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Post by casper on Mar 8, 2020 22:57:50 GMT -5
Glory got nerfed. It was the only weapon on my falcon, so that hurts. Which of these should i switch to and why?
Calamity Dragoon Trident Sinister Glacier
Also have a Zeus (but using it with a calamity on ao jun, until other calamity is upgraded) Also have a redeemer (but using on my fenrir) Also have an exodus (but use it on my strider, which is lots of fun!)
Or if you think I should swap a lot of stuff, just let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 23:22:22 GMT -5
glacier is best brawler rn
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Post by blackheart on Mar 9, 2020 0:59:31 GMT -5
the tfal is not as good unless it is dropped early game, id suggest getting an avenger. i run an avenger tfalc and it does well. which league are you in?
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Post by WattTron on Mar 9, 2020 1:09:34 GMT -5
Go with the Glacier.
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Post by hyderier on Mar 9, 2020 1:29:39 GMT -5
If you can afford it, Glacier seems the best currently. Calamity should be pretty good too.
3 Dragoons or Tridents on a regular Falcon should work too, but that is a completely different bot than T-Fal of course.
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Post by TerminatorWR on Mar 9, 2020 3:00:42 GMT -5
Out of those four, Glacier is for sure
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Post by no pain 80 on Mar 9, 2020 9:25:03 GMT -5
glacier is best brawler rn I dont think a single glacier will do any better than a glory. A glory is still a good assasin/ambush weapon. At point blank, it locks down and hit hard for 5 sec in burst. then, you release your pray until the next round. I run a glory falcon with two pilots: a regular and a trad ones. I have dual glaciers at its talons, and they are deadly in pairs as well. It is my opening bot in ffa and team modes. It usually gets me multiple kills. Besides glory, I tried avengers and redeemers, lvl 1.12 and lvl 2.4. Avenger would be my second choice, and a substitute weapon for a trad falcon. Although I like redeemer on my merc it did not perform nearly as good on my falcon. In overall, I would keep using the glory, or switch to a regular falcon with glacier(s) on its talons: it is fun as hell.
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Post by Desc440 on Mar 9, 2020 11:23:53 GMT -5
Wait until the Nucleon is released. That thing is MADE for bots like the T-Fal. If you HAVE to upgrade something else in the meantime, Calamity works fairly well. Just be careful not to lose lock.
I don't get how anyone can recommend Glacier. T-Falcon is not an ambusher. Glacier has awful DPM. WTH are you guys talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:33:03 GMT -5
Ditch the Traditionalist.......go back to fangs out with 3x Vipers.
You will thank me later.......
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Post by Koko Bop on Mar 9, 2020 22:09:02 GMT -5
Vipers are indeed sweet: Viper 9 beats Calamity 10 in my hangar...having three is nice.
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Post by casper on Mar 9, 2020 22:56:39 GMT -5
Thank you guys. Right now I've been using a lvl 9 calamity. I'm in champion league iii.
I listed those weapon choices because that's all I have. I don't pay to play, so new weapons would be slowly built. I think I've spent $25 over maybe 3 years.
I might consider going back to the silly jumping falcon, but it'll be like relearning from scratch since it's been so long! And I hated how weak it was when you jump. Plus losing 50% would be crazy.
Hell, I have no idea what I want to do!
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Post by casper on Mar 9, 2020 23:00:15 GMT -5
What about fangs out with a glory and two calamity?
Or a glacier then two calamity when freeze is on?
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Post by blackheart on Mar 9, 2020 23:13:08 GMT -5
What about fangs out with a glory and two calamity? Or a glacier then two calamity when freeze is on? the fangs out need to be weapons that can deal a lot of damage in a short time, for the normal falcon to be effective at brawling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 5:58:33 GMT -5
For fun times, I use SB.....Ares steps out, panties up! I go FO, jump Ares, Vipers blazing....SB active......Bye bye, Ares!
I’ve also taken down Kid and Ming with 3 L10 Vipers.....worth getting!
