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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Jun 1, 2020 22:38:55 GMT -5
Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ Great list. Typo here I think: “As far as Titans go, Nodens has changed the landscape fairly dramatically. While Nodens is the killing machine a Ming can be and doesn't hold ground like an Arthur it is still flatly the best support unit in the game capable of turning even mid level titans into unstoppable forces.” Should be “isn’t” Also I agree with nix I love my Mender, but there are other bots more deserving of the spot. A maxed Tyr with Quantum Radar and lockdown can follow Arthurs into battle and AMs will have difficulty taking them out due to the shield. Quantum Radar helps them fight AJs that swarm the Arthur too. Lockdown forces landings in bad positions fir death farts Typo fixed, thanks. Tyr is total garbage in my opinion, if any bot is determined to take a Tyr out it’s going to happen. Extremely weak to high DPS and splash, both of which this meta has in spades. Any bot can be functional when played to the best of its abilities, unfortunately Tyr is relegated to shadowing things in hopes they can protect it. You think so? I run my maxed Tyr with Sigrun at 70. With the right pilot skills, it's a total monster that burns Arthurs to the ground with Rime/Igniters. It's also especially effective at burning tanks to the ground, and with an ARK in tow in can duel a Ravana for a short time
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Post by aaronc on Jun 1, 2020 22:44:01 GMT -5
I have only half a toe in the top 10! I won a Ravana but its currently only level 5. I have none of the others in my line up! I do have the Blitz but never had heaps of luck with it. With the new pilot is will be a gun. I've got to say that dealing with a single Ravana isnt too bad, but when they come in groups they are tedious! Can't wait to join in I currently have 4225 Nightingale comps and the pilot. Might need to start baking one.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Jun 1, 2020 23:18:37 GMT -5
Maybe it's my failing memory but weren't you recently very high on Hades, Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ? What happened? P.s., I never liked them anyways Previously it was 7 or 8 on the list. Ravana happened, basically. It’s really easy for a Ravana to ghost an entire retribution shield and be in a position to drop a Greek bot to last stand or dead without much fear of return fire.
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Post by Garbage game on Jun 1, 2020 23:45:37 GMT -5
Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ Great list. Typo here I think: “As far as Titans go, Nodens has changed the landscape fairly dramatically. While Nodens is the killing machine a Ming can be and doesn't hold ground like an Arthur it is still flatly the best support unit in the game capable of turning even mid level titans into unstoppable forces.” Should be “isn’t” Also I agree with nix I love my Mender, but there are other bots more deserving of the spot. A maxed Tyr with Quantum Radar and lockdown can follow Arthurs into battle and AMs will have difficulty taking them out due to the shield. Quantum Radar helps them fight AJs that swarm the Arthur too. Lockdown forces landings in bad positions fir death farts Typo fixed, thanks. Tyr is total garbage in my opinion, if any bot is determined to take a Tyr out it’s going to happen. Extremely weak to high DPS and splash, both of which this meta has in spades. Any bot can be functional when played to the best of its abilities, unfortunately Tyr is relegated to shadowing things in hopes they can protect it. In that vein, how does Mender fare when Titans start dropping then? I'd take a physical shield over DR since most the time plasma just pushes my health from most full to Last Stand. With Clever Survivor being bypassed completely Tyr can hide behind fatboi and rely on him to block the rockets. But I will concede that it is like a budget Nodens with lockdown and Quantum Radar capabilities.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Jun 2, 2020 0:01:36 GMT -5
Typo fixed, thanks. Tyr is total garbage in my opinion, if any bot is determined to take a Tyr out it’s going to happen. Extremely weak to high DPS and splash, both of which this meta has in spades. Any bot can be functional when played to the best of its abilities, unfortunately Tyr is relegated to shadowing things in hopes they can protect it. In that vein, how does Mender fare when Titans start dropping then? I'd take a physical shield over DR since most the time plasma just pushes my health from most full to Last Stand. With Clever Survivor being bypassed completely Tyr can hide behind fatboi and rely on him to block the rockets. But I will concede that it is like a budget Nodens with lockdown and Quantum Radar capabilities. It’s not great but not terrible, with true ace and modules you can still get deft survivor and tick up the healing twice. It’s ok to plant a mender under titans too, but the Tyr style healing is better for the fat boys. My game plan against Titans is to keep some distance and try to flank and force them to react or move sideways or back.
