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Post by themandalorian on Apr 10, 2020 1:14:42 GMT -5
Taran/Redeemer seems to be perfect. High burst damage and the reload works nice with the ability. Health is the weak spot, but there are some helpful skills. My Cerberus is set up like this: Bot level 9 Weapons level 9 Two fortifiers, not leveled yet Suppression boost DOT weapon damage boost HP boost Shield HP boost Shield regeneration boost I'm german and I have no idea what these skills are called in your native language, but you get the point. The pilot skills add up with the fortifiers. The whole thing is still a situational glass cannon, but the Aegis shield has become very active. I love the fact that this shield works autonomously. With leveled fortifiers this should improve even further. I'm sure that Cerberus will get buffed at some point soon and it will most likely be a shield buff. When that happens the Aegis will hopefully become a high performer. It could actually become a serious ammo eater with tanking qualities. Keep in my you're dealing with suppressed bots when you run Cerberus in the intended way. It is a high risk and high reward bot like Carnage back in the golden age. With the right skills and two maxed fortifiers, the Cerebus can already take many bots one-on-one. The regen on the shield is no joke. Looking at your selected skills, you can go without HP boost and ability weapon damage boost. HP is low on this bot and the boost does little to change that. Using this bot is all about managing the Ageis shield. If your HP gets hit, you are dead quickly with either the standard HP or that plus 10% HP. The ability's damage is also very low so the Destroyer ability that augments it does very little. It does not raise the damage done by corrosion, only the initial damage of the ability hitting (from my understanding). Increasing suppression along with shield quantity and regen rates are all essential. I went for speed skills as well since I find it important to get in and out of cover so I have Road Hog and Scout as well. Enjoy this bot. There are a lot of viable loadouts for it, but just know that it is not a straight up brawler or knife fighter. Use it like how Muhammad Ali would fight, "Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". Interesting. I haven’t used it yet and am upgrading it to at least a 8 or 9 before use it in combat. I’m in Master II League and can’t see it being useful til then. I also need to upgrade it modules - so far it gave two reactors. QUESTION TO ALL: What modules are you running in the 2 passive and 1 active slots?
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Post by RightOn on Apr 10, 2020 4:18:51 GMT -5
I'm doing reactors and SB
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Post by Munki on Apr 10, 2020 8:20:44 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged.
The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one.
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Post by Jeb on Apr 10, 2020 9:57:30 GMT -5
Hmm, Shield Breaker with the built-in weapon...that would give the Pantheons fits over getting locked down while shielded.
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Post by Munki on Apr 10, 2020 10:05:09 GMT -5
Hmm, Shield Breaker with the built-in weapon...that would give the Pantheons fits over getting locked down while shielded. Yep. Leaves them totally vulnerable for 5 seconds where I can hit them and their shots are suppressed. They aren't tanks, so they melt quickly.
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Post by Wife is Pissed on Apr 10, 2020 11:41:36 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. What weapons are you running on yours?
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Post by RightOn on Apr 10, 2020 11:48:18 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. What weapons are you running on yours? Best builds are (cryo) DB or PDB.. tazer or burn could do ok too
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Post by Jeb on Apr 10, 2020 12:21:57 GMT -5
By the way, the built-in weapon tags Lokis on a level surface. I popped a stealthed Loki on Carrier and locked him down long enough for a kill.
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 10, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -5
I have tried flame, cryo, a mix of both and other builds. Cerb is definitely not a cqc brawler and dies often and fast. Ihave gotten it to survive for a minute and a half so it could just have a learning curve. But its still squishy at level 8 mk1. Dont know if I will invest ag to get it to 9. It is useful against Titans but so is Rayker. I still like it though because it looks cool and is kinda fast though not Phantom fast. Current Build Is Vortexes And Ember. I Only Tried It Once But Results Were Satisfying. I Will Try It More In A While. It Has Fortifier, Last Stand And PS.
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Post by bravex on Apr 10, 2020 20:40:25 GMT -5
I just got mine tonight!
I'm going to put rockets on him until I can get some flame throwers for him.
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Post by shivaswrath on Apr 10, 2020 22:12:26 GMT -5
I'm at 87....so close to 90!
