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Post by The VVatcher on Jan 26, 2020 22:06:41 GMT -5
I'm planning to ws a fenrir, and with this thread, I wanted your folks thoughts on bulwark vs fenrir. Based on stats alone, the fenrir is tankier, not including the 50% dr in assault mode. It's also faster in shield mode. I'm planning on running it as a lead hose (hopefully no nerf...) because thats what I have available, but thinking about energy shotguns down the road (which I don't have). Thoughts? Fenrir is most definitely tankier in non-Aegis mode, especially with Nicholas Wodenson. No physical shield like Bully, but with high DR it doesn't need it. Bully has a much stronger Aegis shield than Fenrir, and of course has more firepower than Fenris in Aegis mode, but Fenrir in DR mode is tougher and hits harder. I persobally consider Bully more versatile, but if you're looking for a true Tank, Fenrir with Santa is your better choice. Do you know if Nicolas Woodson is available in the shop?
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jan 27, 2020 1:09:43 GMT -5
I have a question and a pointer for all. I don't have a bulwark myself but I am going to get one after my 2nd pulsar is finally done and my 2nd deemer for bully is done. My question is, will this setup work well?
2 deemers, 3 fortifiers and all shield skills, extra speed, healing and health as well as some damage out put in the pilot skills. IDK how the deemers will work on bully but it seems to be a good choice. Anyway, onto my pointer (plenty of skirmish testing and basic reasoning to make it worth hearing).
Basically bullys shield is your new health bar, you play the shield, not the bot, the shield. What you do is make sure your shield is full (and maxed as much as possible) and step out of cover, fire for as long as you are out there and when your shield is almost dead step into cover so you never use your health or physical.
Now sure you will have the physical to use but only in case they break your yellow one earlier than you thought or if someone gets close. This tactic will give you practically infinite health meaning bully is an amazing last bot (or middle bot) since you will last much of the game while dealing great damage.
I guess this is a tactic most have thought of but yet those that I see on the battle field usually stay out until their shield is completely gone and switching to their physical until they are in cover, this in turn leaves them open to damage which gets them killed quickly. Thoughts, suggestions?
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jan 27, 2020 2:10:34 GMT -5
I have a question and a pointer for all. I don't have a bulwark myself but I am going to get one after my 2nd pulsar is finally done and my 2nd deemer for bully is done. My question is, will this setup work well? 2 deemers, 3 fortifiers and all shield skills, extra speed, healing and health as well as some damage out put in the pilot skills. IDK how the deemers will work on bully but it seems to be a good choice. Anyway, onto my pointer (plenty of skirmish testing and basic reasoning to make it worth hearing). Basically bullys shield is your new health bar, you play the shield, not the bot, the shield. What you do is make sure your shield is full (and maxed as much as possible) and step out of cover, fire for as long as you are out there and when your shield is almost dead step into cover so you never use your health or physical. Now sure you will have the physical to use but only in case they break your yellow one earlier than you thought or if someone gets close. This tactic will give you practically infinite health meaning bully is an amazing last bot (or middle bot) since you will last much of the game while dealing great damage. I guess this is a tactic most have thought of but yet those that I see on the battle field usually stay out until their shield is completely gone and switching to their physical until they are in cover, this in turn leaves them open to damage which gets them killed quickly. Thoughts, suggestions? I run a Redeemer Bully (full specs posted earlier in this thread). The tactic you describe is definitely the goal, and can probably last you the whole battle with Flux, Tempests, Tridents, or Dragoons. But with Redeemers, you're generally just too exposed to enemy fire once you get inside 350m...you WILL get caught with your shield down. Ao Jun and Leech in particular will come at you and obliterate your Aegis in a heartbeat. Keep your eyes open, USE COVER, and switch shields whenever you think you can grab 5sec of down time to top up the Aegis. Road Hog is an absolute necessity if you're running a Brawlwark, because you need to make your boy dance if you plan to stay alive very long. But those 'Deemers pack a hell of a punch with a very short reload, so it can be a devastating build if used carefully. Or a lumbering punching bag if used improperly.
