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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 5, 2020 1:11:37 GMT -5
That would at least be *SOMEONE* in charge, unlike now Yes, he could be the first to govern from a nursing home. |
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Post by milty72 on Apr 5, 2020 1:32:52 GMT -5
So bloody glad I live in Australia. I wasn't at all happy with the way the federal government had handled the Bushfire Crisis earlier but of late with this they have really started to lift in the last week. At first we got mixed messages from the state governments to the federal but now it feels like it's all coming onto the same page. Bi-partisan approach. Federal is starting to support business and those in need with financial support. Banks are even doing their bit and not calling in debt for those in need also. People are starting to take ?dookie? seriously by having the lockdown rules made more black and white. Community is feeling more community like and caring. Our curve is starting to flatten which is a good sign. But more time is needed. It's gonna take a while. Stay safe and look after your neighbours. Good on ya. I have a lot of good friends in Australia. I count you as one of them even though we haven't met officially. I'm glad things are getting better. I'm jealous. Here in Japan, at least in Kobe, it seems like things haven't really changed. A lot of businesses, schools and parks are closed but most people go to work as usual. People have always worn masks for various reasons so it's hard to take this seriously. My wife is helping me there, because she's kind of a germaphobe and she's worried about her parents who are in their seventies. Cheers. My wife has a friend in Japan and now I do to.  I visited Japan in 2016 and yes I understand the face mask thing. So polite the Japanese in that sense, which is a good thing. My wife was planning on visiting again in August but looks like that will be on hold now. We're all under ordered to stay home, home school and work from home if you can. All service and entertainment industry are closed. Only takeaway. $1000 plus fines apply if your caught out without an essential reason. For the first time that I can recall it feels like most are on board and looking out for one another and our elders. I'm always cracking down on my parents. Telling them you stay home. |
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Post by Adazahi on Apr 5, 2020 3:01:06 GMT -5
>tfw made a meme with trump in it and got my thread locked
>this thread
feelsbadman
oops, forgot i wasnt on 4chan!
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Post by integeritis on Apr 5, 2020 6:27:47 GMT -5
If every man, woman, and child gets sick and we see Italian-level mortality rates, there will still be some 290+ million Americans able to vote. I think we can probably manage a general election. After some 32 million deaths I imagine the survivors might have a somewhat different perspective on what the government is capable of doing (vs. what its capable of promising). Its unfortunate we don't do much in the way of history any more, as the 1918 flu pandemic would be a good model for understanding the societal impact of losing on the order of 1 in 15 people over the next two years. From a Canadian ICU doc : here we are thinking 2% mortality rate IF we do not run out of ventilators. Also, we are probably in it for a long run (months). I postponed my family vacations to Costa-Rica we had planned for January 2021. Also : thank you good neighbor / historical ally for not allowing 3M to deliver hundreds of thousands of N95 masks we had paid for ... Looks like you got from the big brother what we got from germany here. We ordered a small amount of 120k masks at the beginning of march, they did not deliver it. Whether they delvired it now does not even metter, and I don't know.
Since then, we got 15 million masks from China for our small 9 million population. EU is a joke. When it stops serving its funding purpose as an economical group, then there is little point for it to exists just for political bull「dookie」tery as another bureaucratic layer on top of nation states.
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Post by sgtfury67 on Apr 5, 2020 8:02:05 GMT -5
Just heard a good quote from Tucker Carlson. He was making the point that Dr Fauci (who seems like a good guy and is doing a good job, all things considered) is viewing this crisis from the luxurious standpoint of complete job security. The fact is that in poor countries, people often die from treatable diseases/conditions. The best way to save lives amid the current Chinese Coronavirus pandemic is to not make people impoverished.
Again, reasonable adjustments to routine for those with lower risk from the infection are certainly prudent, and should be made, but America and the rest of the world really need to get back to work where possible. Federal/National governments simply cannot provide for the populous indefinitely. Governments have no money of their own, but get their money from taxpayers who only have money to be taxed by working and doing business.
Given the inaccuracy of the computer models that have been used to predict hospital bed needs, it might be time to start getting back to work. To be clear, I don’t mean to make light of the situation, but prolonged unemployment and economic collapse may spare a few lives in the short term, but the long term effects will kill many more than COVID-19.
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Post by sgtfury67 on Apr 5, 2020 8:18:32 GMT -5
Another aspect to consider is how different life/work circumstances lead to very different responses to a crisis such as the one we are facing now.
