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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 11, 2020 13:25:48 GMT -5
Short version:
I’m building an All Falcon Hanger and will update with reviews of different builds.
Feel free to ask questions and share your own experiences.
Cheers
Longer version:
My 4th Falcon comes out of WS in a couple days and it’s time to dedicate some forum bytes to one of my favorite bots.
I scored some extra gold in the BungOw lottery and splurged on Cormac. He will eventually pilot the hanger’s lone Glory T-Falcon (aka GTFO) which will be 12Mk2, 5% skinned w a maxed AC and regular AKs.
The heavy brawler will be 5Mk2 w 3x 12Mk2 Avengers (nerf be damned), AC and Last Stand.
I’m not sure if I will take the others past lvl 9Mk1, but maybe.
With some pending upgrades, the initial build options include:
All Viper (3x 9Mk1)
Glory/ or Ember/Glacier (9Mk1 / 2x 1Mk2)
All Trident (1x 12mk2 and 2x 1Mk2)
All Tempest (1x 9Mk1 2x 12Mk2) If I like the build, I’ll work on getting Basil
I also have Redeemers, Zeus, and ‘Goons to try out, but will probably not make the final cut.
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Post by no pain 80 on Feb 11, 2020 13:57:57 GMT -5
I run a glory dual glacier regular falcon. I have a separate pilot with the traditionalist skill, but it is much more fun this way. My glory does not root at all except at point blank since the recent update on the lockdown weapons. I would try an ember instead of glory also considering the upcoming nerf on energy shotguns.
Have fun with your all falcon lineup,
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Post by no pain 80 on Feb 11, 2020 13:59:42 GMT -5
Redeemer and dual glacier build is an option too.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 11, 2020 14:19:00 GMT -5
I run a glory dual glacier regular falcon. I have a separate pilot with the traditionalist skill, but it is much more fun this way. My glory does not root at all except at point blank since the recent update on the lockdown weapons. I would try an ember instead of glory also considering the upcoming nerf on energy shotguns. Have fun with your all falcon lineup, Thx, It’ll probably take me the rest of the month to get it put together, so shooting for running it exclusively during March. Right now, the only TFalc option I see is Glory. I have a bunch of those 1x 12Mk2 and like 4x 1Mk1, lol. I have an OE Ember sitting around at 9Mk1, so that will likely pair with the Glaciers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 16:20:49 GMT -5
I have been itching to try a Calamity Falcon since I have three lying around. I approve of this thread, so might start levelling them and see how they go.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Feb 11, 2020 16:26:27 GMT -5
Please try a Falcon w/ Avenger and two Tridents. This is a build I plan on putting into my BR/Dom hanger (when I eventually open a 2nd hanger). Let me know how it goes.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 11, 2020 19:08:43 GMT -5
Please try a Falcon w/ Avenger and two Tridents. This is a build I plan on putting into my BR/Dom hanger (when I eventually open a 2nd hanger). Let me know how it goes. I have tried a variety of hybrid builds. With Trident wings I have tried Avenger, Ember, Tempest, Goon and Zeus. IMO, the best match for Trident wings is Trident center. I am a very active Falcon player; Talons out* early as often as possible. With all the moving and jumping, there’s not much attention left for selective weapons firing. As such, I prefer to either use 3 of the same weapon or 3 of the same family. E.g. Zeus/Goons or Avenger/Tempests. But if you have the weapons, you should give it a try. Everyone is different and you may prefer a more measured and calculating playstyle. I’m more like... (scroll to 0:50)
*because Falcons don’t have fangs |
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Post by blackheart on Feb 11, 2020 21:03:23 GMT -5
i run a tfalc with avenger , might switch to a fo falcon with avenger exodus
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Post by RightOn on Feb 11, 2020 22:03:28 GMT -5
Agreed on Redeemer and Exo/Glacier. Those are high risk, high reward weapons.
Just 2 Redeemers lv8 will do 30k a shot. That's obscene. A full mag from 2 is over 200k. You'll have to empty your mag every time though.
Same with glaciers/Exo. Full mag is ~200k, but those have auto reload.
That's not even including the center weapon.
I'd worry about avenger/tempest because the cycle time is close to exceeding fangs out. You might need speedshooter IDK I never tried them.
