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Post by reckless1 on May 11, 2020 11:15:03 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily.
Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 11, 2020 11:26:08 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims. Farming is my guess. That and when you have an active clan squadding is part of the allure. The only way to not run into full squads if you squad is to duo. Hell some Clans require you to respond to requests for squadding if you are online. IDK about the ones that you are specifically speaking about. Personally, I don't really care about duos. Sure, the ones you are talking about are better equipped and have an advantage of either being on comms or knowing their squadmate's moves well enough to not need the comms, but their teams are usually balanced out with lower point players enough to make them the main threat. Usually. At least from my PoV... I am not in Champions League so I can't comment about what you see except for when I can tell I am the lone multi layer player in a Champions League match, which happens enough to give me at least a sliver of your perspective, if not much more than that. I know at one point several clans would use alternate hangars when they saw they were against Randoms that wasn't all META killers... to address the disparity you are talking about. Since Pix fixed it so that you can't tell as easily who the other team is composed of before dropping at the beginning, however, that has mostly gone away from what I have seen. What I don't want to see go away is the ability to be able to duo squad with someone if a clan is mostly EL or something, and not be matched with full squads, because sometimes that duo is what allows that EL squad to face Maxed Champions League rando players and either put up a good fight or win.
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Post by hi5 on May 11, 2020 11:52:57 GMT -5
I don’t squad but would imagine it’s not always possible to get enough at the same time for a full squad. I believe running more than 2 pulls in other full squads. Also the new HP rewards system means low finishers in full squad don’t get as much as they used too when Ag was allocated based on total damage.
So the logical answer is you go with either a full 6 or only 2 for The most successful results.
From a solo perspective I’d rather face either just 2 or a full 6 - the former I can manage and the latter is over fast so I can move on to the next match.
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Post by Munki on May 11, 2020 12:01:26 GMT -5
The quick answer is that there are not always players available for full 6 person squads. Most clans try to avoid running squads of 3, 4, or 5 as those are more often placed against full squads. Duos allow for still getting your daily clan battles in which have some Au benefits.
Do note from the duo point of view, they will most likely have 4 randoms on their team. No guarantee of victory or anything like that. At least in our clan, we are not looking to stomp on weaker hangers.
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Post by Loganspawn on May 11, 2020 12:04:41 GMT -5
Because matchmaker has made 3 to 5 total dookie for all! When we try to run 3 to 5 lately we get full S clan Reds. So the smart ones stick to Duo most the time.
Solo is horrible as you know you will get at least one camper and one no show or they leave early and that is on BR mode!
Next question......
ETA Even running duo lately matchmaker has been F ing people hard
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Post by spezialdupe on May 11, 2020 12:24:00 GMT -5
what hi5, lil'munki and Loganspawn and tricky48, also said .
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on May 11, 2020 13:17:24 GMT -5
I duo all the time simply because it’s fun to have someone to run with and do tag team. This isn’t going to stop just because some opponents have lower gear. I mean, you’re essentially asking people why they would want to have a teammate to run with who knows what they’re doing, instead of us only running with randoms, many of which who seem to not understand how to play the game, ignoring beacons, clustering in one area, not working with others to control territory and so forth. So having someone who knows what to do is great.
Another reason for duos does have to do with silver. Everyone in squad is really good, so sometimes running in a full squad can result in less silver. Splitting into duos allows all of us to get good silver.
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Post by Deadeye on May 11, 2020 13:45:42 GMT -5
One more addition (and this isn't as big a reason as others have said): You get more clan points. For those that care about clan ranking (either increasing clan rank or being competitive with other S clans) then you get more clan rank points when squadding, even if it's just 2.
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Post by thirtyseven on May 11, 2020 14:00:17 GMT -5
One more addition (and this isn't as big a reason as others have said): You get more clan points. For those that care about clan ranking (either increasing clan rank or being competitive with other S clans) then you get more clan rank points when squadding, even if it's just 2. I was gonna say something along these lines. Top clans often times ask that you earn a certain amount of points per season or even per week. If you try to do that amount solo it takes a long time. I'm a high champs solo player that barely makes the requirements of these top ranked clans just cuz I played a lot. Nowadays I play just enough to get all the event dailies, so I'm happy in my no-stress, B-ranked clan. Combine the exponential gain from squadding and what others have said about people should either be squadding as 2 or 6, and you get the situation we have now.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 14:05:46 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims. Surprised you do not know the answer to this.....if not enough clannies are online, or want to squad, dropping with a trio or quad almost always results in facing a full death squad....not good with rando fill-ins. For whatever reason, duo does not trigger that unfortunate circumstance. IMO, most high level players do not look to seal club on purpose, and many hold way back when presented with a red team of baby seals. Ive even seen a full clan squad have half the squad drop out because of facing 6 randos, so the clan goes 3v6 for sport and challenge......much more exciting than a 2 minute steamroll!
