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Post by blackheart on Mar 25, 2020 11:12:24 GMT -5
After facing plasma mings in 4 back to back games yesterday, I figured I needed a Ming counter in my hangar. i have a leech and am cooking a raven in the ws ( 7000 comps) I gained insight into the Molot leech from Oliver Kloesov and biancabashbots but had a question , why not Molot raven ? 4 x molot ts (1.10) on a leech with 3 max nuclear reactors do 304,192 cycle damage. 2x molots and 2x Molot ts (1.10) on a raven with 2 max nuclear reactors do 243,734 cycle damage. With 20% damage boost for 8s after a jump that’s 16s after 2 jumps timed right so the cycle damage increases to 288,270. The raven offers much better mobility and has greater hp. so what do I go for ? Molot leech or Molot raven
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Post by CravenSouls on Mar 25, 2020 11:24:50 GMT -5
Leech is faster on the ground and offers a defense system against other regular robots.
Raven is faster in the air for offense or defense. Its also a lot more fun.
I would go Leech for results but Raven for fun.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 25, 2020 11:26:02 GMT -5
Well as my good friend Albert Einstein used to tell me, "Ollie, more is better."
Deep words from a brilliant man.
I like the Leech better. More gun thingies, plus princess beam. But! Duh, if you're so much closer and cheaper to fielding a Raven then go for that. The mobility is something you may really be able to harness. Cool stuff like death mark at 599m and then jump back? Sweeeet. Leeches dream of this maneuver.
If you have unlimited funds, Leech. I have 2 x nukes + an Last Stand. Too often I get surprised and I need the crutch of Last Stand. I may try 3 x nukes again but I'm a little reckless.
Have phun and report back to us. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:38:36 GMT -5
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Post by CrownBlack on Mar 25, 2020 11:41:07 GMT -5
I mean if you had a Spectre lying around you could throw molots on that especially if the point is to have some distance. I however after coming across this thread will use my other leech for a molot gunship and see what happens. I have more pressing things to upgrade first but will get to the Molo-Leech soon after.
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Post by Koalabear on Mar 25, 2020 11:54:27 GMT -5
I'm thinking Leech. More firepower and while your DR is countered by DM, at least you'll be repulsing damage back to the AM or to another red.
I'm planning on using my newly acquired Ancient Tyr with Molots down the road when I get to upgrading it and some weapons. At least the physical shield will help block some shots if the AM gets into 600m range.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 12:32:20 GMT -5
I mean if you had a Spectre lying around you could throw molots on that especially if the point is to have some distance. I however after coming across this thread will use my other leech for a molot gunship and see what happens. I have more pressing things to upgrade first but will get to the Molo-Leech soon after. I did that, then switched to brawl with 4x Tarans.....more fun and kills. Be fun to try 4x Cryo......if that is the medium one....
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Post by RightOn on Mar 25, 2020 13:33:07 GMT -5
If I was using molots I'd opt for the Leech. I don't really like leech but it's fine for the occasion. Main reason being the molots cycle is pretty long for the Raven jumps. Then if reload and jump cycles get in the way, the only benefit I can think of is getting closer to a double jump.
My Raven runs marquess/hussar. You get a lot quicker 'pop' with that loadout, no reloads either - bare in mind it will take a long time and a lot of resources to obtain them. This isn't a build for killing Titans though. It will do a little but it's better to focus on the regular bots getting your beacons.
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Post by RightOn on Mar 25, 2020 13:38:10 GMT -5
I'm thinking Leech. More firepower and while your DR is countered by DM, at least you'll be repulsing damage back to the AM or to another red. I'm planning on using my newly acquired Ancient Tyr with Molots down the road when I get to upgrading it and some weapons. At least the physical shield will help block some shots if the AM gets into 600m range. The problem with that is Tyr loses a bunch of speed with the shield up. So it's really one step forward and one step backward. Tyr should be focused on healing more than anything, and lockdown support preferred with pulsar/shredders.
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Post by RightOn on Mar 25, 2020 13:40:10 GMT -5
I mean if you had a Spectre lying around you could throw molots on that especially if the point is to have some distance. I however after coming across this thread will use my other leech for a molot gunship and see what happens. I have more pressing things to upgrade first but will get to the Molo-Leech soon after. Spectre would be fine, but it's far more tender than Leech. I mean, it probably doesn't make a difference for the application, it's like one split second difference. If you get into 600M, you're dead regardless. The alphas will chew straight through DR.
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Post by Beerhog on Mar 25, 2020 15:35:39 GMT -5
I say molot leech is better. You will save on pilot skills that way. Speedshooter and sharpshooter pilot skills will apply for all molot Ts on your leech. With Raven you'll need to make a choice which molots get those skills. Unfortunately for all molot builds those skills are a must. If you run a weapon damage excel worksheet provided in tips and advice section of this forum you'll see that both builds provide the same damage output but only if raven gets 20% boost while in air. If you are shooting up aiming at ao ming, you don't need a jump ability. In conclusion molot T Leech is superior build
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Post by Deadeye on Mar 25, 2020 16:30:13 GMT -5
After facing plasma mings in 4 back to back games yesterday, I figured I needed a Ming counter in my hangar. i have a leech and am cooking a raven in the ws ( 7000 comps) I gained insight into the Molot leech from Oliver Kloesov and biancabashbots but had a question , why not Molot raven ? 4 x molot ts (1.10) on a leech with 3 max nuclear reactors do 304,192 cycle damage. 2x molots and 2x Molot ts (1.10) on a raven with 2 max nuclear reactors do 243,734 cycle damage. With 20% damage boost for 8s after a jump that’s 16s after 2 jumps timed right so the cycle damage increases to 288,270. The raven offers much better mobility and has greater hp. so what do I go for ? Molot leech or Molot raven Another benefit of the Leech (or Spectre for that matter...don't forget this) is the fact that you have only 1 type of weapon. That means they all benefit from pilot skills like sharpshooter and speed shooting. If you're going after Mings, both will up your annoyance and damage factor. Something to think about. Edit: I should have read all responses. Others ( CrownBlack and Beerhog) said what I said, but first. lol
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Post by rags on Mar 25, 2020 17:33:08 GMT -5
It’s abt 250 mil to max MK2 4 Molot T fyi
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Post by RightOn on Mar 25, 2020 18:11:29 GMT -5
It’s abt 250 mil to max MK2 4 Molot T fyi But you can get somewhere with just lv10 or 11 (5 and 8M per) Subtract 21M from 31.7... it's only 43M for a level 10 set. Add 32M for 11. All in the chart
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