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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 8:59:20 GMT -5
The match was on dreadnaught and I can assure you it wasn’t a win or fun and enjoyable because my numbers were good. Games like these are incredibly frustrating. I don’t have to or expect to win every game, but playing games that feel 1v6 are horrible. I fought and held the A/B/E side of the map the entire game. But I don’t have 10 beacons here because my teammates couldn’t keep up, I don’t know what they were doing tbh. 1 remotely competent teammate would have won this match or at least made it actually competitive rather than me trying to do everything and be everywhere at once. I could have had maxed everything and it wouldn’t change the outcome here because the higher you are the worse your team is. Even in duos, you lose your fair share because you simply can’t make up for the deficiencies of the rest of your team. But at least you’re with someone else having fun. None of us can control how matches are made and everyone shares the same poor results of matchmaking just from different perspectives. But we should all be allowed to find enjoyment any way we can. Duos are fun, period. Squads are fun. Everyone would like to run full squads all the time, but you can’t. Not enough people all the time. Also, sometimes we’ll duo if we find we’re not hitting other squads. You get much better games in duos that way. And as was mentioned, Ag is an issue in squads. Everyone needs it and you get way more out of squad than you do in it. also, thanks for the kind words The VVatcher & Deadeye
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 9:01:12 GMT -5
Wow, you're attacking the wrong person here. ʂɬɛɛƖ is exactly the type of player you want on your team. Someone who values winning (and beacons) above all else. Damage and kills just come with the rest. No, he doesn't play with all legacy bots that aren't "ruining the game", but his hanger is varied and diverse and interesting. He was just offering his input on why duos is better for some, there's really no need to assume something about him or anyone and attack him based on those assumptions. That doesn't add value to this thread or these forums. ʂɬɛɛƖ is a beast. And a great soloist. And you don’t notice your facing him because he’s font is so small ? I have to squint my eyes...is that the cholo one? I have no idea tbh...lol one of my clan mates said I needed to not have a boring ign and sent me a bunch of samples. I copy pasted this one
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 26, 2020 9:25:41 GMT -5
Wow, you're attacking the wrong person here. ʂɬɛɛƖ is exactly the type of player you want on your team. Someone who values winning (and beacons) above all else. Damage and kills just come with the rest. No, he doesn't play with all legacy bots that aren't "ruining the game", but his hanger is varied and diverse and interesting. He was just offering his input on why duos is better for some, there's really no need to assume something about him or anyone and attack him based on those assumptions. That doesn't add value to this thread or these forums. Also not an attack btw. Looks like he legit just murdered everything and his teammates couldn't even keep up. I fail to see the problem with that result that would require a squad to fix. Looks like a great result to me. Can't win every match. And that's a good perspective to have if games like this are common. I often have to look at a game like that too. It does get frustrating though when you truly want to win a game and the teammates you get don't seem to want it as bad as you do or they are so ineffective, it's like they weren't there to begin with. Steel is in a very high champion league and the MM makes it very hard to get a true win. Sometimes you just want to see the screen turn green instead of red.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 26, 2020 9:29:00 GMT -5
ʂɬɛɛƖ is a beast. And a great soloist. And you don’t notice your facing him because he’s font is so small ? I have to squint my eyes...is that the cholo one? I have no idea tbh...lol one of my clan mates said I needed to not have a boring ign and sent me a bunch of samples. I copy pasted this one OMG, who told you that? That's hilarious. Now that I think of it, many of the VOX players do have the distinctive characters. Vanity of vanities. lol
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 9:33:25 GMT -5
I have no idea tbh...lol one of my clan mates said I needed to not have a boring ign and sent me a bunch of samples. I copy pasted this one OMG, who told you that? That's hilarious. Now that I think of it, many of the VOX players do have the distinctive characters. Vanity of vanities. lol Skyhawk_Delta ?