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Post by Koko Bop on Mar 10, 2020 14:23:59 GMT -5
Thank you guys. Right now I've been using a lvl 9 calamity. I'm in champion league iii. I listed those weapon choices because that's all I have. I don't pay to play, so new weapons would be slowly built. I think I've spent $25 over maybe 3 years. I might consider going back to the silly jumping falcon, but it'll be like relearning from scratch since it's been so long! And I hated how weak it was when you jump. Plus losing 50% would be crazy. Hell, I have no idea what I want to do! I’ve got about 18 months on you, and I have spent more than $25, but I’ve bought virtually no gear: it all came from grinding and events and the workshop. I don’t think I’ve had incredible luck, as I’m only just creeping up on the *last* META, but I frankly have more than I can work with. My event haul / key boxes so far have in the past couple years yielded: 5 Fenrir 2 Haechi 8 Leo 1 leech 2 Raijin 2 Hover 3 Rhino 1 Biltz 2 Tyr 1 Loki 1 Ares 2 Inquisitor 1 Ravana 4 Calamity 3 Viper 4 Trebuchet 6 Avengers 9 Orkans 8 Gekko 8 Aphid 4 Hydra 3 Vortex 5 Scourge 2 Tempest 2 Ion 2 Zeus 4 Rimes 4 Cryo 4 Hussar 6 Marquess 10+ Gust 10+ Storm 6 Blaze 5 Igniters 3 Zenit 3 Shocktrain Workshop has built a Lancelot, a Doc, an Ao Jun, 2 Shredders, 2 Pulsars, 3 Sparks among others. And a zillion others, molots and punishers and magnums and noricums and Spirals and tulumbas and piñatas.... If you’ve been playing for that same time period, I’d imagine you’d have a lot more than you mention.
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Post by nexushub on Mar 10, 2020 21:05:08 GMT -5
After the glory nerf I decided to do some in game testing on my T Falcon.
Avenger #1 good for brawling and sustained fights and makes a great shield buster.
Calamity #2 a extremely useful weapon, it can sustain damage at any range but excels at brawling due to + damage, be warned it becomes most useful at lvl 10 which will require your soul and what I currently run.
Ember #3 passes shields
Glory #4 In a weird way the nerf helped the glory, it can no longer sustain a brawl with multiple reds but one on one the kill rate is much faster so just adjust your play style
Viper #5 no real complaints but not really better then any of the above weapons.
Weapons to avoid on the T Falcon
Redeemer, you will spend most of the time missing and reloading
Trident, low and slow damage output at any range
Zeus, extremely poor stand alone weapon with low damage out put
Any sniper weapon
Thunder, not a particularly useful weapon unless you refuse to spend real money or time to build but if you do plan on using dedicate the time to max it out
I recommend the avenger or calamity as in general you will find more situations they shine in then dont, I wouldn't worry about the calamity lock on, in all my brawls even against fast bots at point blank I have only lost lock on 1 time.
If you ditch T Falcon a favorite setup is Avenger on center with two redeamers. You have the usefulness of the avenger with power output of the redeamers and you'd be amazed at how well they work together.
3 calamities
3 redeemers, note when not using fangs out you will spend most the time missing and reloading
3 Avengers aka Titan Buster
These are what I have found useful playing against real people who dodge duck dip dive and dodge, your mileage may very.
Edit: I have always ran the Avenger or calamity over the glory so the nerf did not really bother me in that regaurd, since they changed the lock down mechanism the glory has completely lost its usefulness on T Falcon since almost every bot outruns you and catching them was a uphill battle and the glory only shines at brawling range.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 5:53:58 GMT -5
I found Avenger and Calamity to be far more dangerous than pre-nerf Glory.
They were the T-Falcons I dreaded.
I would advise the 500m Avenger, Viper or 600m Calamity as the highest close-range damage weapon choices, but compare them to your 300m splash damage Glacier too.