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Post by ahxish on Jan 27, 2020 5:03:16 GMT -5
Fenrir is most definitely tankier in non-Aegis mode, especially with Nicholas Wodenson. No physical shield like Bully, but with high DR it doesn't need it. Bully has a much stronger Aegis shield than Fenrir, and of course has more firepower than Fenris in Aegis mode, but Fenrir in DR mode is tougher and hits harder. I persobally consider Bully more versatile, but if you're looking for a true Tank, Fenrir with Santa is your better choice. Do you know if Nicolas Woodson is available in the shop? Havent seen nicholas in shop.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 25, 2020 22:38:38 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but it has useful info in it for anyone using the search function on bulwarks, so I'll add to it. I just had an amazing one on one with an ao jun in my ao jun hunting bully. Mk1 level 9 bully, Mk1 level 12 tridents, 3x level 1 fortifiers, Legendary Pilot Tobias with live feed and physical shield expert. I spawned at the top of the map and I walked up the middle past E to D beacon. There were red campers on the hill protecting D and a blue was battling at the bottom of the map in the western red spawn area heind the two buildings there. So I move into cover behind the low structures in the middle, with the souther most exhaust stack at my back and shoot at the red. So he managed to get behind cover after only taking minor damage from a couple of hits and while he's waiting to beable to fly Im reloading. So I get behind that chimney stack or whatever that great big column is and he comes, up goes my aegis shield and on goes the Quantum Radar, blam blam blam he takes 3 salvos from the tridents my shield dies and I disappear behind cover and switch to physical shield, recharging the aegis as I dance around the column. So he lands on top of the long structure that seperates the west from the central part, i unloaded a few more rounds into him before he dropped down on the far side. To make a long story short we repeated this dance three time, he couldn't damage me while i was chipping away at him. After failing to get support from his team mates by shooting at them he decided to disengage and walked behind cover towards beacon C. Of course I wanted to finish him off so took a few shots at him from beside that big building in the middle. He came after me again and up went the shield but he was too low on health so I won! Then he came at me with his Ao Ming but the game ended before he could get to me. So yeh, this bully is capable of holding its own, one on one atleast, even against Ao Juns. I plan on getting energy shield, crazy electrician, armor expert and modules expert as well as the skills i alread got. At the moment the aegis shield isn't strong enough to last more than 6 seconds so modules expert isn't going to be helpful yet. I'll turn this into a brawler when it gets tougher.
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Post by reconnecting on Mar 25, 2020 23:27:04 GMT -5
I use my Bully as an anti-Titan bot. He has 2 Calamities lvl 9 and 10. He does enough damage that AMs turn their fire onto him and start hunting. So, yeah, its a late game bot for when Titans are giving blues a bad time.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 26, 2020 10:54:36 GMT -5
I use my Bully as an anti-Titan bot. He has 2 Calamities lvl 9 and 10. He does enough damage that AMs turn their fire onto him and start hunting. So, yeah, its a late game bot for when Titans are giving blues a bad time. imgur.com/hwUwVGlv
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 12:03:35 GMT -5
Yes! Quantum Radar anti-Ao Jun dumbness, and fun! I also have 3x Fortifiers, someday to be leveled.....
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 26, 2020 17:45:00 GMT -5
Ok so just to try it out I swapped Adrian out of the rayker into the bully and purchased master weapon smith. So now i'm sitting on +9% to damage and on level 12 tridents the difference is good enough to shelve Tobias.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 26, 2020 17:59:43 GMT -5
Ok so just to try it out I swapped Adrian out of the rayker into the bully and purchased master weapon smith. So now i'm sitting on +9% to damage and on level 12 tridents the difference is good enough to shelve Tobias. Looking good! I wanted Tobais to be good, but honestly his VORP is really low.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Mar 26, 2020 18:45:41 GMT -5
Tobias MIGHT be worthwhile on a mid-range or long-range build. Forgo the Shield skills, focus on pure offense with Lockdown Ammo, DM, or Quantum Radar with greatly reduced cooldown.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Mar 27, 2020 0:23:16 GMT -5
My Glacier Bully that I posted back on the first page of this thread is now completely maxed out and I won another fortifier so wacked that on for extra shielded goodness.
