bot for months, so beginning to work towards those goals now and gradually getting better/more prepared is better than not. The info is the info. Do with it what you will. Additionally, some of these things are achievable now. You might not have a group of maxed Heavy Armor Kit units, but you can switch over to some maxed basic armor kits. Every little bit helps. You can re-roll pilot skills for relatively cheap too to add things like Invulnerable raider on existing pilots. Something is better than nothing. alternative proposal: Imagine Pixonic releases the Scorpion but no one is running it. Problem solved. ... a man can dream.  |
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