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Post by seanh on Jun 1, 2020 5:14:56 GMT -5
So I know this is old hat for most of you folks but I just an Avenger Ao Jun into my hanger.
I did read some of the threads on learning to fly and I was practicing in hanger X so not too bad with it. I can generally land back into cover, circle etc.
Won't mind some advise on pilots, passive and active modules, load out to aid for and how best to utilise it.
So the basics: - Bot is 2.1 with a 5% skin (will get it to 2.4 this week). - A pair of 2.4 Avenger, they are all I got at the moment (managed to roll the sharpshooter skill). - Has 3 unlevelled termonukes at the moment. - Generic pilot, level 50. didn't want to sink AG into him so took most of the first half may decent random skills (avenger sharpshooter, mechanic, gunsmith and two raider skills).
So my plan, and where I need your two cents: - What active modules to folks run? - Should I consider other passives? I don't have many options, but happy to work towards something. - Is the Yang Lee pilot worth getting when he comes around. I think most folks tend to think so, but I see some people saying that stealth in the meta will change? Loki's annoy me enough to want it for them alone! - What pilot skills are important? - What is the preferred loadout? Avengers will have to do for a while but happy to work on something else in the background. I have lots of single heavy weapons so will have to workshop something for a pair. I see folks running Glacier, Ember or Calamity? - I see folks drop them all through out the game, but I was thinking I would probably run mine as a mid game brawler? I know they are great for huntiung titans, but I think that will change with the Titan phase shift and anyway my Titan kills other titans pretty well, isn't that what its for?
Anyway, advise appreciated.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 1, 2020 5:57:08 GMT -5
So I know this is old hat for most of you folks but I just an Avenger Ao Jun into my hanger.
I did read some of the threads on learning to fly and I was practicing in hanger X so not too bad with it. I can generally land back into cover, circle etc.
Won't mind some advise on pilots, passive and active modules, load out to aid for and how best to utilise it.
So the basics: - Bot is 2.1 with a 5% skin (will get it to 2.4 this week). - A pair of 2.4 Avenger, they are all I got at the moment (managed to roll the sharpshooter skill). - Has 3 unlevelled termonukes at the moment. - Generic pilot, level 50. didn't want to sink AG into him so took most of the first half may decent random skills (avenger sharpshooter, mechanic, gunsmith and two raider skills).
So my plan, and where I need your two cents: - What active modules to folks run? - Should I consider other passives? I don't have many options, but happy to work towards something. - Is the Yang Lee pilot worth getting when he comes around. I think most folks tend to think so, but I see some people saying that stealth in the meta will change? Loki's annoy me enough to want it for them alone! - What pilot skills are important? - What is the preferred loadout? Avengers will have to do for a while but happy to work on something else in the background. I have lots of single heavy weapons so will have to workshop something for a pair. I see folks running Glacier, Ember or Calamity? - I see folks drop them all through out the game, but I was thinking I would probably run mine as a mid game brawler? I know they are great for huntiung titans, but I think that will change with the Titan phase shift and anyway my Titan kills other titans pretty well, isn't that what its for?
Anyway, advise appreciated. Awesome man! It's a high level too! - Deathmark vs Titans. Phase Shift when you mess up your landing or run into Yang Lee. Lockdown Ammo for huge fun. - Last Stand, Anti Control, Thermonuke. Standard - Yes to Yang Lee. Great on Yamantau when you spot a Loki heading to backfield. Also the Nightingale solution. - Wonderworker is an essential for me. You can pretend to be an Nightingale for a bit. - Glacier & Ember vs. Titans. Calamity for dogfighting (This may change with Titan Quantum Radar, your Avengers may stand the test of time in this regard). - Mid game is good, Ao Jun can live a long time with Wonderworker and deal with many threats (even Ravana). One last thing - Ao Jun can cap beacons in mid air by hovering over the shaft of light. I often play my Ao Jun like an Nightingale and use the stealth hover to prevent reds from flipping the beacon, and burning them down to last stand. Then I land with a full glacier clip to finish them off. If you are a decent level you can even deal with Ravana this way.