I always ran sharpshooter Thunders on my Avenger Falcon and that will thoroughly tear an Arthur a new one.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Feb 11, 2020 22:05:20 GMT -5
Please try a Falcon w/ Avenger and two Tridents. This is a build I plan on putting into my BR/Dom hanger (when I eventually open a 2nd hanger). Let me know how it goes. I have tried a variety of hybrid builds. With Trident wings I have tried Avenger, Ember, Tempest, Goon and Zeus. IMO, the best match for Trident wings is Trident center. I am a very active Falcon player; Talons out* early as often as possible. With all the moving and jumping, there’s not much attention left for selective weapons firing. As such, I prefer to either use 3 of the same weapon or 3 of the same family. E.g. Zeus/Goons or Avenger/Tempests. But if you have the weapons, you should give it a try. Everyone is different and you may prefer a more measured and calculating playstyle. I’m more like... (scroll to 0:50)
*because Falcons don’t have fangs Yeh wierd name for a special ability, Talons Out works so much better. Anyway that's why I'm planning on building a Falcon over another Fury. I think your right about tripple tridents being much better that two, damage wise theres a great difference. I used to run a Trident/Molot Nat before I got the TT Fury. The Nat was okay, it didn't devastate targets like the TT Fury but it could take down an ancile with the molots and then pound with the tridents. Back then tridents fired everything they had, no holding back, anciles were serious a problem. Now I think the main issue a trident build needs to overcome is all the stealth builds, quantum radar is essential. I think with the Falcon's mobility and durability it'll get in close with other bots, rather than just staying at 600m. Avenger might be more useful than a Tempest because I imagine the Falcon would be more useful on smaller maps when compared to a TT Fury. What are your thoughts? Which would be better, Avenger/Tridents or Tempest/Tridents? |
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Post by milty72 on Feb 12, 2020 2:37:42 GMT -5
Agreed on Redeemer and Exo/Glacier. Those are high risk, high reward weapons. Just 2 Redeemers lv8 will do 30k a shot. That's obscene. A full mag from 2 is over 200k. You'll have to empty your mag every time though. Same with glaciers/Exo. Full mag is ~200k, but those have auto reload. That's not even including the center weapon. I'd worry about avenger/tempest because the cycle time is close to exceeding fangs out. You might need speedshooter IDK I never tried them. I always ran sharpshooter Thunders on my Avenger Falcon and that will thoroughly tear an Arthur a new one. I'm finding full Tempest is near perfect sync with fangs out clip size. And fangs in reload. If you are using it in an alternating mode you can sync it so you get a near continual supressing fire. Being the Falcon he's a mighty tank at 12mk1. Use Lockdown Ammo you can become an annoying 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 from 600 mtrs. |
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Post by milty72 on Feb 12, 2020 2:46:41 GMT -5
I've loved the Falcon from the first moment I played it in Skirmish. Love the mechanic with it. So many options. So much fire power and combinations.
I jagged Cormac for mine.
As I've said before I seem to gravitate to Tempest. This month I got my the to my L10 capping point before the OE NE merge.
I could see the value in a Redeemer/Exodus build but my weapons aren't upgraded enough to play with to compare.
I would like to play it as a burst build as well someday.