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Post by Watkins4x on May 11, 2020 14:30:52 GMT -5
Maybe we are hoping to get to that 90% win rate I hear so much about?
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Post by Garbage game on May 11, 2020 16:14:36 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims. Easy wins while duoing. Sometimes things get interesting when we come across another duo. I usually duo with someone who brings a lot of firepower while I work the objectives and support. Same reason why people spent $3k on a flying winbot really. It doesn’t hurt my ego at all to say this, though people sure are afraid of admitting it.
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Post by mechtout on Jun 25, 2020 9:37:00 GMT -5
stymied!
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 25, 2020 10:35:47 GMT -5
stymied! MistressJo is Lottie-Rose’s daughter. She also runs all Ravens. That’s a good win.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 25, 2020 10:50:10 GMT -5
stymied! MistressJo is Lottie-Rose’s daughter. She also runs all Ravens. That’s a good win. I thought Lottie-Rose was a teenager...like 16-19 or something like that...so you're telling me she has a daughter old enough to play this game well with a Champion level hanger??? How old is she then?!?
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Post by CarlosDanger on Jun 25, 2020 13:16:39 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims. It puzzles me why people try to end games so quickly instead of taking time to harvest silver knowing full well that they could be on the receiving end of a beat down on the very next drop. Give up some ground, let the other team breathe, make some Ag.
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Post by mechtout on Jun 25, 2020 13:47:04 GMT -5
MistressJo is Lottie-Rose’s daughter. She also runs all Ravens. That’s a good win. I thought Lottie-Rose was a teenager...like 16-19 or something like that...so you're telling me she has a daughter old enough to play this game well with a Champion level hanger??? How old is she then?!? This!
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Post by [WÎČK] Cap’nAHAB on Jun 25, 2020 14:24:36 GMT -5
Everything said above ??
Also, some people like to win all the time.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 26, 2020 2:49:35 GMT -5
MistressJo is Lottie-Rose’s daughter. She also runs all Ravens. That’s a good win. I thought Lottie-Rose was a teenager...like 16-19 or something like that...so you're telling me she has a daughter old enough to play this game well with a Champion level hanger??? How old is she then?!? Then it’s Lottie’s mom ?
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 6:13:07 GMT -5
All the reasons have been laid out. Here’s one more im not fully maxed and even if I spent way more money it wouldn’t matter. Running solo absolutely sucks the higher you climb. I don’t need to win all the time but having no chance of winning isn’t really enjoyable. Having one more person who knows what they’re doing makes a world of difference...
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 6:27:33 GMT -5
All the reasons have been laid out. Here’s one more im not fully maxed and even if I spent way more money it wouldn’t matter. Running solo absolutely sucks the higher you climb. I don’t need to win all the time but having no chance of winning isn’t really enjoyable. Having one more person who knows what they’re doing makes a world of difference... Your experience may differ but when I see scores like that on the blue team it is because the player in the top spot just murdered everything which kept everyone's else's scores down. Looks like you won to me. Did you spawn in an AM with 600m murder beams and foat around in the home base?
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Post by AVC on Jun 26, 2020 6:33:51 GMT -5
, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. This is probably the craziest thing. I was in a match the other day getting clan-stomped on TDM We were down 19 to 3, some Phantom was in the spawn-raid party and getting lowish on health. I open up on him and he goes for the PC stealth during reload. Not sure why, they were guaranteed the win. I don't even bother using the PCs unless it's going to clinch a deal. I blame the MM.
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Post by no pain 80 on Jun 26, 2020 6:35:32 GMT -5
Serious question for the top clans. You know who you are. You claim to not want to fight randoms yet more and more I run into duos of you when soloing. As usual you whip out your max AMs as fast as possible, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. Why? Why duo when you know you will be stomping helpless randoms? Why not solo. My hangar is a joke compared to yours but generally I avoid duos so I’m not beating on some low champ victims. I do duos, and like them over trios, quartets, etc anything short of full squad. Running a duo, your chances of matching against full/partial squads is practically zero. My other motive is to pair with someone whose moves and commitment to the game I know of because,you know, randoms sux by the way, I run mostly lvl 9 bots (2.4 falcon) and mostly lvl10 weapons (2.12 avengers 2.4 glaciers). Most of my clan mates are more advanced than me, both in hangar wise and skill wise,but they are not maxed out either.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 6:47:08 GMT -5
All the reasons have been laid out. Here’s one more im not fully maxed and even if I spent way more money it wouldn’t matter. Running solo absolutely sucks the higher you climb. I don’t need to win all the time but having no chance of winning isn’t really enjoyable. Having one more person who knows what they’re doing makes a world of difference... Your experience may differ but when I see scores like that on the blue team it is because the player in the top spot just murdered everything which kept everyone's else's scores down. Looks like you won to me. Did you spawn in an AM with 600m murder beams and foat around in the home base? Well it clearly says lose at the top, so not a win. I don’t own a Ming and my Arthur is at level 62. My 5 teammates combined to get 3 beacons. I spent the whole game recapturing beacons lost. I can provide scores of examples of games just like this...
