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Post by linearblade on Mar 28, 2020 4:05:01 GMT -5
I’m curious, especially with non iOS crowds, on their feelings towards game balance post merge.
I imagine if meta gear isn’t as prevalent on your server, you may not feel as strongly about it.
But now, it may or may not be more prevalent. And more or less enjoyable as a resukt
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Mar 28, 2020 4:17:37 GMT -5
Here Game lasted less than 2 minutes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 4:19:19 GMT -5
I am IOS, and Iâm seeing much, much more variation on the field - Leoâs, Griffins, Haechi - rather than the almost universal wall of Leeches and Phantoms I encountered previously. That said, some bots are still broken / overpowered and simply ruin the game - the Plasma Ming being the most obvious. So, some better games, but the usual bull「dookie」 on a regular basis too.
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Post by blackheart on Mar 28, 2020 4:23:26 GMT -5
im seeing a lot more last stands on bots and everywhere i look there is an aojun.
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Post by milty72 on Mar 28, 2020 4:27:08 GMT -5
I've not noticed any change.
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Post by hyderier on Mar 28, 2020 4:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 28, 2020 4:30:26 GMT -5
Here Game lasted less than 2 minutes How does that one squading red ‘Ghost’ get keys while none of the other squad members do? Can squads be mixed platform now?
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Mar 28, 2020 4:51:05 GMT -5
Same as before. Slightly more variety in the Master League though. But overall AJs and Leech still rule the roost.
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Post by moses on Mar 28, 2020 5:32:28 GMT -5
Balance of teams has not got better - still massive skills / hangar gaps.
I remember at some point Android players on here used to talk about how much better they were than iOS... Definitely haven’t seen that.
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Post by integeritis on Mar 28, 2020 5:33:26 GMT -5
Here Game lasted less than 2 minutes How does that one squading red ‘Ghost’ get keys while none of the other squad members do? Can squads be mixed platform now? I think they are all in the LPQ except that one guy who is pulling them out for the squad match to be in normal queue. On topic: Enemies became a lot weaker in Expert league. A lot of Leos, Griffins. MM itself is not better, the the range it picks from is still very wide. However games are more enjoyable thanks to the Android players, because you are not punished as hard for not using new bots (post dash). Finally I can use my Aphex Griffin and not die after hitting the first meta bot who gets triggered by me! AJs are still the most common meta bot here, I welcome the nerf even though I have one for getting rid of Titans. A weaker Ao Jun is better for every old bot
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Post by linearblade on Mar 28, 2020 6:23:23 GMT -5
I’m curious If the non iOS players will change their collective tune regarding meta bots after merged a while.
I have a suspicion it was never as bad as it was on iOS. And now that iOS can inflict its misery everywhere, we’ll see how long everyone else tolerated it.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Mar 28, 2020 6:31:39 GMT -5
Nothing really changed after the merge... I don't see any difference between different platform players. What did change is the number of max meta players, and with it, the probability of becoming a cannon fodder for them. Both went up. Same old story with the MM, only now, casual players are getting stomped twice as much, by whalers from all platforms.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 28, 2020 6:44:14 GMT -5
I've noticed more AJs, phantoms and leeches, and more last stands, although that could just be the difference from going from expert to masters. Once the merger happened I was a lot stronger than the average player in expert and I rocketed up to masters but once there my lancelots struggled with the number of meta bots. The only lance I'm using now is the ancilot which still does ok, as does the fury. If Ao Jun got a nerf to its flamer the lancelots would be usable again.
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Post by cookieDad on Mar 28, 2020 6:49:52 GMT -5
Slightly more balanced games possibly, meaning some nice games that can last a while. It does seems that iOS players are a little bit more to capturing beacons, but not by much. Also if I see a maxed AM, it relatively often is an iOS player (considering that Android has more Champions League players than iOS), so it seems that iOS has more big spenders. Not necessarily more skill, but sure bigger pocket (inherent to having the most expensive hardware I assume). Overall the merge is an improvement for me, I am still doing as before, not worse, not better, just on average more enjoyable games. For once Pix has done something right.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Mar 28, 2020 6:58:38 GMT -5
I’m curious If the non iOS players will change their collective tune regarding meta bots after merged a while. I have a suspicion it was never as bad as it was on iOS. And now that iOS can inflict its misery everywhere, we’ll see how long everyone else tolerated it. Yup, I’ve stated a few times (only somewhat jokingly) that iOS non-Whales have to compete with more maxed meta hangers than Android. Ergo, we are a tougher, scrappier crowd that has a real taste for bacon. idk, maybe the droid crowd is more into tofu and doesn’t really like bacon that much. I’d be interested in seeing the platform spending stats, I suspect that iOS crowd spends more.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Mar 28, 2020 7:20:42 GMT -5
For me, it’s hard to really know because Server Merger month happened to coincide w my self-imposed Fabulously Furious Falcon Force Five hanger. So two major variables changed and there is no data-licious way to know for sure which is more impactful. Whether it’s Falcons or Merger, for me: Win rate and average damage are up 10-20% overall New record high damage, up about 10% (which was previously done w 2 AJs in my hanger) MM is still fundamentally flawed, but the larger player pool dilutes its ugliness King of the Dip[dookies] cross over was much higher (illustrated below) occurring around Champions League 5/6 vs Champions League 10/12 under iOS only Even with those craptastic MM battles, my win rate is 52% atm (in Champions League V), was NEVER that high once I moved into high Champions League territory. King of the Dip[dookies]. With a high Cups count, MM has less for the rest of your team, leading to more of these kinds of matches.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 28, 2020 7:33:20 GMT -5
I HOPE things are better for the F2P guys and gals.