Ember/Glacier Lockdown Ammo would be nice. Jump, root, freeze and burn. Fingers crossed they don't ghost on you.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2020 5:49:20 GMT -5
I have tried a variety of hybrid builds. With Trident wings I have tried Avenger, Ember, Tempest, Goon and Zeus. IMO, the best match for Trident wings is Trident center. I am a very active Falcon player; Talons out* early as often as possible. With all the moving and jumping, there’s not much attention left for selective weapons firing. As such, I prefer to either use 3 of the same weapon or 3 of the same family. E.g. Zeus/Goons or Avenger/Tempests. But if you have the weapons, you should give it a try. Everyone is different and you may prefer a more measured and calculating playstyle. I’m more like... (scroll to 0:50)
*because Falcons don’t have fangs Yeh wierd name for a special ability, Talons Out works so much better. Anyway that's why I'm planning on building a Falcon over another Fury. I think your right about tripple tridents being much better that two, damage wise theres a great difference. I used to run a Trident/Molot Nat before I got the TT Fury. The Nat was okay, it didn't devastate targets like the TT Fury but it could take down an ancile with the molots and then pound with the tridents. Back then tridents fired everything they had, no holding back, anciles were serious a problem. Now I think the main issue a trident build needs to overcome is all the stealth builds, quantum radar is essential. I think with the Falcon's mobility and durability it'll get in close with other bots, rather than just staying at 600m. Avenger might be more useful than a Tempest because I imagine the Falcon would be more useful on smaller maps when compared to a TT Fury. What are your thoughts? Which would be better, Avenger/Tridents or Tempest/Tridents? My most effective build is all Avengers, I still get multiple god likes every on occasion. One of my funnest and highest longevity builds is the TT. My issue with mixing weapons families is the different firing mechanics; Trident is carefully aimed w some splash and Avenger is hold it down spray-and-pray. With TT I can jump around, focus on aiming and not worry about weapons selection. If you can take a more measured approach, I guess Avenger/Tridents could work. Stay at 550+ for Trident use and save the Avenger for when the action gets closer. But I’m too much of a spaz to pull this off, lol. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2020 5:52:00 GMT -5
i run a tfalc with avenger , might switch to a fo falcon with avenger exodus That could work well. The mixed weapons are easier to manage when you have 1 for careful selection and the other 2 can join in when it’s time to pounce. Soften em up with Avenger spooling up, pounce, wait a second, track your target through the arching jump, then mash the red button. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2020 5:54:52 GMT -5
Agreed on Redeemer and Exo/Glacier. Those are high risk, high reward weapons. Just 2 Redeemers lv8 will do 30k a shot. That's obscene. A full mag from 2 is over 200k. You'll have to empty your mag every time though. Same with glaciers/Exo. Full mag is ~200k, but those have auto reload. That's not even including the center weapon. I'd worry about avenger/tempest because the cycle time is close to exceeding fangs out. You might need speedshooter IDK I never tried them. I always ran sharpshooter Thunders on my Avenger Falcon and that will thoroughly tear an Arthur a new one. I'm finding full Tempest is near perfect sync with fangs out clip size. And fangs in reload. If you are using it in an alternating mode you can sync it so you get a near continual supressing fire. Being the Falcon he's a mighty tank at 12mk1. Use Lockdown Ammo you can become an annoying 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 from 600 mtrs. Yup, Tempest has one of the best reload/cooldown matches. On the flip side, I always recommend NOT using Zeus in the wings because you miss an extra shot by like a second or two. Zeus center w Goons is fun. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2020 5:58:57 GMT -5
I've loved the Falcon from the first moment I played it in Skirmish. Love the mechanic with it. So many options. So much fire power and combinations. I jagged Cormac for mine. As I've said before I seem to gravitate to Tempest. This month I got my the to my L10 capping point before the OE NE merge. I could see the value in a Redeemer/Exodus build but my weapons aren't upgraded enough to play with to compare. I would like to play it as a burst build as well someday. Ember/Glacier Lockdown Ammo would be nice. Jump, root, freeze and burn. Fingers crossed they don't ghost on you. Funny story, I hated it when I first built one. I landed 5k comps in a SC and decided to finish in the WS. I tried it a bit and shelved it at level 5. A clan mate started running one and mentioned that it was one of the higher learning curve bots in the game at that time, so I gave it another try and stuck with it. The rest is history. DB builds are fun. I’ve been running Glory/Glacier but will be switching to Ember/Glacier soon I think. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Feb 12, 2020 16:03:53 GMT -5
Try viper with exodus (or preferably glacier) for t-falcon and leech countering. For t-falcs you just wait until they turn to another of your teammates (which happens a lot because it takes for ever to kill a falcon with one heavy) then whip out the rockets and put them where the sun doesn't shine.
Leeches are a bit more tricky, but fairly easy to kill (or maim) if done right. All you do is pelt them with the viper and then when they use the ability try to make them chase you without catching you then when they try to escape with the ability almost gone then you just whip out the rockets and jump after them.
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Post by Phycoshot on Feb 12, 2020 16:59:24 GMT -5
Any thoughts on a calamity and redeemer build? I have the weapons I would just need to level them up. Or maybe something like calamity and avenger.
