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Post by thefirstsurvivor on May 19, 2020 16:29:33 GMT -5
I've just joined this game after 4 years and what i see is more than disgusting. Ya know the weapons and robots you used to be able to research an example of these items are: Raijin, trebuchet, magnum, taran, carnage, rhino, yes it might be easy prey for the more op new robots. But at least make it possible to buy them with silver, but instead gold and tons of it, is pixonic trying to destroy our banks and for the non spenders (like me) its impossible to get the amount of gold required for the said items. Also all these new robots yes they needed content but it ruins the spark of the game. So suggestion, make another version of the game with just the old items and system, make the items cheaper that need gold, the old items that you used to be able to research make possible to research, and make it actually possible to get gold in larger amounts.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 19, 2020 17:09:34 GMT -5
Talk about a shock coming back after that long! All I can say is that it's almost a different game. There are ways to acquire both new(ish) equipment and Au without spending... but yeah things are not perfect by any means. We deal with it though... the good games are still good enough to carry me along through the bad ones... and to be fair, I have had a LOT less bad ones over the past few weeks. Probably due to the platform merge. BUT... you sound like a perfect candidate for 6 pack games. Custom games where legacy (up to Camelot bots and weapons) are all that is allowed. There should be some games tomorrow evening... Let me look through some posts so I can find the right person to tag to get you some info. Welcome to the Forum and back to the game! (Also, we have NOTHING to do with Pixonic as a whole... we are just a fan driven forum... completely unofficial) EDIT... thefirstsurvivor, message Cdr. Crimmins if you need some info for 6 Pack.
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Post by rags on May 19, 2020 17:35:01 GMT -5
Believe it or not items are actually easier to acquire than ever since mail.ru bought pixonic but they cost more than ever to upgrade. The real grind is in upgrading items and then keeping up with the rapid meta changes.
The gameplay itself is like a string that’s been tangled into many knots because pixonic is committed to a pay to win model. There is basically no honest attempt at creating a balanced game and often content is released with little regard to its effect on the meta. Things mainly get “balanced” by releasing/buffing new content to generate sales. This has a ripple effect on everything else that creates a chaotic meta.
The biggest problem is that they continue to push beyond the limits of the current engine so the lag is now rampant and at many times unplayable. Ironically it somewhat plays into their hands because premium gear can survive and play through lag spikes much easier than cheaper gear. They rarely fix bugs and even in some instances have purposely release “bugs” to test future items or generate quick sales boosts. They are planning to release a new engine later this year but it’s frustrating that they abandoned any care for current game quality. It’s like driving a car without ever giving it an oil change because you plan on buying a new one in a couple years.
So although player turnover is high, why do people continue to play this game despite some of these backbreaking issues? I think it’s mainly because the arcade style gameplay and the constant need to grind resources makes it extremely addictive.
The question then becomes what do you do. Accept the situation that the game will always be unbalanced and p2w. Find your own fun within the game or just play something else.
And if you just want to play old school war robots again, you can in 6 pack league!
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Post by Eradicator1 on May 19, 2020 18:19:00 GMT -5
I've just joined this game after 4 years and what i see is more than disgusting. Ya know the weapons and robots you used to be able to research an example of these items are: Raijin, trebuchet, magnum, taran, carnage, rhino, yes it might be easy prey for the more op new robots. But at least make it possible to buy them with silver, but instead gold and tons of it, is pixonic trying to destroy our banks and for the non spenders (like me) its impossible to get the amount of gold required for the said items. Also all these new robots yes they needed content but it ruins the spark of the game. So suggestion, make another version of the game with just the old items and system, make the items cheaper that need gold, the old items that you used to be able to research make possible to research, and make it actually possible to get gold in larger amounts. I had a similar idea in one of my posts earlier this week. They need another game mode to pick from in the “battle modes”. Like a six pack or walking war robots mode. I think it would be very popular.
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Post by RightOn on May 19, 2020 19:21:14 GMT -5
If I started today, I would want somebody to tell me this:
Don't level past 6. Just don't.
Play for a whole year, just level 6, unlock whatever you want, and only after then should you decide to "move up"
That's what Pix wants you to think, that you need to level up, that you need the latest and greatest thing.
The reality is, I could play with just Boas, Griffin's, Natasha, etc and I would be doing just fine.
My problem is, I already did that. I had to move on. I've been doing this 5 years. That doesn't mean I throw down money or even have anything close to maxed out. I chose a path of variety to keep the soul alive. I don't ruin things. I don't care about the win. I want a good fight and I want to have fun.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 20, 2020 1:10:00 GMT -5
I feel you, OP, and I didn’t even leave for four years!