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Post by seanh on Jun 1, 2020 6:19:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the Tips, especially the one about using the built in weapon independent to mounted wepons. Never even thought of that, just assumed I would be firing both together, but I can see how that could be very useful.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 1, 2020 8:49:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the Tips, especially the one about using the built in weapon independent to mounted wepons. Never even thought of that, just assumed I would be firing both together, but I can see how that could be very useful. Yes absolutely. The dragon breath is handy for baiting out enemy abilities. You need to save the flight for when you really need it though, and get comfy fighting on the ground as a 45kph dual heavy bot. "Walk in, fly out" is my Ao Jun motto. You can use the flight as soon as you see Repulse / Retribution / Break In activate,follow them back to their hiding places and then dive bomb them.
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Post by Overlordship on Jun 1, 2020 9:02:28 GMT -5
Rule #1 if you want your Ao Jun to survive more than one flight: know where you’re going to land before even taking off.
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Post by Garbage game on Jun 1, 2020 12:03:12 GMT -5
So I know this is old hat for most of you folks but I just an Avenger Ao Jun into my hanger.
I did read some of the threads on learning to fly and I was practicing in hanger X so not too bad with it. I can generally land back into cover, circle etc.
Won't mind some advise on pilots, passive and active modules, load out to aid for and how best to utilise it.
So the basics: - Bot is 2.1 with a 5% skin (will get it to 2.4 this week). - A pair of 2.4 Avenger, they are all I got at the moment (managed to roll the sharpshooter skill). - Has 3 unlevelled termonukes at the moment. - Generic pilot, level 50. didn't want to sink AG into him so took most of the first half may decent random skills (avenger sharpshooter, mechanic, gunsmith and two raider skills).
So my plan, and where I need your two cents: - What active modules to folks run? - Should I consider other passives? I don't have many options, but happy to work towards something. - Is the Yang Lee pilot worth getting when he comes around. I think most folks tend to think so, but I see some people saying that stealth in the meta will change? Loki's annoy me enough to want it for them alone! - What pilot skills are important? - What is the preferred loadout? Avengers will have to do for a while but happy to work on something else in the background. I have lots of single heavy weapons so will have to workshop something for a pair. I see folks running Glacier, Ember or Calamity? - I see folks drop them all through out the game, but I was thinking I would probably run mine as a mid game brawler? I know they are great for huntiung titans, but I think that will change with the Titan phase shift and anyway my Titan kills other titans pretty well, isn't that what its for?
Anyway, advise appreciated. Awesome man! It's a high level too! - Deathmark vs Titans. Phase Shift when you mess up your landing or run into Yang Lee. Lockdown Ammo for huge fun. - Last Stand, Anti Control, Thermonuke. Standard - Yes to Yang Lee. Great on Yamantau when you spot a Loki heading to backfield. Also the Nightingale solution. - Wonderworker is an essential for me. You can pretend to be an Nightingale for a bit. - Glacier & Ember vs. Titans. Calamity for dogfighting (This may change with Titan Quantum Radar, your Avengers may stand the test of time in this regard). - Mid game is good, Ao Jun can live a long time with Wonderworker and deal with many threats (even Ravana). One last thing - Ao Jun can cap beacons in mid air by hovering over the shaft of light. I often play my Ao Jun like an Nightingale and use the stealth hover to prevent reds from flipping the beacon, and burning them down to last stand. Then I land with a full glacier clip to finish them off. If you are a decent level you can even deal with Ravana this way. Wonderworker really isn’t worth it with the increased cooldown. 7.5% Health every 20s vs 0.5% per second with Mechanic... Also can you confirm that you can cap every beacon from a standing height? Afaik you need to consciously adjust the flight height to cap some beacons (eg flying from the bottom level of Carrier to center).
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Post by milty72 on Jun 1, 2020 16:00:26 GMT -5
Best kept load out secret in the game.