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Apr 10, 2020 22:58:53 GMT -5
Got mine f2p 2 days to spare. Now I have to figure out if I use it or sell for silver.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Apr 10, 2020 23:04:06 GMT -5
What weapons are you running on yours? Best builds are (cryo) DB or PDB.. tazer or burn could do ok too I’ve got already maxed redeemer and tarans. Maybe I’ll give that a go while I wait on Cryo. Cryo DB seems to fit perfectly with the suppress and immobility. Dump your rockets and retreat to cover before they can even hit you.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 14, 2020 5:17:24 GMT -5
With the right skills and two maxed fortifiers, the Cerebus can already take many bots one-on-one. The regen on the shield is no joke. Looking at your selected skills, you can go without HP boost and ability weapon damage boost. HP is low on this bot and the boost does little to change that. Using this bot is all about managing the Ageis shield. If your HP gets hit, you are dead quickly with either the standard HP or that plus 10% HP. The ability's damage is also very low so the Destroyer ability that augments it does very little. It does not raise the damage done by corrosion, only the initial damage of the ability hitting (from my understanding). Increasing suppression along with shield quantity and regen rates are all essential. I went for speed skills as well since I find it important to get in and out of cover so I have Road Hog and Scout as well. Enjoy this bot. There are a lot of viable loadouts for it, but just know that it is not a straight up brawler or knife fighter. Use it like how Muhammad Ali would fight, "Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". Interesting. I haven’t used it yet and am upgrading it to at least a 8 or 9 before use it in combat. I’m in Master II League and can’t see it being useful til then. I also need to upgrade it modules - so far it gave two reactors. QUESTION TO ALL: What modules are you running in the 2 passive and 1 active slots? Had Cerberus for almost a week and got it up to level eight and started running it. It’s got LVL 10 thunder & Storm, LVL 7 Cryo with maxed out reactor and light armor. Corporal Adrian Chong is the pilot. I got to say I’m not a fan as of yet. It is incredibly weak at level eight with these weapons and modules. I’m not even sure if I see an effect from Blackout. I can’t even tell if an enemy has been affected. I’m in the Master II League. If I’m grading it now, I give it a D-. It’s not even all that fast, maybe like Hover or Rogatka It’s gonna cost a ton of Ag and time to bring it to MK2. Disappointing addition. Thankful I didn’t pay for one.
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Post by RightOn on Apr 14, 2020 9:56:18 GMT -5
Interesting. I haven’t used it yet and am upgrading it to at least a 8 or 9 before use it in combat. I’m in Master II League and can’t see it being useful til then. I also need to upgrade it modules - so far it gave two reactors. QUESTION TO ALL: What modules are you running in the 2 passive and 1 active slots? Had Cerberus for almost a week and got it up to level eight and started running it. It’s got LVL 10 thunder & Storm, LVL 7 Cryo with maxed out reactor and light armor. Corporal Adrian Chong is the pilot. I got to say I’m not a fan as of yet. It is incredibly weak at level eight with these weapons and modules. I’m not even sure if I see an effect from Blackout. I can’t even tell if an enemy has been affected. I’m in the Master II League. If I’m grading it now, I give it a D-. It’s not even all that fast, maybe like Hover or Rogatka It’s gonna cost a ton of Ag and time to bring it to MK2. Disappointing addition. Thankful I didn’t pay for one. The problem is you have shotguns on it. Without use of PS and careful timing of blackout, there is no way to make them work. After Weyland finishes (2/3 done) I'm building exodus for classic DB build. I expect glacier to cost almost twice as much to build in WS (56M vs 30M) and one glacier alone won't trigger freeze without help of more cryos, which I don't have. I have a ton of leftover Orkans. DB really makes the most sense, because the suppression is only 50% (there is a skill to bring this up to 62.5%), the aegis is thin (but quickly regenerating with fortifiers/electrician, and at benefit of supp.), and the lockdown will help nailing the rockets. As soon as suppression goes down you better be in cover. I already got road Rog as a freebie and coming up on 1500au to unlock electrician. The pilot isn't even 10 yet...I would get the suppression boost as a 3rd skill and that would be it for the bot. Eventually.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 14, 2020 22:28:54 GMT -5
