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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 11, 2020 9:23:34 GMT -5
I don't like this bot idea.
And... this seems to prove my thought that they have an alternating cycle. OP gear, then balanced, then OP, then balanced... on and on.
I mean, we have Ares, but then there were suppression bots, then Dragons and the Ao Jun, but then the shapeshifters, then Leech, then the Ravana and Nightingale which aren't that bad even if they are top META... but this thing... yeah I don't like this bot. (I know this isn't chronological but I don't have the time to do my normal research to get the timeline right... just going off of gut)
Even knowing that there will be counters and it won't be an absolute 「dookie」 show, most likely... I just don't like it. It's a "fun suck" and they have been adding more and more of those into the game... taking skill and forethought out of the equation more and more. You don't even have to worry about positioning in this... just find your target and hit the magic button and poof... you are there to kill them, behind them, with magic DR. Yay. Much Fun. Much Skill.
I am not worried about how it will play in top meta battles in upper Champions League. But in lower Champions League, Masters League, and EL there will be plenty that go against bots and players that aren... you know what? Nevermind... y'all know the drill. I am just getting a bit more jaded with every new bot release that has non-META killing magical powers. Even when I get said bots I don't enjoy playing them. That is the main problem. Fun first.
I've really been looking at BoT again since they updated... and filling more of my small amounts of game time with console games. But as always... will wait and see.
Meh.
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 9:29:27 GMT -5
Actually I like Ao Mings. I don’t find them broken. They don’t abuse game mechanics. Just big tanks. Cool can deal They turn the game into complete farce, because people just stand there and trade fire. Bots like leech and scorpion break the game. With titans/ Mings there is no game. I dunno about that, I don’t trade fire with Ao Ming, I’m a smash and grab 2md floor guy with them, and my kid, when not being King Konged by Ao Juns, uses cover a lot (even tho he blows at it since he has bad placements)
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 9:31:19 GMT -5
I don't like this bot idea. And... this seems to prove my thought that they have an alternating cycle. OP gear, then balanced, then OP, then balanced... on and on. I mean, we have Ares, but then there were suppression bots, then Dragons and the Ao Jun, but then the shapeshifters, then Leech, then the Ravana and Nightingale which aren't that bad even if they are top META... but this thing... yeah I don't like this bot. (I know this isn't chronological but I don't have the time to do my normal research to get the timeline right... just going off of gut) Even knowing that there will be counters and it won't be an absolute ?dookie? show, most likely... I just don't like it. It's a "fun suck" and they have been adding more and more of those into the game... taking skill and forethought out of the equation more and more. You don't even have to worry about positioning in this... just find your target and hit the magic button and poof... you are there to kill them, behind them, with magic DR. Yay. Much Fun. Much Skill. I am not worried about how it will play in top meta battles in upper Champions League. But in lower Champions League, Masters League, and EL there will be plenty that go against bots and players that aren... you know what? Nevermind... y'all know the drill. I am just getting a bit more jaded with every new bot release that has non-META killing magical powers. Even when I get said bots I don't enjoy playing them. That is the main problem. Fun first. I've really been looking at BoT again since they updated... and filling more of my small amounts of game time with console games. But as always... will wait and see. Meh. I am strongly considering bot.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 9:40:19 GMT -5
They turn the game into complete farce, because people just stand there and trade fire. Bots like leech and scorpion break the game. With titans/ Mings there is no game. I dunno about that, I don’t trade fire with Ao Ming, I’m a smash and grab 2md floor guy with them, and my kid, when not being King Konged by Ao Juns, uses cover a lot (even tho he blows at it since he has bad placements) Yea, I saw your video of waltzing on the top of spaceship and taking out Mings while they are occupied with your teammates. Great for you, but in the games I play this simply wouldn't fly. Most of the times (fortunately) one side is stronger than other, game ends quickly and Ming travesty doesn't last. In the rare balanced games the titans are too slow to make any tactical movements and either try to corner shoot from a cover or just get tired of it and trade fire.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 11, 2020 9:53:58 GMT -5
I dunno about that, I donât trade fire with Ao Ming, Iâm a smash and grab 2md floor guy with them, and my kid, when not being King Konged by Ao Juns, uses cover a lot (even tho he blows at it since he has bad placements) Yea, I saw your video of waltzing on the top of spaceship and taking out Mings while they are occupied with your teammates. Great for you, but in the games I play this simply wouldn't fly. Most of the times (fortunately) one side is stronger than other, game ends quickly and Ming travesty doesn't last. In the rare balanced games the titans are too slow to make any tactical movements and either try to corner shoot from a cover or just get tired of it and trade fire. I moved my Loki to my main hangar to take Phanty's place just for this reason. It's won 3 out of the 4 games where I have had to use it now. But yeah, I see the same thing. Lots of "shoot the other guy" and 「fluffernutter」 all about the bacon. Granted, I play Dom a LOT more than BR so it's a more pronounced problem since you can't spawn a Titan anywhere near a battle if there isn't action going on at spawn.