Glacier can do a lot of damage too but it's range is limited.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 5:58:08 GMT -5
Thank you guys. Right now I've been using a lvl 9 calamity. I'm in champion league iii. I listed those weapon choices because that's all I have. I don't pay to play, so new weapons would be slowly built. I think I've spent $25 over maybe 3 years. I might consider going back to the silly jumping falcon, but it'll be like relearning from scratch since it's been so long! And I hated how weak it was when you jump. Plus losing 50% would be crazy. Hell, I have no idea what I want to do! Calamity is one of the best weapons you can put on it.
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Post by Koko Bop on Mar 11, 2020 12:08:50 GMT -5
I’m happy to hear the confidence expressed in the Calamities: I have 4, 10/1/1/1...and I admit I’ve been underwhelmed by it @ 10 x and I’ve expressed elsewhere my preference for my L9 Viper.
You persuade me to give it more field time: these things take practice (what the whales don’t know) - learning to be semi-competent with my Ao Jun has taken weeks and I still have a way to go before I can be consistent. I will do the same with Calamity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 12:28:53 GMT -5
Viper is another great weapon, actually. *adds it to the list* It's almost as good as Calamity at short range it does better damage than both Avenger and Calamity at mid to long range. Vipers might be superior to Calamities in almost every regard other than auto-tracking and 600m tickle, Koko Bop . Their 400-500m damage is far superior. Preferring the Viper is a good thing, not only due to damage but also it's extra viability in this Leech infested battlefield.
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Post by Koko Bop on Mar 11, 2020 13:00:21 GMT -5
I actually went back and forth on which to take to 10 first...chose Calamity, then saw a comparison vid AYGIR did of the two, and Viper won. Even when it died first, it *still* killed the opponent....
I find I appreciate the lack of auto-lock (says the scourge/Spark fanboy) - marksmanship matters, and I find it’s actually rare in this game. I had a match last night, there were FIVE red Avenger AJs on the field at once, never taking their thumbs off the fire button, not aiming - not even *pointing*, just blasting. It was a sight to behold (and a crappy match as well)
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Post by Munki on Mar 11, 2020 13:45:17 GMT -5
Ditch the Traditionalist.......go back to fangs out with 3x Vipers. You will thank me later....... ^^^THIS. In iOS Champions League, Traditional skilled Falcons are not seen as much. See many more that can go fangs-out. Assuming you have the 3 heavies to equip, this is the way to go.\ Personally glad to see T-Falc meta fade. This bot is so much more fun when you can jump and shoot three weapons. If you go this route, you'll discover various uses for the Falcon that a T-Falc simply cannot do. Back in the day, I ran a Flux on the middle slot to troll reds and had tridents on the wings to fire off a few rounds once within 600 meters, then jump backwards or even forwards if nearing the end of fangs out if the DR will kick in when I will be in the air. Check with Rollo Tomasi. He's been running a hanger full of Falcons lately.
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Post by nexushub on Mar 11, 2020 14:24:22 GMT -5
I’m happy to hear the confidence expressed in the Calamities: I have 4, 10/1/1/1...and I admit I’ve been underwhelmed by it @ 10 x and I’ve expressed elsewhere my preference for my L9 Viper. You persuade me to give it more field time: these things take practice (what the whales don’t know) - learning to be semi-competent with my Ao Jun has taken weeks and I still have a way to go before I can be consistent. I will do the same with Calamity. When it comes to running the Calamity I personally keep my distance from hard targets such as Lancelot and drain then from a distance and only push on soft targets like Aries that can be melted in a few seconds, also consider the slight arch in the beam and the calamity placement on top the falcon and you can shoot from cover pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 21:15:09 GMT -5
I've been wanting to run Glaciers on the "fangs" but my Falcon might be too low of a level for good Champions League play.