Had Cerberus for almost a week and got it up to level eight and started running it. It’s got LVL 10 thunder & Storm, LVL 7 Cryo with maxed out reactor and light armor. Corporal Adrian Chong is the pilot. I got to say I’m not a fan as of yet. It is incredibly weak at level eight with these weapons and modules. I’m not even sure if I see an effect from Blackout. I can’t even tell if an enemy has been affected. I’m in the Master II League. If I’m grading it now, I give it a D-. It’s not even all that fast, maybe like Hover or Rogatka It’s gonna cost a ton of Ag and time to bring it to MK2. Disappointing addition. Thankful I didn’t pay for one. The problem is you have shotguns on it. Without use of PS and careful timing of blackout, there is no way to make them work. After Weyland finishes (2/3 done) I'm building exodus for classic DB build. I expect glacier to cost almost twice as much to build in WS (56M vs 30M) and one glacier alone won't trigger freeze without help of more cryos, which I don't have. I have a ton of leftover Orkans. DB really makes the most sense, because the suppression is only 50% (there is a skill to bring this up to 62.5%), the aegis is thin (but quickly regenerating with fortifiers/electrician, and at benefit of supp.), and the lockdown will help nailing the rockets. As soon as suppression goes down you better be in cover. I already got road Rog as a freebie and coming up on 1500au to unlock electrician. The pilot isn't even 10 yet...I would get the suppression boost as a 3rd skill and that would be it for the bot. Eventually. I’m sure there is a learning curve. I’ll see what happens when in switch of from the shotguns. But again, the blackout is unnoticeable to me. I’m up to a level 9 now and still get chewed up - a plasma Ming literally took it out in a single shot - never saw it coming. And it is abominably slow. Def needs road hog but we want speed to offset lack of HP and vice versa. Just seems the worst of both world at the moment. As of now it’s costing serious Ag for lvl10 - 25M. MK2 might be a pipe dream.
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Post by robocain on Apr 15, 2020 8:16:59 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the introduction days and weeks of the Raven. Everyone was meh about it and by now it has become a serious threat. Especially when the built-in damage boost gets escalated with a Chong pilot, dmg oriented pilot skills and Thermonuclear Reactor modules.
Something similar will happen with Cerberus. 5% or so of the player base were able to grind the bot. Others will have to pay 7500Au for it and Pixonic will make this bot attractive enough for people to buy gold and get a Cerberus.
I suggest everyone to learn to master the mechanics now. If you can successfully use Cerberus now, you'll have a serious blast with it after the buff.
In a few months from now this bot will most likely have a seriously hard to crack shield. It could become the first energy shield with serious tanking qualities. And maybe a pilot that will boost the shield even further.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Apr 15, 2020 8:52:55 GMT -5
Mine is 1.9 with Redeemer, Cryo and Igniter (all 1.8). I use a Fortifier (lvl 1) and Std Armour (lvl 4) as well as PS. It is a steep learning curve to pilot for any length of time - too aggressive and you die. As said above, the suppression is only 50% = not invincible - forget that - you die. BUT, one time in twenty, you hit the bot sweet and unload. That feeling makes you keep coming back for more.
It replaced my Mender - I miss the heal HP - but want the Cerb to work so am persevering with it until I feel I can pilot it well.
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Post by RightOn on Apr 15, 2020 9:07:06 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the introduction days and weeks of the Raven. Everyone was meh about it and by now it has become a serious thread. Especially when the built-in damage boost gets escalated with a Chong pilot, dmg oriented pilot skills and Thermonuclear Reactor modules. Something similar will happen with Cerberus. 5% or so of the player base were able to grind the bot. Others will have to pay 7500Au for it and Pixonic will make this bot attractive enough for people to buy gold and get a Cerberus. I suggest everyone to learn to master the mechanics now. If you can successfully use Cerberus now, you'll have a serious blast with it after the buff. In a few months from now this bot will most likely have a seriously hard to crack shield. It could become the first energy shield with serious tanking qualities. And maybe a pilot that will boost the shield even further. That's the interesting aspect of Cerberus, the always-on aegis. Add in suppression and theoretically the Cerberus is invincible half its life - if you can land every blackout. On the flip side, AC and SB bots will eat you, neither does a DM Raven care about you... But there is also a big difference from Raven, the 20% didn't exist for at least a year.