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 10:07:07 GMT -5
Also not an attack btw. Looks like he legit just murdered everything and his teammates couldn't even keep up. I fail to see the problem with that result that would require a squad to fix. Looks like a great result to me. Can't win every match. And that's a good perspective to have if games like this are common. I often have to look at a game like that too. It does get frustrating though when you truly want to win a game and the teammates you get don't seem to want it as bad as you do or they are so ineffective, it's like they weren't there to begin with. Steel is in a very high champion league and the MM makes it very hard to get a true win. Sometimes you just want to see the screen turn green instead of red. Seems like the MM did it's job to pair much weaker teammates to him to create what I assume (wasn't there) was a somewhat balanced matchup of overall team hangar strength or red vs blue. To do millions more damage than even the #1 and #2 spot on the red team combined or your entire team combined AND still demand a win on top of that seems a little unrealistic for solo play to me. I wasn't there but I can hardly blame the teammates for the MM trying to balance out that hangar against the reds by populating the match with much weaker hangars. Look at it from their perspective. What they must think is a mega whale comes in and steals all their damage, caps and HP. Just look at our rants section.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 10:18:10 GMT -5
Carrier, 1st game today- not fun at all. 3 people with 0 beacons on that map, how is that even possible? Everyone says oh, everyone gets the 2 home beacons, they don’t count. But I got those and center, then all you have to do is hold. Was just me at the end, still had a bot, but was 5 capped and lost
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 10:23:53 GMT -5
They don’t balance by hangar, they do it by cups. Being stuck with teammates who don’t know how to play is a lesson in frustration... my hangar isn’t maxed. My most leveled bot is 2.4. Is my hangar strong, sure it is but all my weapons aren’t 2.12 yet. My Titan isn’t maxed. I just play a lot, have a lot of cups and get stuck with low level players to even things out. It’s not even for me. The game isn’t about those numbers, it’s about winning at the end of the day. You get Au, you get more Ag. It’s no different for me than it is with some low leveled guy getting blasted by more powerful players. The experience is the same, it sucks...
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 10:26:55 GMT -5
They donât balance by hangar, they do it by cups. Being stuck with teammates who donât know how to play is a lesson in frustration... my hangar isnât maxed. My most leveled bot is 2.4. Is my hangar strong, sure it is but all my weapons arenât 2.12 yet. My Titan isnât maxed. I just play a lot, have a lot of cups and get stuck with low level players to even things out. Itâs not even for me. The game isnât about those numbers, itâs about winning at the end of the day. You get Au, you get more Ag. Itâs no different for me than it is with some low leveled guy getting blasted by more powerful players. The experience is the same, it sucks... Post hangar. It sounds like a 「deteriorated bum-bum」 score for that hangar.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 10:31:47 GMT -5
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 10:34:04 GMT -5
That is actually a very, very strong hangar.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 26, 2020 10:34:37 GMT -5
They don’t balance by hangar, they do it by cups. Being stuck with teammates who don’t know how to play is a lesson in frustration... my hangar isn’t maxed. My most leveled bot is 2.4. Is my hangar strong, sure it is but all my weapons aren’t 2.12 yet. My Titan isn’t maxed. I just play a lot, have a lot of cups and get stuck with low level players to even things out. It’s not even for me. The game isn’t about those numbers, it’s about winning at the end of the day. You get Au, you get more Ag. It’s no different for me than it is with some low leveled guy getting blasted by more powerful players. The experience is the same, it sucks... Yeah and with so many folk in Champions League nowadays (they even let ME in!) the amount of low level hangars and, frankly, low skilled players, that populate it means that there is no telling what you will get from game to game. Plus... there is some confusion about the MM when you start dealing with very high cup counts... Check this exchange out in which our friend Replicant reminded me of one of the more obscure calculations done by the MM. TL;DR if you didin't read that... The result is that you can be in the "upper" Champions League and still be considered low Champions League in terms of MM... which allows a level 1.8 hangar that is just squeaking by the threshold from Masters League to be teamed with folk that are in the thick of the best players and hangars as far as cup count. I am sure it is for quick matchups but it can be frustrating AF, I imagine. Here is the meat: IMO, YMMV
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Post by mechtout on Jun 26, 2020 10:43:49 GMT -5
Meh, you learn to play with them. Maxed players all use the same bots and tactics. yeah yeah, i know i have no last stand, so your gonna try to chase me around this wall with your leech or ao jun, lets go for a dance shall we.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 10:46:23 GMT -5
Meh, you learn to play with them. Maxed players all use the same bots and tactics. yeah yeah, i know i have no last stand, so your gonna try to chase me around this wall with your leech or ao jun, lets go for a dance shall we. Precisely this. It gets a little dull though. One of my favorite things in this game is figuring out the legacy counter and then Ag build counter (counter used loosely here) to the new meta thing on the block. It's a strange relationship I have with this game.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 10:47:38 GMT -5
