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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 13:35:32 GMT -5
A certain government official as tweeted, saying that he wants the nation’s economy up and running...no later than Easter.
Let that sink in for just a minute...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:08:47 GMT -5
I’m thinking eggs......since this is the food area.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:19:59 GMT -5
I’m thinking eggs......since this is the food area....... Well, I’m thinking lots of dead people...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:22:05 GMT -5
I’m thinking eggs......since this is the food area....... Well, I’m thinking lots of dead people... Couldn’t agree more......that nut job will kill all of us to boost up his bank account..... However, besides this sub form making me hungry, the States won’t buy in to it.....ever....especially mine, as the POTUS and my Gov. can’t stand each other
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Post by studly on Mar 24, 2020 14:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by go red on Mar 24, 2020 14:26:04 GMT -5
I doubt if the viruses follow the tweet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 14:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Mar 24, 2020 19:18:15 GMT -5
Yes. But you wear it sooooo much better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 19:27:20 GMT -5
He did minimal action because he was afraid of the stock market tanking, which would affect his re-election chances. Now, since the stock market has tanked, he’s doing the minimal because he doesn’t want a lot of lost jobs to imperil his re-election.
It’s not about keeping Americans alive.
Johnson’s lies got soldiers killed in ‘Nam. So did Nixon’s. Bush’s lies got soldiers killed in Iraq. Trump’s lies are going to get more and more Americans killed here.
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Post by Replicant on Mar 24, 2020 19:35:48 GMT -5
A certain government official as tweeted, saying that he wants the nation’s economy up and running...no later than Easter. Let that sink in for just a minute... Interesting metaphor. Most people aren't really equipped to deal with these kinds of problems. The lizard brain takes over and reason gets left behind. Thanks to technology, we have lots of data but very little information, and it shows. Most of my clients are pretty intelligent people. The amazing thing is they can each take the same set of data, add in their personal philosophy on politics and economics, shake well and come up with diametrically opposed outcomes both of which are sourced to the same underlying data. From an economic perspective, I can tell you small and mid-sized businesses need liquidity now. Most small businesses have enough working capital for maybe 60 days. It says a lot about our politicians that they couldn't pass a clean bill on that one issue without a pork-fest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:23:37 GMT -5
A certain government official as tweeted, saying that he wants the nation’s economy up and running...no later than Easter. Let that sink in for just a minute... Interesting metaphor. Most people aren't really equipped to deal with these kinds of problems. The lizard brain takes over and reason gets left behind. Thanks to technology, we have lots of data but very little information, and it shows. Most of my clients are pretty intelligent people. The amazing thing is they can each take the same set of data, add in their personal philosophy on politics and economics, shake well and come up with diametrically opposed outcomes both of which are sourced to the same underlying data. From an economic perspective, I can tell you small and mid-sized businesses need liquidity now. Most small businesses have enough working capital for maybe 60 days. It says a lot about our politicians that they couldn't pass a clean bill on that one issue without a pork-fest. Thank you mostly Republicans...and a little to the Democrats.
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Post by WattTron on Mar 24, 2020 21:46:52 GMT -5
Covid 19 = 911 election results. It's the perfect, look what we overcame rubber stamp campaign rally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:53:05 GMT -5
Covid 19 = 911 election results. It's the perfect, look what we overcame rubber stamp campaign rally. Assuming enough of us are alive to vote the General.......
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Post by Replicant on Mar 25, 2020 0:20:21 GMT -5
Covid 19 = 911 election results. It's the perfect, look what we overcame rubber stamp campaign rally. Assuming enough of us are alive to vote the General....... If every man, woman, and child gets sick and we see Italian-level mortality rates, there will still be some 290+ million Americans able to vote. I think we can probably manage a general election. After some 32 million deaths I imagine the survivors might have a somewhat different perspective on what the government is capable of doing (vs. what its capable of promising). Its unfortunate we don't do much in the way of history any more, as the 1918 flu pandemic would be a good model for understanding the societal impact of losing on the order of 1 in 15 people over the next two years.