Nashorns
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Post by xv104 on Jun 2, 2020 4:13:57 GMT -5
Awesome man! It's a high level too! - Deathmark vs Titans. Phase Shift when you mess up your landing or run into Yang Lee. Lockdown Ammo for huge fun. - Last Stand, Anti Control, Thermonuke. Standard - Yes to Yang Lee. Great on Yamantau when you spot a Loki heading to backfield. Also the Nightingale solution. - Wonderworker is an essential for me. You can pretend to be an Nightingale for a bit. - Glacier & Ember vs. Titans. Calamity for dogfighting (This may change with Titan Quantum Radar, your Avengers may stand the test of time in this regard). - Mid game is good, Ao Jun can live a long time with Wonderworker and deal with many threats (even Ravana). One last thing - Ao Jun can cap beacons in mid air by hovering over the shaft of light. I often play my Ao Jun like an Nightingale and use the stealth hover to prevent reds from flipping the beacon, and burning them down to last stand. Then I land with a full glacier clip to finish them off. If you are a decent level you can even deal with Ravana this way. Wonderworker really isn’t worth it with the increased cooldown. 7.5% Health every 20s vs 0.5% per second with Mechanic... Also can you confirm that you can cap every beacon from a standing height? Afaik you need to consciously adjust the flight height to cap some beacons (eg flying from the bottom level of Carrier to center). Wonderworker in addition to Mechanic. I was assuming everyone selects Mechanic without question. Yes Ao Jun can cap the beacon in flight, but only if you hover directly over the centre light shaft.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 2, 2020 4:17:15 GMT -5
Just tried it in custom on Shenzhen center beacon, and confirmed. This is taking off from the same height as the beacon base. And the image shows how far away you can be from the centre shaft and still cap / hold. I've tried it from higher elevations and the beacon won't cap, regardless of how centred you are.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 2, 2020 4:58:43 GMT -5
In practice this is more useful for defending a beacon rather than capping it, but at least challenges the assumption that the Ao Jun cannot hold a friendly beacon.
Would this not open up possibilities with Ao Guang also?
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 2, 2020 7:49:30 GMT -5
Awesome man! It's a high level too! - Deathmark vs Titans. Phase Shift when you mess up your landing or run into Yang Lee. Lockdown Ammo for huge fun. - Last Stand, Anti Control, Thermonuke. Standard - Yes to Yang Lee. Great on Yamantau when you spot a Loki heading to backfield. Also the Nightingale solution. - Wonderworker is an essential for me. You can pretend to be an Nightingale for a bit. - Glacier & Ember vs. Titans. Calamity for dogfighting (This may change with Titan Quantum Radar, your Avengers may stand the test of time in this regard). - Mid game is good, Ao Jun can live a long time with Wonderworker and deal with many threats (even Ravana). One last thing - Ao Jun can cap beacons in mid air by hovering over the shaft of light. I often play my Ao Jun like an Nightingale and use the stealth hover to prevent reds from flipping the beacon, and burning them down to last stand. Then I land with a full glacier clip to finish them off. If you are a decent level you can even deal with Ravana this way. Wonderworker really isn’t worth it with the increased cooldown. 7.5% Health every 20s vs 0.5% per second with Mechanic... Also can you confirm that you can cap every beacon from a standing height? Afaik you need to consciously adjust the flight height to cap some beacons (eg flying from the bottom level of Carrier to center). xv104 is correct, starting flight at the same level as the location of the beacon does allow you to capture it. The beacon locations are a spherical dome shape so if you are airborne, you will need to be much closer to the beacon center to affect it.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 2, 2020 7:57:41 GMT -5
Also, I agree that wonderworker isn't worth it, especially if you are only taking off defensively. That means you might be waiting longer than the cool down before you heal and it's definitely not worth it to take off just to heal. If you add it on to having Mechanic, it might be worth while, but there are other better skills for an Avenger Ao Jun IMO. Sharpshooter and speedshooter are both helpful the more Avengers you have. Also, I use Adamant (RH and gunsmith) skills since I'm titan hunting with mine and it's usually late game. This also helps mitigate the flight speed nerf that happened a few months ago. Generally though, pilot skills are less helpful/necessary on the Ao Jun than on other bots. The essentials are the essentials on every mech. Mechanic, RH and Armor Expert.