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Post by ironstar on Jun 2, 2020 1:20:05 GMT -5
A delightful read as always mate. I don't have much to add on the bots side of things; when playing top level games I hardly ever see anything outside of the top-7 in your ranking anyway (and hardly any Phantoms), so not for me to say which bots belong on ranks 8-10. Weapon meta, I agree on as well. I would personally put the redeemers a bit higher, but my opinion is probably a bit colored from my own experiences of playing the redeemer Ao Jun. I have the anti-stealth 1st wave role in clan battles and often have to force myself to ditch the bot after 5 minutes and multiple kills.
The most interesting development in my opinion has been on the Titan front. In my humble opinion the Arthur is now the dominant bot and machine guns are now hugely popular, and I think it owes to a combination of three things.
1) The natural progression of F2P and low level spenders (especially with the extra platinum income from Operations).
It seemed like almost all the spenders opted for the Plasma Ming for obvious reasons when Titans got released and subsequently buffed. The combination of the highest possible firepower (even more so with three AMRs) and the superior range meant that this Titan would dominate above all else and the spenders were very quick to realize this. During the winter and early spring we would always see six Plasma Mings from the enemy team when playing the top level teams. At that time my Arthur was still relatively low level, my weapons were not maxed and I had no levelled modules. Maxed fully kitted Plasma Mings were free to just fly towards me with impunity until they hovered above my head and fired above my shield to kill me in one salvo. This has changed. Big time. My Arthur is still relatively low level (~50) but my machine guns are maxed and I have a maxed AMR (planning to get a 2nd for the universal slot). Whenever a maxed Ming tries this method against me now, I will absolutely shred him to pieces. He will not even get close enough to hit over my shield which, by the way, has now also increased in strength considerably and does not break easily even against maxed Plasma weapons. I don't think anybody realized at the time how powerful machine guns are, because no one was running them maxed. Every spender wanted the range and high burst damage of the plasmas. But the stats don't lie. The machine guns have the highest damage potential and coupled with an extra 50% damage to Arthur shields they are now proliferating in high level battles. I'm even starting to see machine gun Mings in top level games which were unheard of only a few months ago.
2) The platform merger
The platform merge has been a godsent in terms of freshing up the game and shaking up the Titan meta. The particular pioneers I am thinking of here is the Russian iOS clan Ci4. When the strongest Android clans were all running five or six plasma Mings these guys were bringing four maxed machine gun Arthurs. And absolutely nothing could stop their mid game pushes. The Mings just could not stand their ground against such a push and would be bullied off the centre beacon. They only way to counter this was to bring Arthurs of your own. These days you usually don't see more than 2-3 Mings and sometimes even less than that. Mostly they are exclusively used for their ability to quickly get into flanking positions to back up the Arthur push and to deliver quick burst damage to regular bots, in particular Ravanas.
3) The introduction of the Nodens
The Nodens makes an already strong Arthur into a ridiculously strong Arthur allowing it to fight on long after it would have normally gone down. No shield? No problem. Even after the shield has been cracked the Nodens will heal back 35% of your health pool every time it heals you. Combined that with an Arthur sporting 1m+ HP and high resistance and its a match made in heaven. Again Ci4 were on the forefront here by introducing a two Nodens, two Arthur push that was almost impossible to deal with. The Nodens are usually equipped with Ruptures for dealing direct damage to enemy Arthurs or Retaliators to help break enemy Arthur shields.
A final word on the Self-fix module. In it's current version I don't think it is worth it to opt for one over a plated armor. You will need two minutes of uninterrupted full-tilt healing before it breaks even with the increased HP from a plated armor. Nightinggales or Nodens will do a much better job. IMO.
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Post by seanh on Jun 2, 2020 4:50:20 GMT -5
Clive Blitz happened too. The Greek bots are my favourite thing to hunt down in the Blitz, they have modest HP and really rely on the shield. The Blitz can get in the shield and end them really fast.