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Post by hyderier on Mar 25, 2020 0:43:23 GMT -5
Covid 19 = 911 election results. It's the perfect, look what we overcame rubber stamp campaign rally. Assuming enough of us are alive to vote the General....... Nah. In a country with non-universal health care, we can expect 10% mortality. It'll take about 60% of the people to have either been sick or been vaccinated (not happening fast enough) for the epidemic to end. So we're looking at only 6% of us being dead. That's 94% alive and able to vote.
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Post by _FakeNews_ on Apr 4, 2020 17:26:37 GMT -5
hi ho hum
interesting ain't it?
Hopefully he doesn't want to sell me guns to get it back up... I want to shoot my new 22 cal before I die.
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Post by Mig-Am on Apr 4, 2020 19:37:30 GMT -5
Assuming enough of us are alive to vote the General....... If every man, woman, and child gets sick and we see Italian-level mortality rates, there will still be some 290+ million Americans able to vote. I think we can probably manage a general election. After some 32 million deaths I imagine the survivors might have a somewhat different perspective on what the government is capable of doing (vs. what its capable of promising). Its unfortunate we don't do much in the way of history any more, as the 1918 flu pandemic would be a good model for understanding the societal impact of losing on the order of 1 in 15 people over the next two years. From a Canadian ICU doc : here we are thinking 2% mortality rate IF we do not run out of ventilators. Also, we are probably in it for a long run (months). I postponed my family vacations to Costa-Rica we had planned for January 2021. Also : thank you good neighbor / historical ally for not allowing 3M to deliver hundreds of thousands of N95 masks we had paid for ...
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 4, 2020 20:08:10 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm not there. Living in Japan is better but not perfect. Just some numbers:
I'm from Ohio:
Number of positive cases in Ohio yesterday- 3739 Number in Japan- 2935 Population of Ohio - 11M Pop. of Japan - 127M Population of US -329.45M Positive cases in US -310,016
Of course, every family in Japan will receive 2 masks! if the Prime Minister's emergency response goes into effect. What about larger families?
On another note:
The consulate is telling us to come home immediately or we may be denied reentry into the US indefinitely. And the Japanese consulate states that any foreigner who leaves Japan after April 3rd will be denied re-entry indefinitely, as well as them barring any foreigners entering. If you had left Japan before April 3rd it's probable you won't be allowed re-entry.
That's okay. I don't want to return to the 「dookie」 show and I'm not leaving my wife here.
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Post by Replicant on Apr 4, 2020 20:43:46 GMT -5
If every man, woman, and child gets sick and we see Italian-level mortality rates, there will still be some 290+ million Americans able to vote. I think we can probably manage a general election. After some 32 million deaths I imagine the survivors might have a somewhat different perspective on what the government is capable of doing (vs. what its capable of promising). Its unfortunate we don't do much in the way of history any more, as the 1918 flu pandemic would be a good model for understanding the societal impact of losing on the order of 1 in 15 people over the next two years. From a Canadian ICU doc : here we are thinking 2% mortality rate IF we do not run out of ventilators. Also, we are probably in it for a long run (months). I postponed my family vacations to Costa-Rica we had planned for January 2021. Also : thank you good neighbor / historical ally for not allowing 3M to deliver hundreds of thousands of N95 masks we had paid for ... I don't know enough (I don't think "we" know enough) to make meaningful predictions on this one. I do know I'm fed up with politicians (both sides) using emergencies for their own vanity projects. Also, I'll offer up my sympathies on the masks. FWIW, those masks aren't coming this way. There's so much stupid going on its difficult to find a starting point that doesn't immediately turn into a pissing match. The thing I don't get is the whole sacrifice everything if it saves one life attitude. If shelter in place lasts more than a month, most of my working clients would rather roll the dice on Covid-19 than deal with the economic fall-out of shuttering commerce. That's not greed, its mothers and fathers trying to figure out how their going to pay the mortgage and feed the kids.
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Post by Koko Bop on Apr 4, 2020 22:01:26 GMT -5
They should spare a thought for how their children are going to pay the mortgage and feed themselves when mom and dad are sick unto death and need help their kids canât give.
What kind of body count do you feel is acceptable? If the virus is truly novel then there is no immunity in place to fend it of, and we should expect virtually *everyone* to get it (95%+) and the *current* US death rate offers us over 9 million US dead. The world rate is right at double that, as of current numbers reported, and Italyâs rate is twice *that*.