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 9:57:12 GMT -5
I dunno about that, I donât trade fire with Ao Ming, Iâm a smash and grab 2md floor guy with them, and my kid, when not being King Konged by Ao Juns, uses cover a lot (even tho he blows at it since he has bad placements) Yea, I saw your video of waltzing on the top of spaceship and taking out Mings while they are occupied with your teammates. Great for you, but in the games I play this simply wouldn't fly. Most of the times (fortunately) one side is stronger than other, game ends quickly and Ming travesty doesn't last. In the rare balanced games the titans are too slow to make any tactical movements and either try to corner shoot from a cover or just get tired of it and trade fire.  Well, I do think the match maker plays a big role In the stupidity. I would be very surprised if it was not designed to elicit rage. That said, one Thing I have learned , is that patience, followed by decisive movements often win games. When you control the rage, you can start to control the game. That is what really made the difference for me breaking g past 2m avg damage. It fluctuates over and below it, but I suspect I will be able to consistently pass and hold that barrier soon without the use of a titan I believe (and I could be wrong), that most of the big 2.8-3m+ scores are obviously from Ming smashers, and Iâll find that out should I go that route myself, But take it from me, itâs not totally insurmountable. You can be neo, to a degree. How far, I donât know. But thatâs the reason I play; how far can I go, smashing pay to win 「meow」? Can I reach the singularity where I surpass them in totality ? ( no scam, ps, meta etc) can my mind game defeat them in all ways? Thatâs the test
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Post by CrownBlack on May 11, 2020 9:58:27 GMT -5
Honestly i thought the Titans would push me out of the game and it hasn't. This freaking bot just might because in theory it could make the game un-playable. Just think about not being able to get out of spawn because a squad of them just wiped out your first drop....I am hoping I am wrong...
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 10:09:22 GMT -5
Honestly i thought the Titans would push me out of the game and it hasn't. This freaking bot just might because in theory i could make the game un-playable. Just think about not being able to get out of spawn because a squad of them just wiped out your first drop....I am hoping I am wrong... Your not wrong, however it will take some time-except top S and A clans-for there to be enough Scorpions to be death squad level. Think about how the game will be, however, when Scorpion is general use, and in WS.....just an example....how many AJs are flying around every battle, even down in Silver and Gold leagues? Soon, that will be Goldies and Scorpions.....up in Masters and Champs, oh brother!