ironstar, don't tell them that, its a secret! I maxed my Vengeance and have two Antimatters at 15 each. Mings are dropping like flies. Thinks on whether to stick with the retaliators or do some sort of combo build with the rocket Beta? Will probably stick with the beta machine guns, they are good and its the quickest path to a maxed loadout.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Jun 2, 2020 10:05:48 GMT -5
Typo fixed, thanks. Tyr is total garbage in my opinion, if any bot is determined to take a Tyr out it’s going to happen. Extremely weak to high DPS and splash, both of which this meta has in spades. Any bot can be functional when played to the best of its abilities, unfortunately Tyr is relegated to shadowing things in hopes they can protect it. Great post. My current hanger in low Champion is Viper Ao Jun, Redeemer T-Falcon, full leadhose Fenrir, Pulsar Nemesis, and Igniter Magnum Mender. I have Ardent Blitz and Ancient Tyr. Since I won a second Igniter I was thinking of replacing my Mender with Ancient Tyr to get more speed, durability, and firepower. Mender is level 10 with mk 2 Level 4 Igniter and mk 2 Level 12 Magnums. Is it still a good idea? Being silver and weapons poor I was going to run Magnums on Ardent Blitz. Is that a reasonable less than meta build? My Nemesis is lvl 11 with lvl 11 Pulsars and I run it as mid range support late and especially in TDM. It works well vs Titans. Is it still worth upgrading? My replacement would be the Ardent Blitz. Thanks I I think the Mender is better than the Tyr. Magnums are pretty bad, maybe keep them as a placeholder and work towards replacing them. Depends on if you want a second blitz... none of the weapons overlap so thats a lot of leveled equipment to put in the closet.
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Post by hi5 on Jun 2, 2020 12:00:00 GMT -5
This a is a really, really insightful thread from both OP and others.
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Post by [WÎČK] Cap’nAHAB on Jun 2, 2020 12:11:30 GMT -5
Outstanding as usual sir. Confirms what I see out there. “See you on the battlefield commanders”!
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Post by ironstar on Jun 2, 2020 13:51:05 GMT -5
Clive Blitz happened too. The Greek bots are my favourite thing to hunt down in the Blitz, they have modest HP and really rely on the shield. The Blitz can get in the shield and end them really fast.
ironstar, don't tell them that, its a secret! I maxed my Vengeance and have two Antimatters at 15 each. Mings are dropping like flies. Thinks on whether to stick with the retaliators or do some sort of combo build with the rocket Beta? Will probably stick with the beta machine guns, they are good and its the quickest path to a maxed loadout.
Stick and twist mate.
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Post by rags on Jun 2, 2020 13:57:11 GMT -5
Great post. My current hanger in low Champion is Viper Ao Jun, Redeemer T-Falcon, full leadhose Fenrir, Pulsar Nemesis, and Igniter Magnum Mender. I have Ardent Blitz and Ancient Tyr. Since I won a second Igniter I was thinking of replacing my Mender with Ancient Tyr to get more speed, durability, and firepower. Mender is level 10 with mk 2 Level 4 Igniter and mk 2 Level 12 Magnums. Is it still a good idea? Being silver and weapons poor I was going to run Magnums on Ardent Blitz. Is that a reasonable less than meta build? My Nemesis is lvl 11 with lvl 11 Pulsars and I run it as mid range support late and especially in TDM. It works well vs Titans. Is it still worth upgrading? My replacement would be the Ardent Blitz. Thanks I I think the Mender is better than the Tyr. Magnums are pretty bad, maybe keep them as a placeholder and work towards replacing them. Depends on if you want a second blitz... none of the weapons overlap so thats a lot of leveled equipment to put in the closet. Mags are not that bad.
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Post by ismsean on Jun 5, 2020 10:15:32 GMT -5
I am seeing more and more Leeches on 1st drop. If I get to a beacon and it is between my Phantom and Leech, Leech wins that beacon. The game changer will be the scorpion. Gonna change the whole dynamic of BR. Why rush to a beacon when I can wait for ability to expire then teleport. I am getting better at using my ability at the last minute to grab a beacon knowing that folks mash that button to get that speed boost, but run out of juice when they get to beacon and really need it.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 5, 2020 10:56:35 GMT -5
Just want to say that calling Tyr garbage is a bit subjective.
I have put a lot of time in using that bot and prefer it over the Mender by a mile. Personal preference I am sure... but still, seems way more effective in my games.
Even when up against META players, if I use it at the right time, it's both effective and a boon for any Titan/Tank I shadow with it. It's a support bot 1st and foremost, sure, but it is the only bot that I have taken to 1.12 from any of the generations past the Lance. I like it that much.
With the Legendary Pilot skill, True Ace, and Shield expert, it is a mini tank in its own right in plasma and to a lesser degree, kinetic situations. Does it hold up to splash? Of course not for long... but it's fast enough in support mode to get where I need it to be and has enough firepower and pretty good shield HP to help once it gets there. For a non-META bot, I am pleased with it.
Currently running Rimes + Ignitors and it's Hell on a lot of META atm, especially Arthurs.