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Post by Munki on Apr 15, 2020 11:29:27 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. What weapons are you running on yours? Sorry for the late reply, I have Ember/Igniters.
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Post by Munki on Apr 15, 2020 11:37:26 GMT -5
Interesting. I haven’t used it yet and am upgrading it to at least a 8 or 9 before use it in combat. I’m in Master II League and can’t see it being useful til then. I also need to upgrade it modules - so far it gave two reactors. QUESTION TO ALL: What modules are you running in the 2 passive and 1 active slots? Had Cerberus for almost a week and got it up to level eight and started running it. It’s got LVL 10 thunder & Storm, LVL 7 Cryo with maxed out reactor and light armor. Corporal Adrian Chong is the pilot. I got to say I’m not a fan as of yet. It is incredibly weak at level eight with these weapons and modules. I’m not even sure if I see an effect from Blackout. I can’t even tell if an enemy has been affected. I’m in the Master II League. If I’m grading it now, I give it a D-. It’s not even all that fast, maybe like Hover or Rogatka It’s gonna cost a ton of Ag and time to bring it to MK2. Disappointing addition. Thankful I didn’t pay for one. Several things can block the blackout shot including blue teammates and physical shields. If they are running Anti-Control, then most of the effects will have been negated. However, if the shot hits and works, you will see the symbols for lockdown and weapon damage mitigation show up over the target's head in succession. Also, the bot will have the energy effect on the legs and weapons showing the lockdown and damage mitigation working. You need to move the bot in and out of cover and it helps to time the shot release as there is a delay in the release of the ability. Yes this bot can fall QUICKLY in battle, but in the right circumstances, I have gotten GODLIKE and survived in the bot for multiple minutes. Often, when surviving, the HP is unaffected since I was properly using my Aegis shield. Kills with this bot are quite satisfying.
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Post by Jeb on Apr 15, 2020 17:50:53 GMT -5
Kills with this bot are quite satisfying. THIS.
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Post by Mig-Am on Apr 15, 2020 18:40:39 GMT -5
Had Cerberus for almost a week and got it up to level eight and started running it. It’s got LVL 10 thunder & Storm, LVL 7 Cryo with maxed out reactor and light armor. Corporal Adrian Chong is the pilot. I got to say I’m not a fan as of yet. It is incredibly weak at level eight with these weapons and modules. I’m not even sure if I see an effect from Blackout. I can’t even tell if an enemy has been affected. I’m in the Master II League. If I’m grading it now, I give it a D-. It’s not even all that fast, maybe like Hover or Rogatka It’s gonna cost a ton of Ag and time to bring it to MK2. Disappointing addition. Thankful I didn’t pay for one. Several things can block the blackout shot including blue teammates and physical shields. If they are running Anti-Control, then most of the effects will have been negated. However, if the shot hits and works, you will see the symbols for lockdown and weapon damage mitigation show up over the target's head in succession. Also, the bot will have the energy effect on the legs and weapons showing the lockdown and damage mitigation working. You need to move the bot in and out of cover and it helps to time the shot release as there is a delay in the release of the ability. Yes this bot can fall QUICKLY in battle, but in the right circumstances, I have gotten GODLIKE and survived in the bot for multiple minutes. Often, when surviving, the HP is unaffected since I was properly using my Aegis shield. Kills with this bot are quite satisfying. So my understanding is Cerberus should be put in the Raven-Hover-Strider category : learn it and have lots of fun. I'm thinking of a nuke setup (Vortex-Thermite). For my 5th bot rotation. After I level my taser Tyr.
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Post by Munki on Apr 16, 2020 10:35:37 GMT -5
Several things can block the blackout shot including blue teammates and physical shields. If they are running Anti-Control, then most of the effects will have been negated. However, if the shot hits and works, you will see the symbols for lockdown and weapon damage mitigation show up over the target's head in succession. Also, the bot will have the energy effect on the legs and weapons showing the lockdown and damage mitigation working. You need to move the bot in and out of cover and it helps to time the shot release as there is a delay in the release of the ability. Yes this bot can fall QUICKLY in battle, but in the right circumstances, I have gotten GODLIKE and survived in the bot for multiple minutes. Often, when surviving, the HP is unaffected since I was properly using my Aegis shield. Kills with this bot are quite satisfying. So my understanding is Cerberus should be put in the Raven-Hover-Strider category : learn it and have lots of fun. I'm thinking of a nuke setup (Vortex-Thermite). For my 5th bot rotation. After I level my taser Tyr. Manni has some YouTube video of that bot/weapon loadout.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 16, 2020 10:54:04 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. I have one fortifier. It’s sucks. I used on my Falcon in place of basic armor and I got chewed up. Not to mention they 25M Ag to upgrade the first time from 10% to 12%. What would I expect for it on a weak Cerberus?