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 10:12:41 GMT -5
Honestly i thought the Titans would push me out of the game and it hasn't. This freaking bot just might because in theory i could make the game un-playable. Just think about not being able to get out of spawn because a squad of them just wiped out your first drop....I am hoping I am wrong... Your not wrong, however it will take some time-except top S and A clans-for there to be enough Scorpions to be death squad level. Think about how the game will be, however, when Scorpion is general use, and in WS.....just an example....how many AJs are flying around every battle, even down in Silver and Gold leagues? Soon, that will be Goldies and Scorpions.....up in Masters and Champs, oh brother! The game is already unplayable in my opinion for certain bots. It is nearly unplayable for fringe meta. I’m even seeing ares trains again. All not good things
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 11, 2020 10:15:14 GMT -5
Honestly i thought the Titans would push me out of the game and it hasn't. This freaking bot just might because in theory i could make the game un-playable. Just think about not being able to get out of spawn because a squad of them just wiped out your first drop....I am hoping I am wrong... There will be counters... there always are. Whether you can put together a counter or not is a different question. Phase Shift, DR mitigation (corrosive weapons early game, Titans late game), Stealth, counter DR, flight, etc., all seem possible options. Even a Merc could jump up as soon as it sees the red behind them. Battlefield awareness is going to have to be heightened to play against them... and may be enough to allow counter play... but damn it's just a Blech move by Pix IMO. Remember, if they can be forced to teleport back away from you for some reason, they lose their DR. And if you can't get out of spawn before they get within 500m then start with a different bot. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 10:18:52 GMT -5
Your not wrong, however it will take some time-except top S and A clans-for there to be enough Scorpions to be death squad level. Think about how the game will be, however, when Scorpion is general use, and in WS.....just an example....how many AJs are flying around every battle, even down in Silver and Gold leagues? Soon, that will be Goldies and Scorpions.....up in Masters and Champs, oh brother! The game is already unplayable in my opinion for certain bots. It is nearly unplayable for fringe meta. I’m even seeing ares trains again. All not good things Ares train is good counter foe Noodles and Mings....the little bots have the option of equipping SB......If Titans don’t het Quantum Radar to defend from AJs, then I doubt Titan SB would happen anytime soon..... Ive done pretty ok with taser Golem and Ice Man Leo, for kicks....but they melt just looking at top meta and balloons...... My anti everything is coming along... It is no joke....this thing is getting strong as heck! I’ve ever drooped Arthur’s by myself.....Scorpion won’t bother my Fenrir! One down, 4 to go, lol!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 10:34:40 GMT -5
It is no joke....this thing is getting strong as heck! I’ve ever drooped Arthur’s by myself..... Yup!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 13:40:51 GMT -5
Funny note....if Scorpion pops to a flyer, it materializes in the air, and then falls, lol
Bad news for Mings is, videos show Scorpion destroying Mings.....just can’t believe Pix would introduces a little bot that kills top $$$$$$$ Titans. Arthur does much better because of shields, duh....
Glad I don’t have a Ming.....when the top dogs start doing the I Dream Of Jennie thing, maybe like 10 at once.....man, I hope someone gets videos of that!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 19:37:19 GMT -5
Yea, I saw your video of waltzing on the top of spaceship and taking out Mings while they are occupied with your teammates. Great for you, but in the games I play this simply wouldn't fly. Most of the times (fortunately) one side is stronger than other, game ends quickly and Ming travesty doesn't last. In the rare balanced games the titans are too slow to make any tactical movements and either try to corner shoot from a cover or just get tired of it and trade fire.  Well, I do think the match maker plays a big role In the stupidity. I would be very surprised if it was not designed to elicit rage. That said, one Thing I have learned , is that patience, followed by decisive movements often win games. When you control the rage, you can start to control the game. That, imo, is the problem. Not the rage part, but the fact that War Robots is becoming a game of waiting. Either waiting for ability to end or waiting for the right opportunity to move. I've had games where I lasted in my first bot entire game and then when others were botting out I was grabbing a beacon. That's no fun to me. Of course, this is personal preference but I'd prefer a game where calculated risky move is rewarded but right now what is rewarded is patiently waiting in the back with longer range weapon. That and of course latest p2w bot ability.
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 20:09:47 GMT -5
Well, I do think the match maker plays a big role In the stupidity. I would be very surprised if it was not designed to elicit rage. That said, one Thing I have learned , is that patience, followed by decisive movements often win games. When you control the rage, you can start to control the game. That, imo, is the problem. Not the rage part, but the fact that War Robots is becoming a game of waiting. Either waiting for ability to end or waiting for the right opportunity to move. I've had games where I lasted in my first bot entire game and then when others were botting out I was grabbing a beacon. That's no fun to me. Of course, this is personal preference but I'd prefer a game where calculated risky move is rewarded but right now what is rewarded is patiently waiting in the back with longer range weapon. That and of course latest p2w bot ability. Yes, I agree about the waiting. A game is often decided in one of two key beacons, and a single robot can hold it by masturbating his win button and ps. That’s pretty lame. And because of that, those games are dead. On arrival
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Post by linearblade on May 11, 2020 20:11:11 GMT -5
Funny note....if Scorpion pops to a flyer, it materializes in the air, and then falls, lol Bad news for Mings is, videos show Scorpion destroying Mings.....just canât believe Pix would introduces a little bot that kills top $$$$$$$ Titans. Arthur does much better because of shields, duh.... Glad I donât have a Ming.....when the top dogs start doing the I Dream Of Jennie thing, maybe like 10 at once.....man, I hope someone gets videos of that! I think thatâs awesome. Best way to unite p2w and F2P is 「fluffernutter」 everyone over, will get progress on game fast
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 21:06:39 GMT -5
Funny note....if Scorpion pops to a flyer, it materializes in the air, and then falls, lol Bad news for Mings is, videos show Scorpion destroying Mings.....just can’t believe Pix would introduces a little bot that kills top $$$$$$$ Titans. Arthur does much better because of shields, duh.... Glad I don’t have a Ming.....when the top dogs start doing the I Dream Of Jennie thing, maybe like 10 at once.....man, I hope someone gets videos of that! I think Cryo weapons bypass Arthur's shield...