That is actually a very, very strong hangar. It’s something I’ve WORKED very hard for. I’m constantly grinding to improve. And because of that I get worse and worse teammates as my cups increase. My win % has been as low as 14% at times because of solo play. And again, I can’t throw money at this (I don’t have that money anyway if if I was inclined to do so) my only solution would be to play less. I don’t know what your hangar is like, I don’t know what your experience or expectations are, but mine is to have fun playing. Games like this are not fun, plain and simple. Maybe it looks fun compared to others based on numbers but I’d take half of all of that if it made it a win or those numbers and a good and actual competitive game in a loss. Fighting losing battles is just awful
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 10:58:25 GMT -5
That is actually a very, very strong hangar. It’s something I’ve WORKED very hard for. I’m constantly grinding to improve. And because of that I get worse and worse teammates as my cups increase. My win % has been as low as 14% at times because of solo play. And again, I can’t throw money at this (I don’t have that money anyway if if I was inclined to do so) my only solution would be to play less. I don’t know what your hangar is like, I don’t know what your experience or expectations are, but mine is to have fun playing. Games like this are not fun, plain and simple. Maybe it looks fun compared to others based on numbers but I’d take half of all of that if it made it a win or those numbers and a good and actual competitive game in a loss. Fighting losing battles is just awful If winning is your idea of fun then I am sorry to tell you that solo play is not for you. I would just stick to full on squads.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 11:06:24 GMT -5
It’s something I’ve WORKED very hard for. I’m constantly grinding to improve. And because of that I get worse and worse teammates as my cups increase. My win % has been as low as 14% at times because of solo play. And again, I can’t throw money at this (I don’t have that money anyway if if I was inclined to do so) my only solution would be to play less. I don’t know what your hangar is like, I don’t know what your experience or expectations are, but mine is to have fun playing. Games like this are not fun, plain and simple. Maybe it looks fun compared to others based on numbers but I’d take half of all of that if it made it a win or those numbers and a good and actual competitive game in a loss. Fighting losing battles is just awful If winning is your idea of fun then I am sorry to tell you that solo play is not for you. I would just stick to full on squads. I’ve said numerous times I don’t expect to win all the time, that’s not realistic. Do I want to win all the time, of course we all do. But what I find fun are good matches, win or lose. Ones where the beacon bar can’t be seen on either side, or huge come backs. Ones where everyone involved is contributing to the match. These are not those games. These are games where I’m saying where is my team? What are you doing? We need beacons... putting up big numbers in games that you have no chance of winning from the start isn’t fun and anyone who says otherwise is lying or hasn’t experienced it
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 11:36:00 GMT -5
I think the higher the cups you have the less frequently you will see matches with all 12 players with similar cups and less balanced the matches. The closer you are to the bulk of the players in hangar power and cups the more balanced your MM will be and the more frequent the close games. I have frequent close games won or lost by a sliver of the beacon bar in DOM. Rarely do I have total blowouts and it is usually when the MM places a 10k+ player with a bunch or 5k cup randoms against 6-7k cups players. The 10k+ cup player dominates and does million and millions of damage while the rest of us struggle to get in damage in on anything before it is vaporized. Seems to me like the ticket to balanced games until pix can have separate MM for small pool of maxed meta is to not build maxed meta hangars.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 11:39:17 GMT -5
I think the higher the cups you have the less frequently you will see matches with all 12 players with similar cups and less balanced the matches. Which is why you duo...
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Post by [WÎČK] Cap’nAHAB on Jun 26, 2020 11:39:20 GMT -5
When I duo, it is to smash reds and send them “crying to the forums”!
Arrrrrr!
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 26, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -5
I think the higher the cups you have the less frequently you will see matches with all 12 players with similar cups and less balanced the matches. Which is why you duo... Will that increase the quality of the match or just allow you to smash the reds faster? When I see duos they usually dominate. If the goal is a balanced ans close match then how does a duo solve this against randoms?
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 26, 2020 12:53:34 GMT -5
Will that increase the quality of the match or just allow you to smash the reds faster? When I see duos they usually dominate. If the goal is a balanced ans close match then how does a duo solve this against randoms? Even in a Duo, you are not guaranteed an 'easy' match. In fact, I was playing solo earlier this morning and ran into a duo from ONE. They both scored 3.4 million, but lost because the rest of their team disintegrated. They played their butts off because even in a duo when you both score a ridiculous amount and dominate where ever you go, you never know if there's going to be someone on the other team who's going to score 4.2 million and steal the rest of your team's lunch money. (As a side note, I just had my lunch paid for! Yay) lol
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 13:21:15 GMT -5
Most duo matches (at least for high champion players) are actual good matches. A fair amount are really hard. Plus, duos run into other duos regularly so that increases the challenge. As I said in my initial post, if I had 1 competent teammate in that match, I could have won or at least had a good game. I can’t successfully defend 3 beacons by myself, but I can with help. Clan mates understand staying on beacons to defend, pushing, ditching a bot to save a beacon. Have battlefield awareness. I ran duos in my previous clan, when my hangar wasn’t as strong with the same results. The only people that are looking to seal club are tankers, not sure why everyone with a strong hangar gets lumped into that category...
