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Post by 《₩hirl》 on Nov 9, 2016 3:35:54 GMT -5
Hey gang. Incase you haven't figured, the Stalker is perhaps my favourite bot in War Robots. It's light, fast, looks sexy as hell, can cause trouble but not overpowered. I love it.
Now, I am by no means a pro Stalker pilot, and I have no intention of being pro-anything, anytime soon.
What I would like to know, is what/where in the tier/level department does the Stalker shine brightest? I'm not trying to shoehorn it into bronze, nor chasing gold, just what level should I have it and its weapons to suit a hangar/tier setup.
I don't care about what tier to go for, and I am willing to arrange my entire hangar specifically to suit this one bot because I love it so much.
For what it's worth, I have a 3/6 med 4/8 light high bronze hangar, and am also working on a 6/7-8 heavy hangar (whatever that is).
I have two Stalkers, one lvl1, one lvl6, preferred weapons are magnums, only one pair at lvl8, but willing to grab another set if needed for hangar balancing, or will take my 8's as high as needed.
I've done some (read limited) testing with other weapons at various levels but I can't seem to find that sweet spot for it.
Winrate hovers between 70-80%
Thoughts?
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Nov 9, 2016 4:27:52 GMT -5
I've asked this before and most people on this forum believe there are better alternatives. I stopped using stalkers a few months ago after a MM change ruined my silver tier line-up when the stalker was included.
I've thought a fully max'ed stalker in a low gold hangar could be useful but don't feel like the cost is worth the experiment for me.
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Post by 《₩hirl》 on Nov 9, 2016 5:19:23 GMT -5
Hm. Dare I say low gold is a bit far for me right now, but its a good idea.
I've even thought about running a hanger of ONLY penalty bots, which is also a decent way off. And possibly stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 14:16:35 GMT -5
The penalty is the same regardless of having 1 bot or 5 from WSP/Britbot pool.
7/8 (5/9,3/10) stalker with 4/7 (3/8)mediums should land you in mid-high silver. You'll be severely underpowered.
Hold off with using any penalized bots unless you're in gold, Pix said their MM changes should be the first quarter of 2017
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 18:55:43 GMT -5
I find I use the Stalker very little with my capping hangar (lvl 4 on all). Jacks things up, and doesnt seem to be as tough as a Gep either. The stealth mode is not as useful, because we are learning to fight the Stalker on level ground, where weapons can still hit it. I could go for dropping the stealth, and adding a tiny bit more speed/health.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 18:56:54 GMT -5
Hm. Dare I say low gold is a bit far for me right now, but its a good idea. I've even thought about running a hanger of ONLY penalty bots, which is also a decent way off. And possibly stupid. It does sound fun though. Nothin wrong with mixing it up. Might make you a better pilot. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 14, 2016 19:03:16 GMT -5
I find I use the Stalker very little with my capping hangar (lvl 4 on all). Jacks things up, and doesnt seem to be as tough as a Gep either. The stealth mode is not as useful, because we are learning to fight the Stalker on level ground, where weapons can still hit it. I could go for dropping the stealth, and adding a tiny bit more speed/health. The amount of damage you take in a well timed stealth is extremely minimal, and being the fastest bot in the game, This bot is able to run away from anything  . Personally I like (don't like when I'm up against it) the harassment ability that the stalker is capable of. Best setups are with pinatas and aphids. Pinatas make use of the stealth ability best, however when using aphids on the stalker, the stealth is only needed to travel out in the open briefly or getting out of tough spots. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 19:10:10 GMT -5
The amount of damage you take in a well timed stealth is extremely minimal, and being the fastest bot in the game, This bot is able to run away from anything . Personally I like (don't like when I'm up against it) the harassment ability that the stalker is capable of. Best setups are with pinatas and aphids. Pinatas make use of the stealth ability best, however when using aphids on the stalker, the stealth is only needed to travel out in the open briefly or getting out of tough spots. Im a plasma nut, so thats what Ive always used. I will give those two setups a whirl. Like the Gep, it is a great harassment bot! |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 14, 2016 19:14:44 GMT -5
The amount of damage you take in a well timed stealth is extremely minimal, and being the fastest bot in the game, This bot is able to run away from anything . Personally I like (don't like when I'm up against it) the harassment ability that the stalker is capable of. Best setups are with pinatas and aphids. Pinatas make use of the stealth ability best, however when using aphids on the stalker, the stealth is only needed to travel out in the open briefly or getting out of tough spots. Im a plasma nut, so thats what Ive always used. I will give those two setups a whirl. Like the Gep, it is a great harassment bot! Plasma is great, however since the stalker is best suited in low gold, and magnums are generally sustained fire weapons (which the stalker is not suited for), pinatas and aphids work best, my personal recommendation to you would be to run aphids. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 19:56:19 GMT -5
Im doing my tasks right now, and I always change my hangars, so I will go for it.
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Post by Heishiro on Nov 14, 2016 20:50:34 GMT -5
maps like PP and DC are good playground for the stalker. very fast to cap and recap the beacons specially the center of DC.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Nov 15, 2016 3:25:35 GMT -5
High silver and low gold are probably the only places a Stalker is worth it. Beyond that you're going to have limited success with the bot.
While the Stalker is one of the best beacon runners of the game, the lack of damage output in top tier is a really big handicap. A Rhino or Galahad are decent beacon runners but also have enough staying power to hold it.
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Post by mauer on Nov 15, 2016 3:52:30 GMT -5
Not speaking about tiers (matchmaking works now differently), Stalker is bot i respect. And more respect and emotions its related when profi steering it. Its very very annoying and even hard for some bots to kill it. If Stalker comes with support - it's very painful and annoying. Stalker is agile, no doubt - best beacon hunter. I would also say that stalker is awesome Patton/Gepards (Aphids) hunter these days. It's crucial to have in the right moment to catch 2-3 red beacons near the end of the game.