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 21:07:21 GMT -5
Well, I do think the match maker plays a big role In the stupidity. I would be very surprised if it was not designed to elicit rage. That said, one Thing I have learned , is that patience, followed by decisive movements often win games. When you control the rage, you can start to control the game. That, imo, is the problem. Not the rage part, but the fact that War Robots is becoming a game of waiting. Either waiting for ability to end or waiting for the right opportunity to move. I've had games where I lasted in my first bot entire game and then when others were botting out I was grabbing a beacon. That's no fun to me. Of course, this is personal preference but I'd prefer a game where calculated risky move is rewarded but right now what is rewarded is patiently waiting in the back with longer range weapon. That and of course latest p2w bot ability. This is why I don't like using Ao Juns myself...
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Post by tolmyking on May 11, 2020 21:08:14 GMT -5
Funny note....if Scorpion pops to a flyer, it materializes in the air, and then falls, lol Bad news for Mings is, videos show Scorpion destroying Mings.....just can’t believe Pix would introduces a little bot that kills top $$$$$$$ Titans. Arthur does much better because of shields, duh.... Glad I don’t have a Ming.....when the top dogs start doing the I Dream Of Jennie thing, maybe like 10 at once.....man, I hope someone gets videos of that! I think Cryo weapons bypass Arthur's shield... I was literally thinking about getting the pass to get Arthur but guess not lol
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 12, 2020 3:13:53 GMT -5
Honestly i thought the Titans would push me out of the game and it hasn't. This freaking bot just might because in theory it could make the game un-playable. Just think about not being able to get out of spawn because a squad of them just wiped out your first drop....I am hoping I am wrong... I think if they lower the DR to 50% or less, it'd be a lot more manageable. And while they're at it, nerf the teleport range from 500 to 300m, right into brawling range.
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Post by bravex on May 12, 2020 5:46:49 GMT -5
Everyone is understandably focused on the terrible spawn raids that we will surely see but I foresee even more sneaky treachery.
Imagine you have just capped a beacon for your team. As you confidently walk away, a Scorpion teleports in behind you and takes the beacon back.
I think we should get some kind of warning that a Scorpion is teleporting in. A sound or maybe a visual clue. Many other robots such as the Pantheon bots have obvious displays near the pilot name. This lets you ID the threat and prepare yourself.
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Post by BlackGrouse on May 12, 2020 6:00:26 GMT -5
I think we should get some kind of warning that a Scorpion is teleporting in. A sound or maybe a visual clue. Yes, I agree 100% to that ! Visual warning might be the best if/when playing without the sounds. Or then Pixonic could make Scorpion be a Silver robot. Then no one complains nothing for a little while lol!
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Post by Wife is Pissed on May 12, 2020 6:20:28 GMT -5
If you feel the urge to leave your less flattery opinion about the scorpion, let’s leave it here to keep the Objective scorpion Thread clean enough to be useful for analysis. Leaving out of Objective Scorpion discussion thread, because I want to have objective discussion there,.. I see we are of a similar persuasion of making Rants the new free[r] speech zone of the forums. I salute you and look forward to more interactions in this subforum!
