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Post by moses on Dec 4, 2019 1:22:13 GMT -5
If you are running around in a Loki the whole game you are handicapping your team and reducing the odds of winning for everyone.
sure - it might be useful to drop in and catch a critical beacon behind enemy lines at a key point in the odd game or hold out as a last chance drop vs a slow moving red in a 1on1 at the end of a game to keep / gain a beacon edge as the clock runs down.
but if you drop in Loki as first bot and spend 10 mins doing laps of the beacons you basically leave it as a 5v6 for fellow blues.
sure you turn a lot of beacons, but 99 times out of 100 the beacon is recaptured by reds in a few seconds as there is no one defending it.
On top of that, as the rest of the blue team is 5 vs 6 they are much more likely to mech out faster than normal given your failure to pull your weight in the firefight to take AND HOLD beacons.
5 vs 6 will soon be 4 vs 6 the 3 vs 6 and so on, while all you are doing is pointless laps of the battlefield.
just stop.
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Post by Replicant on Dec 4, 2019 2:16:48 GMT -5
My experience with Loki is that you're taking beacons and pulling bots off the front line to chase you. I've had plenty of games where I've created 4 vs 2 situations in Blue's favor but instead of pressuring undefended beacons they're sitting behind cover. The problem isn't with the Loki - it lies somewhere between the seat of the pilot and his UI.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 2:52:43 GMT -5
Who cares with the current meta! Loki is tons of fun! It can kill a few reds too, if you play sneeky.
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Post by bravex on Dec 4, 2019 7:34:19 GMT -5
It's like the problem with campers. Running a mid or even long range build can be helpful but if you spend the entire game as a support bot and push to center you are hurting the team.
Loki is best used by keeping him in reserve until the team desperately needs a beacon. Cap beacons and backshoot any red who isn't keeping at eye on you.
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Post by Nitro on Dec 4, 2019 9:59:19 GMT -5
Loki pilots like myself reading this post:
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Post by integeritis on Dec 4, 2019 12:48:25 GMT -5
Let me add a story about a fellow blue. Canyon. Match started, he rans to cap enemy beacon. He was late, enemy capped it. He was constantly hugging a Natasha and a Lance there without moving away from an already red beacon. I was in my ION Spec. I started shooting the Natty, small damage. Shoot again, no damage, then again no damage. Idiot Loki kept blocking my shots. I kept shooting it waiting for the idiot to make him notice what is going on, to finally start hugging that Natty from the other side, but nonono. He did not care, and kept shielding the Natasha. I was shooting the Natasha for a good 30 seconds, with barely any meaningfull result. Oh, and I died at the end. There are plenty of stupid players, but I rarely see this level of stupidity. I felt like my brain melts during that 30 seconds. This is a picture of me after the battle with my team. Loki is on the left holding my shoulder.
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Post by Loganspawn on Dec 4, 2019 13:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by Desc440 on Dec 4, 2019 14:13:04 GMT -5
That's why Loki's usually my last drop.
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Post by Garbage game on Dec 4, 2019 14:38:42 GMT -5
If you are running around in a Loki the whole game you are handicapping your team and reducing the odds of winning for everyone. sure - it might be useful to drop in and catch a critical beacon behind enemy lines at a key point in the odd game or hold out as a last chance drop vs a slow moving red in a 1on1 at the end of a game to keep / gain a beacon edge as the clock runs down. but if you drop in Loki as first bot and spend 10 mins doing laps of the beacons you basically leave it as a 5v6 for fellow blues. sure you turn a lot of beacons, but 99 times out of 100 the beacon is recaptured by reds in a few seconds as there is no one defending it. On top of that, as the rest of the blue team is 5 vs 6 they are much more likely to mech out faster than normal given your failure to pull your weight in the firefight to take AND HOLD beacons. 5 vs 6 will soon be 4 vs 6 the 3 vs 6 and so on, while all you are doing is pointless laps of the battlefield. just stop. Nah. In fact it’s the only thing that makes facing an AW deathsquad remotely entertaining. Most of the time my solo teammates can kill stuff ok but they are missing the top inch of the screen so they can’t see the beacon bar. I help the game go longer. And it usually takes more than 1 person to deal with a Loki, especially on Yam. So if I occupy the attention of two reds, blue have a 5v4 advantage on center
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 19:01:04 GMT -5
And a lot of times it works just the opposite: loki creates such a distraction that players stay behind to guard the beacon(s) while their teammates get outnumbered. Here's a great picture I snapped when three reds wouldn't leave a beacon of a loki: And before that that loki was nibbling the flux camper, keeping him occupied:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 19:28:10 GMT -5
OP, you're so far off I don't know where to start, most Loki pilots greatly increase their teams chances...and most don't run them like flux Fury off in a corner...meaning their contribution is usually very meaningful
oh, btw that's me on the right, grooving beacons and usually pulling 2-3 reds away to try to chase me around
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Post by cheap on Dec 5, 2019 1:04:21 GMT -5
yeah you should not chase after a Loki unless your in a Bot that can handle one, you should have low Weapon Mounts if you plan on going after one.