Redeemers pack a punch you would just need to get in close I'm guessing, but the avengers might give you more space.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2020 17:30:41 GMT -5
Any thoughts on a calamity and redeemer build? I have the weapons I would just need to level them up. Or maybe something like calamity and avenger. Redeemers pack a punch you would just need to get in close I'm guessing, but the avengers might give you more space. I tried Redeemer wings for a while and I didn’t take to it. I only have the 2, and with the short reload time, I think they are better suited to an always-available bot (Bully, Ao Jun, etc.). I have yet to level up a Calamity, but will eventually. Redeemer/Calamities might be interesting. Avengers are my current favorite. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Feb 13, 2020 12:42:34 GMT -5
Any thoughts on a calamity and redeemer build? I have the weapons I would just need to level them up. Or maybe something like calamity and avenger. Redeemers pack a punch you would just need to get in close I'm guessing, but the avengers might give you more space. being able to dump and go is best if you have exodus or glacier (or hell, one of each) because you don't want to be out in the open long during the ability since the resistance is down. Avengers work mighty well but the rockets allow for more survivability. Either way works and it is your choice but the rockets have just worked better for me (and I did try the avengers setup). |
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Post by Loganspawn on Feb 13, 2020 15:11:56 GMT -5
I loved running the Avenger center Trident fangs out build myself but haven't ran that since Traditionalist hit. Thinking with all these Ao Jun and other bots that are weak after they use there ability (phantoms, Leeches, Ares ETC) it might be a good way to sit back and shake things up.
Good luck on your Falcon endeavor.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 13, 2020 15:44:50 GMT -5
I loved running the Avenger center Trident fangs out build myself but haven't ran that since Traditionalist hit. Thinking with all these Ao Jun and other bots that are weak after they use there ability (phantoms, Leeches, Ares ETC) it might be a good way to sit back and shake things up. Good luck on your Falcon endeavor. Thx, I’m gonna need it.  |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 13, 2020 15:47:08 GMT -5
With weapons only at 6, 7 and 9, this isn’t packing much punch, but it is a fun build. I’ll get back to leveling up the Vipers after the OE upgrade window closes.  |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 13, 2020 15:57:33 GMT -5
i run a tfalc with avenger , might switch to a fo falcon with avenger exodus Takes time to develop an instinct for when to pounce, but wicked good fun. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 13, 2020 16:04:07 GMT -5
An important PSA regarding Falcon weapons reloading:
Unlike other transformer builds, the back two weapons will auto reload when Falcon is in cool down. You do NOT need to empty the clip.
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Post by Old-Cat on Feb 13, 2020 22:32:54 GMT -5
In your honor I’m gonna run mine tonight. I’ll even try three machine guns.
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Post by Old-Cat on Feb 13, 2020 22:33:37 GMT -5
In your honor I’m gonna run mine tonight. I’ll even try three machine guns.
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Post by Phycoshot on Feb 14, 2020 10:08:25 GMT -5
Any thoughts on a calamity and redeemer build? I have the weapons I would just need to level them up. Or maybe something like calamity and avenger. Redeemers pack a punch you would just need to get in close I'm guessing, but the avengers might give you more space. being able to dump and go is best if you have exodus or glacier (or hell, one of each) because you don't want to be out in the open long during the ability since the resistance is down. Avengers work mighty well but the rockets allow for more survivability. Either way works and it is your choice but the rockets have just worked better for me (and I did try the avengers setup). I just have no heavy rockets, working on some right now for my strider, might try just avengers if I get enough gold. |
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Post by WattTron on Feb 14, 2020 10:35:10 GMT -5
Don't forget to make a Traditionalist Ancile Falcon to just hog a beacon.
It is a sacrificial robot but it just might make the difference.
Being one dimensional does have many drawbacks such as being predictable and more importantly, borging zzzzzzzz.
I am currently developing a Falcon that has 2 Fluxes and a Tempest.
I have had some decent luck with it on long maps but the project is still in its infancy so time will tell.
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Post by Koalabear on Feb 14, 2020 11:04:20 GMT -5
The Chimera fits really well with the Falcon's Fangs Out ability too. Three Chimeras can do a ton of damage if all 18 missiles hit. It can be a bit boring to play if you're used to brawling or direct confrontations but if you're the type who loves the psychological aspects of homing missile builds, this is a good upgrade from Hydras. I've thought about selling my Chimeras as I don't enjoy using them anymore, but there have been times when I would pull them out for nostalgia's sake.
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