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Post by mechtout on Jun 26, 2020 7:12:11 GMT -5
I thought Lottie-Rose was a teenager...like 16-19 or something like that...so you're telling me she has a daughter old enough to play this game well with a Champion level hanger??? How old is she then?!? Then it’s Lottie’s mom ?
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Post by no pain 80 on Jun 26, 2020 7:25:58 GMT -5
Maybe we are hoping to get to that 90% win rate I hear so much about? Well, for the wins (and stats), I play ffa. Last month, my wins peaked at 96% (damage 1.8m and kills 7 bots+1 titan) by playing ffa exclusively. This month, playing in the team modes and squading as much as I can, my stats saw the bottom; I am at 34% wins now and dropping. Yesterday alone, playing solo, I was at a losing streak for 8 or so games.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 26, 2020 7:54:11 GMT -5
All the reasons have been laid out. Here’s one more im not fully maxed and even if I spent way more money it wouldn’t matter. Running solo absolutely sucks the higher you climb. I don’t need to win all the time but having no chance of winning isn’t really enjoyable. Having one more person who knows what they’re doing makes a world of difference... Your experience may differ but when I see scores like that on the blue team it is because the player in the top spot just murdered everything which kept everyone's else's scores down. Looks like you won to me. Did you spawn in an AM with 600m murder beams and foat around in the home base? Wow, you're attacking the wrong person here. ʂɬɛɛƖ is exactly the type of player you want on your team. Someone who values winning (and beacons) above all else. Damage and kills just come with the rest. No, he doesn't play with all legacy bots that aren't "ruining the game", but his hanger is varied and diverse and interesting. He was just offering his input on why duos is better for some, there's really no need to assume something about him or anyone and attack him based on those assumptions. That doesn't add value to this thread or these forums.
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Post by The VVatcher on Jun 26, 2020 8:03:11 GMT -5
Your experience may differ but when I see scores like that on the blue team it is because the player in the top spot just murdered everything which kept everyone's else's scores down. Looks like you won to me. Did you spawn in an AM with 600m murder beams and foat around in the home base? Wow, you're attacking the wrong person here. ʂɬɛɛƖ is exactly the type of player you want on your team. Someone who values winning (and beacons) above all else. Damage and kills just come with the rest. No, he doesn't play with all legacy bots that aren't "ruining the game", but his hanger is varied and diverse and interesting. He was just offering his input on why duos is better for some, there's really no need to assume something about him or anyone and attack him based on those assumptions. That doesn't add value to this thread or these forums. ʂɬɛɛƖ is a beast. And a great soloist. And you don’t notice your facing him because he’s font is so small ? I have to squint my eyes...is that the cholo one?
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 8:09:28 GMT -5
#1 on a loss with millions of damage more than any other player is a win for solo play. MM determines wins and losses at at the top of the page in solo play. You can duo randoms but that is basically cheating unless the other team also has a duo. Not sure if I see the appeal. What's the point of a win against randoms if it is not a fair fight?
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 8:13:38 GMT -5
Your experience may differ but when I see scores like that on the blue team it is because the player in the top spot just murdered everything which kept everyone's else's scores down. Looks like you won to me. Did you spawn in an AM with 600m murder beams and foat around in the home base? Wow, you're attacking the wrong person here. ʂɬɛɛƖ is exactly the type of player you want on your team. Someone who values winning (and beacons) above all else. Damage and kills just come with the rest. No, he doesn't play with all legacy bots that aren't "ruining the game", but his hanger is varied and diverse and interesting. He was just offering his input on why duos is better for some, there's really no need to assume something about him or anyone and attack him based on those assumptions. That doesn't add value to this thread or these forums. Also not an attack btw. Looks like he legit just murdered everything and his teammates couldn't even keep up. I fail to see the problem with that result that would require a squad to fix. Looks like a great result to me. Can't win every match.
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