Again, not the best, but not garbage.
Just IMO, YMMV
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Post by Garbage game on Jun 6, 2020 12:37:52 GMT -5
Just want to say that calling Tyr garbage is a bit subjective. I have put a lot of time in using that bot and prefer it over the Mender by a mile. Personal preference I am sure... but still, seems way more effective in my games. Even when up against META players, if I use it at the right time, it's both effective and a boon for any Titan/Tank I shadow with it. It's a support bot 1st and foremost, sure, but it is the only bot that I have taken to 1.12 from any of the generations past the Lance. I like it that much. With the Legendary Pilot skill, True Ace, and Shield expert, it is a mini tank in its own right in plasma and to a lesser degree, kinetic situations. Does it hold up to splash? Of course not for long... but it's fast enough in support mode to get where I need it to be and has enough firepower and pretty good shield HP to help once it gets there. For a non-META bot, I am pleased with it. Currently running Rimes + Ignitors and it's Hell on a lot of META atm, especially Arthurs. Again, not the best, but not garbage. Just IMO, YMMV Just wondering what mode you play the most? I'm thinking Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ 's list is for BR mainly. Mender is a better "hot drop" vs a Tyr which needs time to heal a lot.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 6, 2020 16:49:00 GMT -5
Just want to say that calling Tyr garbage is a bit subjective. I have put a lot of time in using that bot and prefer it over the Mender by a mile. Personal preference I am sure... but still, seems way more effective in my games. Even when up against META players, if I use it at the right time, it's both effective and a boon for any Titan/Tank I shadow with it. It's a support bot 1st and foremost, sure, but it is the only bot that I have taken to 1.12 from any of the generations past the Lance. I like it that much. With the Legendary Pilot skill, True Ace, and Shield expert, it is a mini tank in its own right in plasma and to a lesser degree, kinetic situations. Does it hold up to splash? Of course not for long... but it's fast enough in support mode to get where I need it to be and has enough firepower and pretty good shield HP to help once it gets there. For a non-META bot, I am pleased with it. Currently running Rimes + Ignitors and it's Hell on a lot of META atm, especially Arthurs. Again, not the best, but not garbage. Just IMO, YMMV Just wondering what mode you play the most? I'm thinking Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ 's list is for BR mainly. Mender is a better "hot drop" vs a Tyr which needs time to heal a lot. Or. We have to look at it through the perspective of a Mender fan. It’s like if your a Lakers fan — the Celtics is garbage! ?
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Post by Garbage game on Jun 6, 2020 18:31:51 GMT -5
Just wondering what mode you play the most? I'm thinking Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ 's list is for BR mainly. Mender is a better "hot drop" vs a Tyr which needs time to heal a lot. Or. We have to look at it through the perspective of a Mender fan. It’s like if your a Lakers fan — the Celtics is garbage! ? Sportsball analogies make no sense to me. Puckslap analogies please xD
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Post by Jeb on Jun 7, 2020 10:07:55 GMT -5
You forgot Ravens. I guess they're more anti-meta than anything, but they have incredible versatility in terms of functional loadouts and mobility.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 7, 2020 16:43:39 GMT -5
Just want to say that calling Tyr garbage is a bit subjective. I have put a lot of time in using that bot and prefer it over the Mender by a mile. Personal preference I am sure... but still, seems way more effective in my games. Even when up against META players, if I use it at the right time, it's both effective and a boon for any Titan/Tank I shadow with it. It's a support bot 1st and foremost, sure, but it is the only bot that I have taken to 1.12 from any of the generations past the Lance. I like it that much. With the Legendary Pilot skill, True Ace, and Shield expert, it is a mini tank in its own right in plasma and to a lesser degree, kinetic situations. Does it hold up to splash? Of course not for long... but it's fast enough in support mode to get where I need it to be and has enough firepower and pretty good shield HP to help once it gets there. For a non-META bot, I am pleased with it. Currently running Rimes + Ignitors and it's Hell on a lot of META atm, especially Arthurs. Again, not the best, but not garbage. Just IMO, YMMV Just wondering what mode you play the most? I'm thinking Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ 's list is for BR mainly. Mender is a better "hot drop" vs a Tyr which needs time to heal a lot. Very good point... mostly DOM. Could definitely account for the difference... even though I had some decent encounters with BR when I play it... I can say that I never dropped it in a contested beacon situation and actively decided not to so... yeah really good point.
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Post by toiletbowl on Jun 8, 2020 21:27:47 GMT -5
Nicely written!!
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