Those numbers are pretty baked in, btw...By which I mean, in the US at least, no meaningful steps to 「special」 the spread were taken before this week: there is nothing that can stop it, we can only slow it down - and even THAT is highly unpopular in some quarters. So, we pretty much can count on finding out what happens when everything goes wrong at once. It will take a few months, though: I have a birthday in six months, itâll be interesting to see if a party of any size will be possible by then.
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Post by Mig-Am on Apr 4, 2020 22:05:56 GMT -5
From a Canadian ICU doc : here we are thinking 2% mortality rate IF we do not run out of ventilators. Also, we are probably in it for a long run (months). I postponed my family vacations to Costa-Rica we had planned for January 2021. Also : thank you good neighbor / historical ally for not allowing 3M to deliver hundreds of thousands of N95 masks we had paid for ... I don't know enough (I don't think "we" know enough) to make meaningful predictions on this one. I do know I'm fed up with politicians (both sides) using emergencies for their own vanity projects. Also, I'll offer up my sympathies on the masks. FWIW, those masks aren't coming this way. There's so much stupid going on its difficult to find a starting point that doesn't immediately turn into a pissing match. The thing I don't get is the whole sacrifice everything if it saves one life attitude. If shelter in place lasts more than a month, most of my working clients would rather roll the dice on Covid-19 than deal with the economic fall-out of shuttering commerce. That's not greed, its mothers and fathers trying to figure out how their going to pay the mortgage and feed the kids. Well to each their own politics and politicians I guess. Very different response here. My brother lives I France and it is a whole other thing over there also. Here in Canada, business and individuals are getting much needed government financial support. It helps that it is the same governments (federal + provincial) that need to manage our healthcare response and convince people to stay home. Once our conservatives understood COVID was real, we heard very little political nonsense, just crisis management. Many of my friends outside of medicine are small business owners, this is also my family background. There is clearly a limit to government 's direct help, both in amount and time, but for now at least people stay home and we don't get our hospital system overloaded (well, stretched but not brooken), at least for now.
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Post by sgtfury67 on Apr 4, 2020 22:25:31 GMT -5
I’m not a huge conspiracy kind of guy, but does the timing of the Chinese Coronavirus seem pretty convenient for the “must defeat Trump” crowd, or what? Three years of Russia, impeachment and Ukraine with his poll numbers steadily rising (largely due to wildly successful economic policies), and now, a year before the election, a worldwide pandemic sufficient to shut down the world economy and put 10 million Americans out of work in three weeks...coincidence? I wonder sometimes.
As for the economy and getting back to work vs people catching/dying from the Chinese Coronavirus, I think we need to remember that people die every day from one thing or another and we don’t shut the world down over it. Disease, murder, auto and industrial accidents, etc etc are part of life. I don’t mean to make light of the pandemic or of the lives that will be lost to it. I do think we need to be mindful of the 98%+ of the rest of us who will survive it and go on with life, work, retirement, and everything else that costs money.
Those who are high risk should take necessarily precautions. Those with “normal” risk ought to make reasonable adjustments to their routines and get back to business while there’s still business to get back to. Nobody benefits from this economic situation being prolonged.
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Post by Replicant on Apr 4, 2020 22:50:00 GMT -5
I don't know enough (I don't think "we" know enough) to make meaningful predictions on this one. I do know I'm fed up with politicians (both sides) using emergencies for their own vanity projects. Also, I'll offer up my sympathies on the masks. FWIW, those masks aren't coming this way. There's so much stupid going on its difficult to find a starting point that doesn't immediately turn into a pissing match. The thing I don't get is the whole sacrifice everything if it saves one life attitude. If shelter in place lasts more than a month, most of my working clients would rather roll the dice on Covid-19 than deal with the economic fall-out of shuttering commerce. That's not greed, its mothers and fathers trying to figure out how their going to pay the mortgage and feed the kids. Well to each their own politics and politicians I guess. Very different response here. My brother lives I France and it is a whole other thing over there also. Here in Canada, business and individuals are getting much needed government financial support. It helps that it is the same governments (federal + provincial) that need to manage our healthcare response and convince people to stay home. Once our conservatives understood COVID was real, we heard very little political nonsense, just crisis management. Many of my friends outside of medicine are small business owners, this is also my family background. There is clearly a limit to government 's direct help, both in amount and time, but for now at least people stay home and we don't get our hospital system overloaded (well, stretched but not brooken), at least for now. I think right now I'd rather your politicians than mine. Stay safe.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 4, 2020 22:59:33 GMT -5
oh god yes lets put Biden in charge now.