Lots of good advice here already but I will (semi) reiterate that you do NOT need the new magic Space Toys to succeed and have fun in this game. The only bots I have that are maxed are 5 Vityazes. The only other bots I have above 6 were last upgraded in Jan of 2017. None of my Space Toys, from the dash bots to my Tyr, Leech and Ao Jun (won, won and won), are above level 6. My weapons are between 6-8. I don't use passive modules. I do use pilots now and once in a blue moon, Quantum Radar.
Despite that, I'm in Masters 2 knocking on the door to M1. I'm not trying to rise up the leagues, I just try to win with what I've got.
6 Pack, OTOH, is great fun. No pilots, no modules, no weapons or bots (except for the Bolt and Gust) that post date Dec 2016. Custom matches. Pickup games every week, Wednesday’s for iOS, more often for Android. We would love to have you!
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Post by foxypotato on May 20, 2020 6:30:24 GMT -5
I've just joined this game after 4 years and what i see is more than disgusting. Ya know the weapons and robots you used to be able to research an example of these items are: Raijin, trebuchet, magnum, taran, carnage, rhino, yes it might be easy prey for the more op new robots. But at least make it possible to buy them with silver, but instead gold and tons of it, is pixonic trying to destroy our banks and for the non spenders (like me) its impossible to get the amount of gold required for the said items. Also all these new robots yes they needed content but it ruins the spark of the game. So suggestion, make another version of the game with just the old items and system, make the items cheaper that need gold, the old items that you used to be able to research make possible to research, and make it actually possible to get gold in larger amounts. Great idea but it's never going to happen. The original devs left the game years ago and started BoT. You may want to check that out.
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Post by Silver Fox on May 22, 2020 19:00:57 GMT -5
I quit playing for about 2 years and just now came back...what a difference to see the new robots like Leech and Phantom with these insane abilities. I remember getting wrecked by tri-mag gepards but now my old hanger is pretty much getting wrecked by everything - those flying dragon-bots are nuts and so is that elephant head sucker that I can't seem to hit lol. And don't get me started on Titans. Also, I have no idea how to leverage all these new features like pilots and modules that require even more game currency. At the end of the day it's just a game, but a bit less fun when you lose your entire lineup in the first 3 minutes and your weapons seem to do almost no damage. Oh well, I was able to pick up a spare iPad on the cheap and actually created a brand new account just to bring back some sense of the original game. As our friend Andy Bernard once said, "I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them."
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Post by kingdmm on May 26, 2020 19:05:22 GMT -5
I've just joined this game after 4 years and what i see is more than disgusting. Ya know the weapons and robots you used to be able to research an example of these items are: Raijin, trebuchet, magnum, taran, carnage, rhino, yes it might be easy prey for the more op new robots. But at least make it possible to buy them with silver, but instead gold and tons of it, is pixonic trying to destroy our banks and for the non spenders (like me) its impossible to get the amount of gold required for the said items. Also all these new robots yes they needed content but it ruins the spark of the game. So suggestion, make another version of the game with just the old items and system, make the items cheaper that need gold, the old items that you used to be able to research make possible to research, and make it actually possible to get gold in larger amounts. You can tank mail.ru for that. As long as people pay, they will continue to power creep.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on May 26, 2020 20:48:11 GMT -5
You can tank mail.ru for that. As long as people pay, they will continue to power creep. I think even if people stopped paying, Pix would continue the power creep because that’s the only monetization strategy they can fathom.
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Post by Overlordship on May 26, 2020 21:24:01 GMT -5
I quit playing for about 2 years and just now came back...what a difference to see the new robots like Leech and Phantom with these insane abilities. I remember getting wrecked by tri-mag gepards but now my old hanger is pretty much getting wrecked by everything - those flying dragon-bots are nuts and so is that elephant head sucker that I can't seem to hit lol. And don't get me started on Titans. Also, I have no idea how to leverage all these new features like pilots and modules that require even more game currency. At the end of the day it's just a game, but a bit less fun when you lose your entire lineup in the first 3 minutes and your weapons seem to do almost no damage. Oh well, I was able to pick up a spare iPad on the cheap and actually created a brand new account just to bring back some sense of the original game. As our friend Andy Bernard once said, "I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them." "...Also, I have no idea how to leverage all these new features like pilots and modules that require even more game currency..." I started two years ago and it seemed there was a steep learning curve then. Now, I have to pity anyone starting new at this game. There is way too much to learn and too many variables. I mean, you didn't even mention skins (paint jobs) giving magic abilities to certain bots, legendary pilots, stacking, boosters, workshop, it just keeps going.
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Post by kingdmm on May 27, 2020 13:06:03 GMT -5
You can tank mail.ru for that. As long as people pay, they will continue to power creep. I think even if people stopped paying, Pix would continue the power creep because that’s the only monetization strategy they can fathom. I think if people stopped paying, Pix could work on making money off of things like skins and the battle pass. Not a single long-term successful multiplayer game uses power creep as a form of monetization.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 27, 2020 17:10:35 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change.