you should at least know how to aim with out Quantum Radar, Shottys, Rockets(splash), Cryo(slowdown freeze), and Lockdown weapons should be used.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 5:25:18 GMT -5
I get a warm feeling when a friendly Loki spawns. And frustration when an enemy Loki spawns. They tend to contribute a lot to the match.
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Post by moses on Dec 5, 2019 17:28:50 GMT -5
My experience with Loki is that you're taking beacons and pulling bots off the front line to chase you. I've had plenty of games where I've created 4 vs 2 situations in Blue's favor but instead of pressuring undefended beacons they're sitting behind cover. The problem isn't with the Loki - it lies somewhere between the seat of the pilot and his UI. Absolutely - but you are the exception that proves the rule. The problem is definitely not with Loki as a bot, but rather with the way that people them - unfortunately the majority of pilots are not playing the Loki as you are.
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Post by moses on Dec 5, 2019 17:29:46 GMT -5
It's like the problem with campers. Running a mid or even long range build can be helpful but if you spend the entire game as a support bot and push to center you are hurting the team. Loki is best used by keeping him in reserve until the team desperately needs a beacon. Cap beacons and backshoot any red who isn't keeping at eye on you. 100% agreed
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Post by moses on Dec 5, 2019 17:39:38 GMT -5
OP, you're so far off I don't know where to start, most Loki pilots greatly increase their teams chances...and most don't run them like flux Fury off in a corner...meaning their contribution is usually very meaningful
oh, btw that's me on the right, grooving beacons and usually pulling 2-3 reds away to try to chase me around
Yep....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:30:39 GMT -5
OP, you're so far off I don't know where to start, most Loki pilots greatly increase their teams chances...and most don't run them like flux Fury off in a corner...meaning their contribution is usually very meaningful
oh, btw that's me on the right, grooving beacons and usually pulling 2-3 reds away to try to chase me around
Yep.... Sorry, wrong. Most flux Furies kill your chances of winning. Most Loki pilots greatly increase your chances, and draw reds away to go deal with them. We’re talking about War Robots, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:11:43 GMT -5
How often has a lone Loki won the match . I hazard to say more often than any other single bot has.
It is a tradeoff sometimes sure, how would we have done had they spawned in a equally leveled Ao Jun , hard to say. All we can do is speak to the fact that Loki wins the match often.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:28:44 GMT -5
How often has a lone Loki won the match . I hazard to say more often than any other single bot has. It is a tradeoff sometimes sure, how would we have done had they spawned in a equally leveled Ao Jun , hard to say. All we can do is speak to the fact that Loki wins the match often. I’ve lost count of how many games which I’ve carried the blues due to my Loki. There are many games where reds have beat us, in spite of a wide damage gap, because their Loki’s trashed our beacon bar. Loki’s also draw red away to deal with them, I understand that Phantom is a far stronger bot, but if anything my Phantom I just started building will replace Strider or Ao Jun before it replaces my Loki. Pulling 2 or more reds away from the other blues is valuable.
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