Players in special princess power bots still greatly underestimate this build and with the recent demise of the shotguns it can now stand toe to toe with Leechs' and Phantoms. Once the Ao Minges come out though, well that's a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:11:12 GMT -5
Since it may be time for Ao Jun to get neutered, I put mine in the LR hangar with Calamities.
Back to Avenger Bully, which still shreds....and Lockdown Ammo is fun.
I am considering trying Glacier build....I have 1 at L10, the other L7.....
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Post by blackheart on Mar 29, 2020 22:48:24 GMT -5
I just won a 2nd fortifier. ( 「fluffernutter」) Time to build a bulwark to make use of it. Gonna run redeemers on it. Start wsing my first redeemer tomorrow.
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Post by aaronc on Mar 29, 2020 23:16:55 GMT -5
I still use Vipers on mine. 2 fortifiers and a nuclear reactor. It still find it great. Duck behind cover to relaod guns and recharge shield
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Post by no pain 80 on Mar 29, 2020 23:27:41 GMT -5
My viper buly will definitely love the upcoming Ao Jun nerf.
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Post by Mig-Am on Mar 29, 2020 23:49:39 GMT -5
I run two Bulwarks, both work really well from close to mid range : - Twin Calamity, usually my 2nd or 3rd bot, guidance operator is a must - Twin Vipers, turning into an OK option to fight Kids and non-maxed non-plasma AM after my Arthur gets blown into pieces.
With shield skills + multiple unleveled fortifiers + minimal coverage +/- PS, you can survive and kill an Ao Jun with both of these setups (all level 1.10 now). Multiple Ao Jun you die obviously.
Might try to have my Fenrir - Bulwark trade Plasma - Tazer for a change, just need to finish that second Redeemer in the WS. Main issue being getting guidance operator skill to the Fenrir (5th skill, gold needed).
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 30, 2020 3:54:15 GMT -5
I still use Vipers on mine. 2 fortifiers and a nuclear reactor. It still find it great. Duck behind cover to relaod guns and recharge shield That's an interesting idea, using only 2 fortifiers on a ranged bully. I might try the same, it'd probably suit my tridents. In fact with Adrian's mastery +5%, master gunny +5%, and a Thermonuclear Reactor +5% it'd be an pretty good balance. For a hit and evade build. Edit: Yep, this works well. After an hour of play, its more of a challenge surviving and so I put phase shift on there instead of Quantum Radar. Its the first time I've equipped that module and it makes surviving AJs so much easier, even with the reduced strength of the aegis shield. The extra damage is good too. I think I'll upgrade the Thermonuclear Reactor before the fortifiers.
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Post by aaronc on Mar 31, 2020 2:47:23 GMT -5
I still use Vipers on mine. 2 fortifiers and a nuclear reactor. It still find it great. Duck behind cover to relaod guns and recharge shield That's an interesting idea, using only 2 fortifiers on a ranged bully. I might try the same, it'd probably suit my tridents. In fact with Adrian's mastery +5%, master gunny +5%, and a Thermonuclear Reactor +5% it'd be an pretty good balance. For a hit and evade build. Edit: Yep, this works well. After an hour of play, its more of a challenge surviving and so I put phase shift on there instead of Quantum Radar. Its the first time I've equipped that module and it makes surviving AJs so much easier, even with the reduced strength of the aegis shield. The extra damage is good too. I think I'll upgrade the Thermonuclear Reactor before the fortifiers. I use shield breaker and find it extremely effective against Ares. So often they just stand there and let me pummel them. I try not to worry too much about Ao Jun. If one comes after me I’m probably dead.
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