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Post by Koko Bop on Apr 4, 2020 23:12:53 GMT -5
That would at least be *SOMEONE* in charge, unlike now
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Post by mechtout on Apr 4, 2020 23:19:45 GMT -5
Just start producing some PPE for those hospitals already for crying out loud, 「whiskey tango foxtrot」. Country that bound together to produce a 「dookie」 load of tanks and navy ships, and we cant make some simple paper products???
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Post by sgtfury67 on Apr 5, 2020 0:04:09 GMT -5
Honestly, if there’s one GOOD thing that comes from this Chinese Coronavirus pandemic, it needs to be a drastic reduction in US dependence on China for our production of everything. Our elected “leaders” from both parties have hamstrung us by letting a Communist country that hates us take over production of nearly everything we use in life from medical goods to fidget spinners. What were they thinking? Why do we keep electing them?
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Post by milty72 on Apr 5, 2020 0:21:59 GMT -5
So bloody glad I live in Australia. I wasn't at all happy with the way the federal government had handled the Bushfire Crisis earlier but of late with this they have really started to lift in the last week.
At first we got mixed messages from the state governments to the federal but now it feels like it's all coming onto the same page. Bi-partisan approach.
Federal is starting to support business and those in need with financial support. Banks are even doing their bit and not calling in debt for those in need also.
People are starting to take ?dookie? seriously by having the lockdown rules made more black and white. Community is feeling more community like and caring.
Our curve is starting to flatten which is a good sign. But more time is needed.
It's gonna take a while. Stay safe and look after your neighbours.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 5, 2020 0:28:44 GMT -5
Just start producing some PPE for those hospitals already for crying out loud, ?whiskey tango foxtrot?. Country that bound together to produce a ?dookie? load of tanks and navy ships, and we cant make some simple paper products??? I was thinking of the same thing earlier today. During WWII, we pulled together and produced more war material than all our allies combined and it was mandated by the government. Now the government 'representatives' are more worried about their pocket books and their jobs to disagree with an obvious imbecile and save lives and our form of government as it was intended. Some reality TV host is so far out of touch with reality that the once debatably strongest country, with the most idealistic form of government is now an international laughingstock. To be perfectly honest: The framers of the US Constitution and the creation of our form of government didn't expect the people to actually have governmental power. It was a system where those wealthier and 'wiser' would guide the ignorant populace so they could maintain their status and properties. Of course, it was worded so the ignorant masses would have the illusion of participation. And the ignorant masses helped elect the current regime. COVID-45
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 5, 2020 0:35:39 GMT -5
So bloody glad I live in Australia. I wasn't at all happy with the way the federal government had handled the Bushfire Crisis earlier but of late with this they have really started to lift in the last week. At first we got mixed messages from the state governments to the federal but now it feels like it's all coming onto the same page. Bi-partisan approach. Federal is starting to support business and those in need with financial support. Banks are even doing their bit and not calling in debt for those in need also. People are starting to take ?dookie? seriously by having the lockdown rules made more black and white. Community is feeling more community like and caring. Our curve is starting to flatten which is a good sign. But more time is needed. It's gonna take a while. Stay safe and look after your neighbours. Good on ya. I have a lot of good friends in Australia. I count you as one of them even though we haven't met officially. I'm glad things are getting better. I'm jealous. Here in Japan, at least in Kobe, it seems like things haven't really changed. A lot of businesses, schools and parks are closed but most people go to work as usual. People have always worn masks for various reasons so it's hard to take this seriously. My wife is helping me there, because she's kind of a germaphobe and she's worried about her parents who are in their seventies.
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