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Post by nexushub on Mar 12, 2020 5:39:02 GMT -5
I've been wanting to run Glaciers on the "fangs" but my Falcon might be too low of a level for good Champions League play. I had problems until about lvl 8. At lvl 8 you can sorta tank a decent ammount of damage in defense mode but if you get hit while fangs out you get smoked at any level unfortunately, you definitely have to pick your battles but I think Glaciers / avenger would be a kick @$$ combo.
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Post by casper on Mar 12, 2020 9:19:49 GMT -5
I might keep calamity as main. Fangs out with glacier and glory.
Those two would be my current fastest big damage weapons. Replace with something else once built and upgraded.
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Post by casper on Mar 12, 2020 9:24:57 GMT -5
Thank you guys. Right now I've been using a lvl 9 calamity. I'm in champion league iii. I listed those weapon choices because that's all I have. I don't pay to play, so new weapons would be slowly built. I think I've spent $25 over maybe 3 years. I might consider going back to the silly jumping falcon, but it'll be like relearning from scratch since it's been so long! And I hated how weak it was when you jump. Plus losing 50% would be crazy. Hell, I have no idea what I want to do! I’ve got about 18 months on you, and I have spent more than $25, but I’ve bought virtually no gear: it all came from grinding and events and the workshop. I don’t think I’ve had incredible luck, as I’m only just creeping up on the *last* META, but I frankly have more than I can work with. My event haul / key boxes so far have in the past couple years yielded: 5 Fenrir 2 Haechi 8 Leo 1 leech 2 Raijin 2 Hover 3 Rhino 1 Biltz 2 Tyr 1 Loki 1 Ares 2 Inquisitor 1 Ravana 4 Calamity 3 Viper 4 Trebuchet 6 Avengers 9 Orkans 8 Gekko 8 Aphid 4 Hydra 3 Vortex 5 Scourge 2 Tempest 2 Ion 2 Zeus 4 Rimes 4 Cryo 4 Hussar 6 Marquess 10+ Gust 10+ Storm 6 Blaze 5 Igniters 3 Zenit 3 Shocktrain Workshop has built a Lancelot, a Doc, an Ao Jun, 2 Shredders, 2 Pulsars, 3 Sparks among others. And a zillion others, molots and punishers and magnums and noricums and Spirals and tulumbas and piñatas.... If you’ve been playing for that same time period, I’d imagine you’d have a lot more than you mention. Playing for the same time period... minus 18 months, doesn't mean the same number of games. From about October through last month, my old kindle was crashing all the time, then the new kindle didn't have my old account logged in. So it's definitely not comparing apples to apples. Plus, now that I've reached higher levels, it's much faster to earn rewards and in the next 18 months, I should have a lot more stuff. But if we play the exact same number of games, the way this game is set up, I should always be behind you.
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Post by casper on Mar 12, 2020 9:26:18 GMT -5
Plus i didn't bother listing any weapons i don't want to use.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 21:18:28 GMT -5
Nice.
Well, IMO Avenger, Viper and Calamity are the best general choices at the moment.
Calamity can also track fast moving bots in this lag, and it's also one of the best choices to put on a Yang Lee Ao Jun, along with Glaciers.
The problem with Glacier on a T-Falcon isn't the damage (they can hit pretty hard) but the 300m range.
That said you can have fun trying any weapons you like, and you may enjoy or groove along better with other equipment.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Mar 14, 2020 7:46:33 GMT -5
Thank you guys. Right now I've been using a lvl 9 calamity. I'm in champion league iii. I listed those weapon choices because that's all I have. I don't pay to play, so new weapons would be slowly built. I think I've spent $25 over maybe 3 years. I might consider going back to the silly jumping falcon, but it'll be like relearning from scratch since it's been so long! And I hated how weak it was when you jump. Plus losing 50% would be crazy. Hell, I have no idea what I want to do! Do it and build any one of these (well, maybe not that Redeemer center, thatâs just a current mix-it-up test build). Avenger - Damage 「loose lady」 Viper - Leech/Phantom counter, great support for taking center beacon Ember/Glacier - DB w style Tempest - AM Mitigator
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