Yesterday I saw an Ao Qin pop-up early in Dead City. I tasered him so hard from around 500m I felt bad about it. "Man, he does not belong here. Not fair." I can still smell burnt paint and that bitter odor of white hot metal. Sad.
My clan mate reported yesterday (platform independent) that they were 5-capped on Crash Site and other than him EVERYBODY was on the roof. O.M.G. And I thought I behaved like a noob.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Mar 28, 2020 7:42:44 GMT -5
I HOPE things are better for the F2P guys and gals. Yesterday I saw an Ao Qin pop-up early in Dead City. I tasered him so hard from around 500m I felt bad about it. "Man, he does not belong here. Not fair." I can still smell burnt paint and that bitter odor of white hot metal. Sad. My clan mate reported yesterday (platform independent) that they were 5-capped on Crash Site and other than him EVERYBODY was on the roof. O.M.G. And I thought I behaved like a noob. Lol. Yeah, I see a lot more players living a bacon-free diet since the merger. The number of times I find myself screaming âThe beacon is right 「fluffernutter」ing there you moronâ is beyond counting now. On the flip side, I snag 5 Au more frequently.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 28, 2020 7:46:43 GMT -5
On the flip side, I snag 5 Au more frequently.
"Always look on the bright side of life..."
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Post by mechtout on Mar 28, 2020 7:53:07 GMT -5
Its the same. Ios players just trying to find a way to toot their own horn
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Post by psychopsyd on Mar 28, 2020 9:47:30 GMT -5
I’m curious If the non iOS players will change their collective tune regarding meta bots after merged a while. I have a suspicion it was never as bad as it was on iOS. And now that iOS can inflict its misery everywhere, we’ll see how long everyone else tolerated it. If our "tune" was that Ao Jun, LEECH and MING suck to play against and are way too expensive to load up on...same song. (And I will keep playing it as the Iceberg chills the water around the ship.) If a commander's game is based around expensive bots and weps and pilot skills and modules, well, good for the Commander. Just, please, do not attempt to call this superior skill as a pilot. If my equipment will not keep me in Champions League...then MASTER it is. The game has a built in leveling system for tightwads like me. If I can't (read: won't) spend a car payment a month to keep up with wallet warriors, then I will play from the "cheap seats" where I am competitive. So far, I'm still in Champions League. (I SERIOUSLY needed to alter my tactics/strategy/weps loadout/thought process.) If I drop to MASTER, you may read complaints saying I'm tanking...not for long as PIXO does an upward push. Please do not confuse this post for "calling someone out" or a rant against "the unfairness of life". My INQUISITOR is mk2lvl7 with a Capt pilot and high level weps...most MASTER pilots, and quite a few Champions League, will not enjoy fighting it and I don't lose sleep about killing them.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Mar 28, 2020 9:56:35 GMT -5
Same as before. There were low master on both sides after every match. I'm at 8K cups in Android. Those lower masters were from all platform.
So the merger change nothing to MM. It still sucks.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 28, 2020 10:10:07 GMT -5
Its the same. Ios players just trying to find a way to toot their own horn
I bet you if 4 months ago the iOS players got in a mood to whine about bad beacon play on iOS there would have been plenty to whine about. I suspect the noob play style vs good play style ratio is VERY close for iOS and Android.