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Post by Loganspawn on Jun 26, 2020 13:47:59 GMT -5
Will that increase the quality of the match or just allow you to smash the reds faster? When I see duos they usually dominate. If the goal is a balanced ans close match then how does a duo solve this against randoms? Even in a Duo, you are not guaranteed an 'easy' match. In fact, I was playing solo earlier this morning and ran into a duo from ONE. They both scored 3.4 million, but lost because the rest of their team disintegrated. They played their butts off because even in a duo when you both score a ridiculous amount and dominate where ever you go, you never know if there's going to be someone on the other team who's going to score 4.2 million and steal the rest of your team's lunch money. (As a side note, I just had my lunch paid for! Yay) lol I have many matches just like this. Matchmaker is like a box of chocolates.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 26, 2020 16:37:36 GMT -5
Duo denied, happens more than you’d think
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Post by Flaminius on Jun 26, 2020 17:36:16 GMT -5
, and use power cells like a junkie even though there is no doubt you will win easily. This is probably the craziest thing. I was in a match the other day getting clan-stomped on TDM We were down 19 to 3, some Phantom was in the spawn-raid party and getting lowish on health. I open up on him and he goes for the PC stealth during reload. Not sure why, they were guaranteed the win. I don't even bother using the PCs unless it's going to clinch a deal. I blame the MM. Ha! Yes! I almost never see a full squad any more in Champs, but when I get a beat down from a load of tankers squadding on my smurf, they love a power cell. 5 beacons down, three players left and two of the reds (who will win in about ten seconds) are in Phase Shift. I'm like "Do you know what cover is mate? It's free to use!"
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Post by Flaminius on Jun 26, 2020 18:01:00 GMT -5
Most duo matches (at least for high champion players) are actual good matches. A fair amount are really hard. Plus, duos run into other duos regularly so that increases the challenge. As I said in my initial post, if I had 1 competent teammate in that match, I could have won or at least had a good game. I can’t successfully defend 3 beacons by myself, but I can with help. Clan mates understand staying on beacons to defend, pushing, ditching a bot to save a beacon. Have battlefield awareness. I ran duos in my previous clan, when my hangar wasn’t as strong with the same results. The only people that are looking to seal club are tankers, not sure why everyone with a strong hangar gets lumped into that category... There's the rub, there aren't enough top Champions to balance out your cups on the red team, so you get the hapless blues. Circa 6k cups seems to be a really nice spot, you (mostly) aren't making up the numbers, and often get a decent game. Half the problem is the power imbalance and the other half is the fact that most of the people who have the fancy gear got hold of it by playing a whole lot of games and are therefore better at using it. A league above Champions that resets to 8-10k cups would be great if they could populate those games in a reasonable amount of time.
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Post by no pain 80 on Jun 26, 2020 18:18:36 GMT -5
Looking at another angle; squad games help one completing clan tasks. I am talking about those that are impossible to complete with solo gaming. How can one get 150 rank points if not in a squad? Or 9.5 m damage from 400m plus? Come on, the only 400 m plus weapon I run is dual avengers and they suck at that range.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 27, 2020 12:09:54 GMT -5
Most duo matches (at least for high champion players) are actual good matches. A fair amount are really hard. Plus, duos run into other duos regularly so that increases the challenge. As I said in my initial post, if I had 1 competent teammate in that match, I could have won or at least had a good game. I can’t successfully defend 3 beacons by myself, but I can with help. Clan mates understand staying on beacons to defend, pushing, ditching a bot to save a beacon. Have battlefield awareness. I ran duos in my previous clan, when my hangar wasn’t as strong with the same results. The only people that are looking to seal club are tankers, not sure why everyone with a strong hangar gets lumped into that category... The MM has no idea what to do with high Champions League players and pairs them to Masters League and low Champions League to balance out the teams which means your teammate can appear to be idiots (actually just very weak) and you get to dominate and do millions and millions of damage but maybe lose. My most recent match. 17k cup player paired to 3 Masters League and 2 5k cup Champions League players against all 5k Champions League players. I don't see it as a bad teammate problem but a MM problem placing high Champions League players with teammates and opponents where they don't belong. Duoing isn't going to solve the bad teammate problem if that is not the problem. None of the reds I faced were bad players. The top red player just had vastly more powerful bots than anyone else and was able to dominate. I honestly I have more sympathy for the Masters League and low Champions League teammates having their game ruined by the MM placing a player on their team that dosent belong there then that player not getting a win while doing 4.something million damage.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jun 27, 2020 12:53:38 GMT -5
Didn’t ask for any sympathy, just offered a reason why you see duos. And matchmaking has nothing to do with the player who camps the corner in Shenzhen, rather than trying to get the beacon, or the players who won’t step foot in the center on yamentau. Players who leave the circle rather than fighting in it. Use their abilities at inopportune times leaving them in bad situations otherwise. Matchmaking sucks for everyone, period. Everyone is trying to win. So if I’m with someone else who knows how to play, there’s a better chance of that happening. I’m not playing for stats, those just happen. But to place the blame solely on matchmaking is not the answer. Poor play contributes way more.
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