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Post by Heishiro on Nov 15, 2016 4:37:21 GMT -5
level 7 stalker with 2 Level 11 aphids, what possible tier can this setup drop me?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 15, 2016 4:55:28 GMT -5
level 7 stalker with 2 Level 11 aphids, what possible tier can this setup drop me? Low gold, may as well upgrade the stalker to lvl 9 as well, as you will still be in low gold. |
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Post by Heishiro on Nov 15, 2016 4:58:04 GMT -5
^ glad to know that, so light bots even WSP dont have much penalty compared to medium and heavy bots?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 15, 2016 5:02:45 GMT -5
^ glad to know that, so light bots even WSP dont have much penalty compared to medium and heavy bots? The mm penalty doesn't even apply to gold. I have run countless games with my 8/9 heavy, 9/10 medium, and 10/11 light bots, most of which are brit and WSP, and all of my opponents are either below my bot level or very similar. This has nothing to do with winrate btw, as I have run this hangar after farming a 100% winrate and the results are the same. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 15, 2016 5:03:46 GMT -5
^ glad to know that, so light bots even WSP dont have much penalty compared to medium and heavy bots? As to your original question, the mm penalty is the same no matter what class the bot is in. |
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Post by Heishiro on Nov 15, 2016 5:13:34 GMT -5
^ glad to know that!  |
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Post by tttt on Nov 15, 2016 15:43:26 GMT -5
Echoing Mauer, i used to bring the stalker out first thing. I'd cap the near and side beacons fast - too fast though. I could maybe get the middle beacon but most often that's it. Red was still paying attention to their side beacon, and I'd just get capped.
I'm finding it best as a mid or late game option to flank and grab their beacons, then run and cause havoc.
That said, I did have an awesome high damage, 8-beacon,10-gold game once when I brought it out first and ran it almost the whole game in dead city. But that doesn't happen often enough.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 15, 2016 17:14:14 GMT -5
On the flip side, how do I counter stalkers with a Cossack?
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Post by Curry Pot on Nov 15, 2016 19:43:03 GMT -5
Usually you shouldn't even be seeing stalkers often with cossacks since the two specialize in completely different tiers, and any stalkers that you do see should be underarmed and underpowered to compensate for the MM penalty.
If you do see stalkers, then jumping will defeat aphids and pinatas. Gun stalkers usually have no idea what they are doing and should be easy pickings for experienced players. Mag stalkers are a completely different story, but they shouldn't be a problem; after all, there's a reason no one uses stalkers to farm.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 15, 2016 20:28:39 GMT -5
Usually you shouldn't even be seeing stalkers often with cossacks since the two specialize in completely different tiers, and any stalkers that you do see should be underarmed and underpowered to compensate for the MM penalty. If you do see stalkers, then jumping will defeat aphids and pinatas. Gun stalkers usually have no idea what they are doing and should be easy pickings for experienced players. Mag stalkers are a completely different story, but they shouldn't be a problem; after all, there's a reason no one uses stalkers to farm. The issue with that is the fact that I do see mag stalkers farming... |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 15, 2016 21:07:10 GMT -5
To counter stalkers, you can just cornershoot them like everything else if they have mags. Your taran should dish relative damage to the stalkers mags, if not more, as stalkers are penalised. If they are doing the annoying hiding and then going into stealth thing, then either pin them into 1 position or move on to another beacon and let your better equipped teammates hold the beacon.
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Post by Curry Pot on Nov 15, 2016 21:48:43 GMT -5
Usually you shouldn't even be seeing stalkers often with cossacks since the two specialize in completely different tiers, and any stalkers that you do see should be underarmed and underpowered to compensate for the MM penalty. If you do see stalkers, then jumping will defeat aphids and pinatas. Gun stalkers usually have no idea what they are doing and should be easy pickings for experienced players. Mag stalkers are a completely different story, but they shouldn't be a problem; after all, there's a reason no one uses stalkers to farm. The issue with that is the fact that I do see mag stalkers farming... That's odd... What level are your bots? |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 15, 2016 22:09:40 GMT -5
The issue with that is the fact that I do see mag stalkers farming... That's odd... What level are your bots? L 1/8 |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 15, 2016 22:12:54 GMT -5
That's odd... What level are your bots? L 1/8 4/6 stalkers should get into high bronze Unless the mm penalty is over 20% |
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Post by Curry Pot on Nov 15, 2016 22:51:26 GMT -5
I think weapons are weighted slightly more heavily than bot level, so that may be a contributing factor to seeing stalkers. I have run a 4/6 light hangar a few times before, and nearly all of the stalkers I have seen were at 1/5 or below. It was a while ago since I did that though, so MM may have changed for lower tiers.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 16, 2016 0:02:44 GMT -5
I think weapons are weighted slightly more heavily than bot level, so that may be a contributing factor to seeing stalkers. I have run a 4/6 light hangar a few times before, and nearly all of the stalkers I have seen were at 1/5 or below. It was a while ago since I did that though, so MM may have changed for lower tiers. Makes sense, seeing as WSP bots generally penalise your hangar by 3 weapon levels, and 2 bot levels roughly equates to 1 weapon level. (1/5 stalker is roughly 2.5 weapon levels lower than a 4/6 light bot.) |
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. Personally I like (don't like when I'm up against it) the harassment ability that the stalker is capable of. Best setups are with pinatas and aphids. Pinatas make use of the stealth ability best, however when using aphids on the stalker, the stealth is only needed to travel out in the open briefly or getting out of tough spots.