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Post by linearblade on Mar 28, 2020 10:42:32 GMT -5
I’m curious If the non iOS players will change their collective tune regarding meta bots after merged a while. I have a suspicion it was never as bad as it was on iOS. And now that iOS can inflict its misery everywhere, we’ll see how long everyone else tolerated it. If our "tune" was that Ao Jun, LEECH and MING suck to play against and are way too expensive to load up on...same song. (And I will keep playing it as the Iceberg chills the water around the ship.) If a commander's game is based around expensive bots and weps and pilot skills and modules, well, good for the Commander. Just, please, do not attempt to call this superior skill as a pilot. If my equipment will not keep me in Champions League...then MASTER it is. The game has a built in leveling system for tightwads like me. If I can't (read: won't) spend a car payment a month to keep up with wallet warriors, then I will play from the "cheap seats" where I am competitive. So far, I'm still in Champions League. (I SERIOUSLY needed to alter my tactics/strategy/weps loadout/thought process.) If I drop to MASTER, you may read complaints saying I'm tanking...not for long as PIXO does an upward push. Please do not confuse this post for "calling someone out" or a rant against "the unfairness of life". My INQUISITOR is mk2lvl7 with a Capt pilot and high level weps...most MASTER pilots, and quite a few Champions League, will not enjoy fighting it and I don't lose sleep about killing them. Nono, I think people misunderstand. I suspect iOS has a very high dollars spent per capita, vs other servers. As such, I think the blatant p2w problems with meta bots becomes apparent faster than on other servers. Example; if there are only 10% top meta in a game, then leeches would not likely be blamed for bad matchups as much as a game where 75% is top meta. So I suspect the attitude of players varied by server. I’m curious now what those plYers think now that they are thrown in the grinder with everyone else.
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Post by mechtout on Mar 28, 2020 11:16:09 GMT -5
If the number of maxed players, meaning MKII plus bells and whistles, is similar between servers, then Android won't notice any difference considering IOS Champions League is approx 15K population and Android is approx 30K population. IOS could have a higher percentage of maxed players in a smaller population, numbers wise its like dropping a handful in a giant Android world.
Edit: This is from a solo player perspective.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Mar 28, 2020 11:18:23 GMT -5
I will always think it's stupid that if i catch Champ flat footed, I don't do as much damage as I do to master. And no, it's not some special ability added. It's how the RNG/MM works. And really my experience is-stupid is not higher or lower in IOS or Android-it's everywhere.
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Post by psychopsyd on Mar 28, 2020 11:22:43 GMT -5
If our "tune" was that Ao Jun, LEECH and MING suck to play against and are way too expensive to load up on...same song. (And I will keep playing it as the Iceberg chills the water around the ship.) If a commander's game is based around expensive bots and weps and pilot skills and modules, well, good for the Commander. Just, please, do not attempt to call this superior skill as a pilot. If my equipment will not keep me in Champions League...then MASTER it is. The game has a built in leveling system for tightwads like me. If I can't (read: won't) spend a car payment a month to keep up with wallet warriors, then I will play from the "cheap seats" where I am competitive. So far, I'm still in Champions League. (I SERIOUSLY needed to alter my tactics/strategy/weps loadout/thought process.) If I drop to MASTER, you may read complaints saying I'm tanking...not for long as PIXO does an upward push. Please do not confuse this post for "calling someone out" or a rant against "the unfairness of life". My INQUISITOR is mk2lvl7 with a Capt pilot and high level weps...most MASTER pilots, and quite a few Champions League, will not enjoy fighting it and I don't lose sleep about killing them. Nono, I think people misunderstand. I suspect iOS has a very high dollars spent per capita, vs other servers. As such, I think the blatant p2w problems with meta bots becomes apparent faster than on other servers. Example; if there are only 10% top meta in a game, then leeches would not likely be blamed for bad matchups as much as a game where 75% is top meta. So I suspect the attitude of players varied by server. Iâm curious now what those plYers think now that they are thrown in the grinder with everyone else. If the world was perfect... someone would 「female dog」 about there being nothing to 「female dog」 about... My own playstyle is a bigger problem to me than "Uber meta bots made of can't-killium"... Admittedly, Ao Jun, PHANTOM,and AM are a pain, and I LOATHE LEECHES.(BROKEN RECORD ALERT: If the LEECH shield was structured like PANTHEON shields and its firepower more like an ARES, I would hate them less.) PIXO artificially maintaining the population of Champions League is what generates the huge mismatches. If it took hundreds of dollars to GET to Champions League...only spenders would be there. Then actually talented spenders would obliterate the wallet warriors. The real torture would come if, upon arrival at Champions League.. you had to stay there for 3 months...no matter how many rank points you lost...spend $$/get crushed LOL. But that is pure fantasy... Might be interesting if PIXO built a bonus system for honor points based on "meta-ness" of bots...ie: LEECH=1.0 HP/ROGATKA=1.5HP. More fantasy...
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Post by aaronc on Mar 28, 2020 16:10:27 GMT -5
Since the merger my rating Is the highest it has ever been, and I hit my top damage. There are AJs simply everywhere and, having still not built one, I often feel like the odd one out! I’d have to say I enjoy the game more since the merger.
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Post by zombiewolf907 on Mar 28, 2020 20:38:44 GMT -5
I do feel about the same; however, seems like I experience a few really weird marches everyday. I am used to players approaching a match in a fairly systematic process even without commas. More hectic and less coordination. Could just be my imagination.
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Post by analyte on Mar 28, 2020 20:53:38 GMT -5
Overall, not a lot of change in balance for me.
That said, I've been getting some terrible random teamates from expert to Champion. I'm low champ, around 6k cups, and it seems like some people still don't know how to win or don't care if they win or not.
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