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 27, 2020 17:53:20 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change. If only we knew when we were complaining about those indestructible Ancilots where things would end up ...
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Post by Pulse Hadron on May 27, 2020 18:40:05 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change. No, the old days were way better. Ancilots were a tough nut to crack but not impervious and they didn’t vaporize your full health bot in 2 seconds and they traded speed for defensiveness and the MM was hangar based.
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Post by DataMeister on May 29, 2020 20:36:06 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change. No, the old days were way better. Ancilots were a tough nut to crack but not impervious and they didn’t vaporize your full health bot in 2 seconds and they traded speed for defensiveness and the MM was hangar based. I think the switch from hangar based matchup to league matchups is the initial big downhill change. It was disappointing that you couldn't play different loadouts anymore without spending a month upgrading, but it was still workable. However even now the league matchups are screwed up with my diamond hangar seeing champion league players at least 7 out of 10 matches. Then Pixonic doubled down on the hamster wheel upgrade cycle and ruined most of the fun for me now days. I would probably play daily instead of a couple times a month if it was less aggravating.
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Post by GuitarGuy on May 30, 2020 13:16:17 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change. If only we knew when we were complaining about those indestructible Ancilots where things would end up ... And back when I started it was Gepards.. And the F2P players would get mad if you spent $50 to get some gold bots and play 4/12 gear. As long as War Robots has been around there always been player who felt it was unfair. At least back then its wasnt so wildly out of wack as it is now and they would really test gear before introducing it. Balance really mattered back then.
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Post by DataMeister on May 30, 2020 14:16:39 GMT -5
If only we knew when we were complaining about those indestructible Ancilots where things would end up ... And back when I started it was Gepards.. And the F2P players would get mad if you spent $50 to get some gold bots and play 4/12 gear. As long as War Robots has been around there always been player who felt it was unfair. At least back then its wasnt so wildly out of wack as it is now and they would really test gear before introducing it. Balance really mattered back then. And you could buy a few brand new bots at level 1 and play with other players at the bottom. Now it takes a month after buying something new before you can really test it much to see if you like it.
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 30, 2020 18:57:27 GMT -5
And back when I started it was Gepards.. And the F2P players would get mad if you spent $50 to get some gold bots and play 4/12 gear. As long as War Robots has been around there always been player who felt it was unfair. At least back then its wasnt so wildly out of wack as it is now and they would really test gear before introducing it. Balance really mattered back then. And you could buy a few brand new bots at level 1 and play with other players at the bottom. Now it takes a month after buying something new before you can really test it much to see if you like it. Haha - not me! Whenever I get a new bot, I level it up as far as a few ads will take it, slap on whatever weapons I have laying around pad that look like they’ll suit it, and off I go. Of course I have very little over level 8 (just a Mk2/12 Cossack), so playing something at level 4 isn’t that much of a drop for me. But that’s part of how I keep myself in Diamond too (and avoid the frustrations of facing maxed meta gear AND having to wait a month to play that new gear), so it all works out. I also don’t play anywhere near as much as I used to - 3-4 games a day is about it, so I probably get a lot more mileage out of lower level gear than most.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 31, 2020 8:12:20 GMT -5
The old days were no better, just different gripes. During that time, it was ancilots ruining everything. Nothing will ever change. No, the old days were way better. Ancilots were a tough nut to crack but not impervious and they didn’t vaporize your full health bot in 2 seconds and they traded speed for defensiveness and the MM was hangar based. There is zero difference from the "old" days and the "new" beyond the money you need to spend now versus then. Things were just as ridiculous to fight but you only had to spend 50 bucks to get it versus the 3k+ now.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 31, 2020 23:26:47 GMT -5
No, the old days were way better. Ancilots were a tough nut to crack but not impervious and they didn’t vaporize your full health bot in 2 seconds and they traded speed for defensiveness and the MM was hangar based. There is zero difference from the "old" days and the "new" beyond the money you need to spend now versus then. Things were just as ridiculous to fight but you only had to spend 50 bucks to get it versus the 3k+ now. Disagree. The so called 'terror' of Trident Furies, Ancilots and Mag Geps has nothing on what players face now. So much easier to battle. So much easier, actually, that I never realized I was being terrorized. Holy cow are things different now.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 3, 2020 16:03:29 GMT -5
Night and day difference. The power creep has been insane.
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Post by spectre729 on Jun 3, 2020 16:17:22 GMT -5
i remember when death button griffins are really powerful
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Post by DataMeister on Jun 3, 2020 16:38:01 GMT -5
i remember when death button griffins are really powerful I remember the first time I got blown away by one. I was like, what the heck just happened? Then I learned all about the upper level world of Walking War Robots.
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