The active module you use should pair well with the weapons you use and your play style. If you're titan hunting, you might want death mark. I have embers and use that. I used to use Lockdown Ammo, but changed when I realized that titans are my main target and aren't fast enough to justify Lockdown Ammo. I don't use PS on my Ao Jun because I feel if I'm not smart enough to land in the right place, I should be killed, but it's not a bad thing to use to get you out of a sticky situation or if another Jun has Yang Lee. Still, without a Last Stand, it usually just delays the inevitable.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 2, 2020 10:09:37 GMT -5
Also, I agree that wonderworker isn't worth it, especially if you are only taking off defensively. That means you might be waiting longer than the cool down before you heal and it's definitely not worth it to take off just to heal. If you add it on to having Mechanic, it might be worth while, but there are other better skills for an Avenger Ao Jun IMO. Sharpshooter and speedshooter are both helpful the more Avengers you have. Also, I use Adamant (RH and gunsmith) skills since I'm titan hunting with mine and it's usually late game. This also helps mitigate the flight speed nerf that happened a few months ago. Generally though, pilot skills are less helpful/necessary on the Ao Jun than on other bots. The essentials are the essentials on every mech. Mechanic, RH and Armor Expert. The active module you use should pair well with the weapons you use and your play style. If you're titan hunting, you might want death mark. I have embers and use that. I used to use Lockdown Ammo, but changed when I realized that titans are my main target and aren't fast enough to justify Lockdown Ammo. I don't use Phase Shift on my Ao Jun because I feel if I'm not smart enough to land in the right place, I should be killed, but it's not a bad thing to use to get you out of a sticky situation or if another Jun has Yang Lee. Still, without a Last Stand, it usually just delays the inevitable. I'd argue that, as you say, the Ao Jun is so skill efficient, you can afford to take both Wonderworker & Mechanic. Here's my Glacier setup: You could still fit Avenger skills or Adamant skills on there. In contrast to say an Avenger Bulwark, which needs more essential skills than there are slots. I wouldn't build a strategy around wonderworker but it is a quick burst heal. It's like Yang Lee now comes with a mini repair module as well as in flight Quantum Radar! Got a squeeze all the value out of that flight.
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Post by bruskii on Jun 2, 2020 13:08:09 GMT -5
Avengers, sharpshooter, and lock down ammo FTW baby!
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Post by Corrosion on Jun 4, 2020 20:45:54 GMT -5
Personally, since I ain't got too much experience on Ao Jun, here are the tips I could manage to salvage from my Ao Jun folder in my brain:
1. Know your target. You should only target ONE enemy each flight, or your ability will go to waste. Try peeking over corners to see what bot your target is running. If say, its an Ares-- bait out its ability by cornershooting, then proceed to absolutely whoop his 「bum-bum」.
2. Know your limit. If you're trying to attack a tanky robot, and you aren't maxed/ the enemy is at 70% or higher HP, try reconsidering a target. You will be very vulnerable when your ability ends. Ofc, unless you know u can take him down anyway.
3. Juking. Ok, this is kinda old, so don't call me captain obvious-- but juking left and right, in circles etc really really helps if an enemy is using Quantum Radar and shooting at you. This won't help much if he's using lock-on weapons like scourge, but its good against most other weapon types. You can do this on ground, but I find it impossible to actually dodge anything.
4. Retreating. Another common tip: try find cover after landing, you don't have much to help you at your disposal, so wait until your ability recharges to 7 secs or so, then you can go back to being the good 'ol agressive Ao Jun we know and (hate) love.
As for weapon choice, I use Glaciers and Calamity on pairs, switching from time to time when I feel like it, but since u got avengers, that ain't bad either. Avengers is a common sight on Ao Juns, and sharpshooter helps to deal more damage at longer range.
If Arthurs are bothering you though, ur best choice now is Glaciers, they slow down, make them take more dmg, and they themselves are pretty fast and reload too.
I apologize if my tips aren't optimal, but these are all I've got, enjoy your Ao Jun!!! You'll like it! ( At least, I do)
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