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Post by linearblade on May 12, 2020 6:51:56 GMT -5
If you feel the urge to leave your less flattery opinion about the scorpion, let’s leave it here to keep the Objective scorpion Thread clean enough to be useful for analysis. Leaving out of Objective Scorpion discussion thread, because I want to have objective discussion there,.. I see we are of a similar persuasion of making Rants the new free[r] speech zone of the forums. I salute you and look forward to more interactions in this subforum! Yes. Rants should be named free speech zone and General discussion. Should be renamed cheerleading discussion
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 7:35:21 GMT -5
Funny note....if Scorpion pops to a flyer, it materializes in the air, and then falls, lol Bad news for Mings is, videos show Scorpion destroying Mings.....just can’t believe Pix would introduces a little bot that kills top $$$$$$$ Titans. Arthur does much better because of shields, duh.... Glad I don’t have a Ming.....when the top dogs start doing the I Dream Of Jennie thing, maybe like 10 at once.....man, I hope someone gets videos of that! I think Cryo weapons bypass Arthur's shield... Splash...not all of it. Mings take all of it with much less hit points. Max Mings, of course, last longer. My point is very few times has one of my little bots been able to down a Titan alone.....but Scorpion can, pop in blast pop out pop in blast dead Ming......if I hadn’t seen it myself, several examples, I would have called bs......but, I did see it. keep in mind, also, this is TS.....so it may be a selling deal.....reality will be live in game, then we will know what we need to do to cure the latest disease Pix has plagued us with, again.....never thought I’d look at Pix as a Pandemic.......
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 7:37:43 GMT -5
I think Cryo weapons bypass Arthur's shield... I was literally thinking about getting the pass to get Arthur but guess not lol If I had saved Pt, I would get Arthur or Noddles.....I have Arthur, very good brawl Titan. Personally I see Mings as too easy and boring, plus they are being abused since Pix built in said plasma abuse......
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 7:39:51 GMT -5
Everyone is understandably focused on the terrible spawn raids that we will surely see but I foresee even more sneaky treachery. Imagine you have just capped a beacon for your team. As you confidently walk away, a Scorpion teleports in behind you and takes the beacon back. I think we should get some kind of warning that a Scorpion is teleporting in. A sound or maybe a visual clue. Many other robots such as the Pantheon bots have obvious displays near the pilot name. This lets you ID the threat and prepare yourself. Yup...I’ve mentioned my team pushes, then see our spawn beacons Turing....now all reds behind us....gonna be very difficult. A warning? Pretty sure when you spin around to see who is shooting the crap out of you will be your warning, lol!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 8:40:55 GMT -5
I see we are of a similar persuasion of making Rants the new free[r] speech zone of the forums. I salute you and look forward to more interactions in this subforum! Yes. Rants should be named free speech zone and General discussion. Should be renamed cheerleading discussion After first moderation changes I thought that rants will be the only section that I keep visiting because GD will be too "sanitized". But then I thought that maybe it's for the better because too much complaining about the same things over and over is not good either. But now it seems they are tightening again, felt like the Ravana thread got dropped too quickly and over too little, imo. What I'm also seeing is that some people not only mind the so called "negativity", but also any kind of argument. I guess it's taken as a sign of disrespect to be contradicted. Oh well, forum is just like War Robots: very little influence over it and it boils down to "take it or leave" at some point.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on May 12, 2020 9:43:18 GMT -5
I see we are of a similar persuasion of making Rants the new free[r] speech zone of the forums. I salute you and look forward to more interactions in this subforum! Yes. Rants should be named free speech zone and General discussion. Should be renamed cheerleading discussion Aye, I third renaming or creating a new section entirely calling it Free Speech Zone or No Need To Hold Back Zone. Anyone can say whatever they want, full of debates are encouraged rather than limiting what's said cause people's feelings are getting hurt.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 10:35:36 GMT -5
Yes. Rants should be named free speech zone and General discussion. Should be renamed cheerleading discussion Aye, I third renaming or creating a new section entirely calling it Free Speech Zone or No Need To Hold Back Zone. Anyone can say whatever they want, full of debates are encouraged rather than limiting what's said cause people's feelings are getting hurt. I get what all the hubbub is about, however no section should entitle anyone to show disrespect, name and shame, or promote personal attacks on others for any reason,,..there is plenty of that crap out there IRL! IMO the similarities of the forum and War Robots is if it makes you hate, or feel unfairly treated....quit! No one makes a body post in forums.....besides, at least the forum is not pay to post! Many pay to be mistreated in War Robots, lol
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