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Post by Munki on Apr 16, 2020 11:07:05 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. I have one fortifier. It’s sucks. I used on my Falcon in place of basic armor and I got chewed up. Not to mention they 25M Ag to upgrade the first time from 10% to 12%. What would I expect for it on a weak Cerberus? It raises the overall Aegis shield size and regeneration rate. The shield has low HP. The bump is nice but the shield will drop from a full hit by many weapons regardless. But the regen is very important. I really suggest watching Manni's videos on the Cerberus and you can see how the shield goes down and back up again quickly. If played right, this bot won't take damage as the shield can theoretically take infinite damage if allowed to regen between hits.
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Post by RightOn on Apr 16, 2020 11:46:41 GMT -5
Presently, I have a Fortifier and Last Stand on it. Will eventually go with two Fortifiers. For active, I run Shield Breaker but using Quantum Radar or Phase Shift also make a lot of sense. I just like SB since the Pantheon bots will come walking out fully exposed and when SB gets activated, they are TOAST! SB is less expected than Quantum Radar these days given everyone wants to go after the Ao Juns but the game has a fair bit of network lag for me so hitting fast bots can be difficult. Pantheon bots running their ability are slow so I can hit them even if they are lagged. The Fortifiers are the magic for this bot. Seems on the surface that it would not do much since the overall HP of the shield is low but Cerebus has a fast recharge and when that is boosted with pilot skill and fortifiers, this bot is tough to take down one on one. I have one fortifier. It’s sucks. I used on my Falcon in place of basic armor and I got chewed up. Not to mention they 25M Ag to upgrade the first time from 10% to 12%. What would I expect for it on a weak Cerberus? Falcon doesn't have any shields to benefit from fortifier, no wonder it sucked.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 19, 2020 2:45:36 GMT -5
I have one fortifier. It’s sucks. I used on my Falcon in place of basic armor and I got chewed up. Not to mention they 25M Ag to upgrade the first time from 10% to 12%. What would I expect for it on a weak Cerberus? It raises the overall Aegis shield size and regeneration rate. The shield has low HP. The bump is nice but the shield will drop from a full hit by many weapons regardless. But the regen is very important. I really suggest watching Manni's videos on the Cerberus and you can see how the shield goes down and back up again quickly. If played right, this bot won't take damage as the shield can theoretically take infinite damage if allowed to regen between hits. Thx. Good suggestion. I swapped it out. Stoopit question: Is it worthwhile to upgrade Fortifiers? Right now (for some reason) I have 25% off upgrade costs and have enough and then some to do so.
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Post by themandalorian on Apr 19, 2020 2:48:30 GMT -5
I have one fortifier. It’s sucks. I used on my Falcon in place of basic armor and I got chewed up. Not to mention they 25M Ag to upgrade the first time from 10% to 12%. What would I expect for it on a weak Cerberus? Falcon doesn't have any shields to benefit from fortifier, no wonder it sucked. Yeah, seems like that’s what @lil munki was suggesting. I thought that other attributes tl it would be a benefit, but was pretty pathetic without the energy shields. Would you recommend investing the 25 Ag to upgrade? Right now (for some reason) I can do it for 18.8 Ag.
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Post by RightOn on Apr 19, 2020 7:31:01 GMT -5
Falcon doesn't have any shields to benefit from fortifier, no wonder it sucked. Yeah, seems like that’s what @lil munki was suggesting. I thought that other attributes tl it would be a benefit, but was pretty pathetic without the energy shields. Would you recommend investing the 25 Ag to upgrade? Right now (for some reason) I can do it for 18.8 Ag. If you run bulwark or ancilot go for it. That's for this weekend
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