For those in densely populated areas, the risk of spreading disease is much higher than for those in more rural areas. It’s hard to practice social distancing in an elevator, but pretty easy driving an 18 wheeler or a combine/harvester etc. Getting in an Uber or taxi, there’s no way to know who just got out of it or if they were infected or not, but in your own vehicle, that isn’t something to worry about quite so much. For many, coming home at the end of the day is a solace from the crowds of people they work and commute with. For me, home is about as crowded as the day gets, as most work days I interact with only a handful of people.
Just something to keep in mind as we discuss. There are widely different views about this common problem. That’s because we have different circumstances to view it from. It isn’t ALL political ?
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Post by Mig-Am on Apr 5, 2020 8:45:05 GMT -5
Good on ya. I have a lot of good friends in Australia. I count you as one of them even though we haven't met officially. I'm glad things are getting better. I'm jealous. Here in Japan, at least in Kobe, it seems like things haven't really changed. A lot of businesses, schools and parks are closed but most people go to work as usual. People have always worn masks for various reasons so it's hard to take this seriously. My wife is helping me there, because she's kind of a germaphobe and she's worried about her parents who are in their seventies. Cheers. My wife has a friend in Japan and now I do to. I visited Japan in 2016 and yes I understand the face mask thing. So polite the Japanese in that sense, which is a good thing. My wife was planning on visiting again in August but looks like that will be on hold now. We're all under ordered to stay home, home school and work from home if you can. All service and entertainment industry are closed. Only takeaway. $1000 plus fines apply if your caught out without an essential reason. For the first time that I can recall it feels like most are on board and looking out for one another and our elders. I'm always cracking down on my parents. Telling them you stay home. Once again it strikes me how things can be handled in such a similar way in Australia and Canada (I bet it is similar in NZ), two new world countries with mostly free minded citizen but with universal healthcare working has a network, all the way down to the $1000 fine. And people understand we need a collective response to it. Curious how things are back in the UK. The French are shut down and pointing fingers at each others, but care and support is well organized (my brother lives in Lyon). Then there is the new USA, back at being great, but totally out of the loop for the first time in a century when a major crisis hits the world. |
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Post by Mig-Am on Apr 5, 2020 8:56:09 GMT -5
From a Canadian ICU doc : here we are thinking 2% mortality rate IF we do not run out of ventilators. Also, we are probably in it for a long run (months). I postponed my family vacations to Costa-Rica we had planned for January 2021. Also : thank you good neighbor / historical ally for not allowing 3M to deliver hundreds of thousands of N95 masks we had paid for ... Looks like you got from the big brother what we got from germany here. We ordered a small amount of 120k masks at the beginning of march, they did not deliver it. Whether they delvired it now does not even metter, and I don't know.
Since then, we got 15 million masks from China for our small 9 million population. EU is a joke. When it stops serving its funding purpose as an economical group, then there is little point for it to exists just for political bull?dookie?tery as another bureaucratic layer on top of nation states.
My province (Quebec, very francophone) apparently had bought 2.5M masks from a French supplier in February, but the French government kept the stuff. That never made the news around here, I guess it is all down to how you expect people/countries to behave and how you see them to start with. I mean, we kind of expect the ex-Motherland to not care much about us and mostly call for help. People here are way more disappointed by the big neighbor at the South, much of what is being manufactured in North America cross the border many times (supplies for basic materials and parts, workers, etc). |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 5, 2020 9:52:48 GMT -5
Lol. Free minded wouldn't be part of a hive mentality.
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Post by mechtout on Apr 5, 2020 10:21:57 GMT -5
Even if rural states have businesses with low interaction, you still have most people going into town at night patronizing downtown businesses, and filling bars and restaurants, then coming home and spreading covid 19 to families. That's when the hospitals that don't have enough equipment start filling up. Best way to get back to business in the current situation, low tests and mask availability, is to control the spread. Stay home.
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Apr 6, 2020 3:17:46 GMT -5
Well to each their own politics and politicians I guess. Very different response here. My brother lives I France and it is a whole other thing over there also. Here in Canada, business and individuals are getting much needed government financial support. It helps that it is the same governments (federal + provincial) that need to manage our healthcare response and convince people to stay home. Once our conservatives understood COVID was real, we heard very little political nonsense, just crisis management. Many of my friends outside of medicine are small business owners, this is also my family background. There is clearly a limit to government 's direct help, both in amount and time, but for now at least people stay home and we don't get our hospital system overloaded (well, stretched but not brooken), at least for now. I think right now I'd rather your politicians than mine. Stay safe. |
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Post by Poopface on Jun 30, 2020 6:17:19 GMT -5
This whole thread is in violation of the section of the CoC regarding politics.
Locking the thread.
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