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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 29, 2019 11:38:08 GMT -5
I donâ??t care why you do it, I donâ??t care if I enjoy your company on the forums, on discord, or in my clan. Hell, I donâ??t even care whether youâ??re wearing red or blue. Tank all you want in FFA, and donâ??t give me that cry-baby ?dookie? about how itâ??s harder to tank in FFA, bite me. But...if you tank in BR, you ?fluffernutter?ing suck, end of story. And the extra ?dookie?ty thing about it is that when you come in last place nullifying my effort, with your 1-and-done beacon grab, you get to count that as a success. Well, when you get hungry from all that tanking effort, hereâ??s some breakfast for ya... Ahhh, I feel so much better now.
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Post by go red on Oct 29, 2019 15:36:42 GMT -5
I don't mind tanker on my team. If MM put me on the winning whale team I usually finish last and get 2-3 league points, but if I'm in a losing tanker team I usually finish 1st and get 7 league points.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:47:57 GMT -5
I donâ??t care why you do it, I donâ??t care if I enjoy your company on the forums, on discord, or in my clan. Hell, I donâ??t even care whether youâ??re wearing red or blue. Tank all you want in FFA, and donâ??t give me that cry-baby ?dookie? about how itâ??s harder to tank in FFA, bite me. But...if you tank in BR, you ?fluffernutter?ing suck, end of story. And the extra ?dookie?ty thing about it is that when you come in last place nullifying my effort, with your 1-and-done beacon grab, you get to count that as a success. Well, when you get hungry from all that tanking effort, hereâ??s some breakfast for ya... Ahhh, I feel so much better now. How about dropping in on a BR match and your team composes of 3 Nori/Zenits, a Cossack and a Fury Treb? The LEAVE button is the only one I push. I have a feeling they just press quick match and end up in whatever.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 29, 2019 16:37:41 GMT -5
I donâ??t care why you do it, I donâ??t care if I enjoy your company on the forums, on discord, or in my clan. Hell, I donâ??t even care whether youâ??re wearing red or blue. Tank all you want in FFA, and donâ??t give me that cry-baby ?dookie? about how itâ??s harder to tank in FFA, bite me. But...if you tank in BR, you ?fluffernutter?ing suck, end of story. And the extra ?dookie?ty thing about it is that when you come in last place nullifying my effort, with your 1-and-done beacon grab, you get to count that as a success. Well, when you get hungry from all that tanking effort, hereâ??s some breakfast for ya... Ahhh, I feel so much better now. How about dropping in on a BR match and your team composes of 3 Nori/Zenits, a Cossack and a Fury Treb? The LEAVE button is the only one I push. I have a feeling they just press quick match and end up in whatever. When you see that, you’ll need a whole case of the cereal. I still go down swinging - every now and then, the Red team has a similar group of assclowns as well. There was one a week ago where I swear only 3 of us were trying out of all reds and blues combined.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 29, 2019 17:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 29, 2019 21:05:27 GMT -5
Sorry man, my wifi died just when the game was getting good.
BTW, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get out of Champions League without the use of tanking.
Tried tanking in FFA, but turns out there's always someone worse than me on that mode.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 29, 2019 22:21:00 GMT -5
Don't tank. Use lower bots and weapons. May take a while, but the system will drag you down. Then stick with lower bots and weapons. I stayed with 11-12 weapons/bots, and I yo-yo between MI and MIII.
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Post by T34 on Oct 30, 2019 0:06:18 GMT -5
OP, just as an FYI. Something happened to/in FFA that makes it inefficient to tank there (Pix directly or indirectly involved). BR has really fast start ups and games are over really quick. Its to a tanker as a huge cheese is to a mouse.
This is an unbalanced P2W game. Dont take too seriously. In any case your outcomes wont change. Its only confirmation bias.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 30, 2019 0:16:46 GMT -5
Sorry man, my wifi died just when the game was getting good. BTW, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get out of Champions League without the use of tanking. Tried tanking in FFA, but turns out there's always someone worse than me on that mode. I can’t tell if you’re serious or not, but I don’t think we should discuss tanking methods.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 30, 2019 0:36:24 GMT -5
Sorry man, my wifi died just when the game was getting good. BTW, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get out of Champions League without the use of tanking. Tried tanking in FFA, but turns out there's always someone worse than me on that mode. I can’t tell if you’re serious or not, but I don’t think we should discuss tanking methods. Yeah my bad. I was serious when writing that post, then just after hitting enter I stopped being serious. But then I became serious again just when I was about to delete the post. Sorta drunk rn :/
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Oct 30, 2019 1:06:57 GMT -5
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not, but I don’t think we should discuss tanking methods. Yeah my bad. I was serious when writing that post, then just after hitting enter I stopped being serious. But then I became serious again just when I was about to delete the post. Sorta drunk rn :/ Haha. All good! Have one for me.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 30, 2019 21:59:57 GMT -5
OP, just as an FYI. Something happened to/in FFA that makes it inefficient to tank there (Pix directly or indirectly involved). BR has really fast start ups and games are over really quick. Its to a tanker as a huge cheese is to a mouse. This is an unbalanced P2W game. Dont take too seriously. In any case your outcomes wont change. Its only confirmation bias. I take it seriously enough to do a little happy dance on battles like this one on moon. Beacon deficit comeback victory, came down to 2 on 2 then 2 on me, then 1 on 1 then me for the win. Suck on THAT tank bois...
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Post by Windybutt on Oct 30, 2019 22:24:43 GMT -5
Tankers are just stupid, there's no gain. They waste time instead of getting silver, honor, gold. Just to get their ego inflated in a few games against easier opponents (while earning less of everything). Besides the boredom of going through all that, to then quickly re-gain positions with wins (its a lot faster to go up than down.....). Plus they ruin it for others. Just senseless nincompoops. Deadweight loss for all sides involved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 10:48:13 GMT -5
Don't tank. Use lower bots and weapons. May take a while, but the system will drag you down. Then stick with lower bots and weapons. I think this is still a form of tanking. The point of the game is to put your best effort with the best hardware you have at your disposal. And, as you are pointing out yourself, you are spreading misery to your teammates over many, many games. Not that I'm blaming you, that's the only choice many players are left with.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 31, 2019 16:09:07 GMT -5
Don't tank. Use lower bots and weapons. May take a while, but the system will drag you down. Then stick with lower bots and weapons. I think this is still a form of tanking. The point of the game is to put your best effort with the best hardware you have at your disposal. And, as you are pointing out yourself, you are spreading misery to your teammates over many, many games. Not that I'm blaming you, that's the only choice many players are left with. my 11 and 12's are my best i have. And I don't think you deal with the same RNG/MM that I do. There are Champions League players here that just do nothing but pad their damage. BR, Dom it doesn't matter. They have max weapons, pilot skills, ect. They won't lose their League position due to always coming in 1st and 2nd on a losing team. I have heard several times. "Oh, they're just playing smart." BS, they are 「wee-wee」 licking pudknockers of the highest order. They have been spreading that misery for as long as I've been in Masters.
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Post by Phycoshot on Oct 31, 2019 16:33:36 GMT -5
So long as nobody mistakes carpe diem over here on amazon for a tanker when he runs 'his fun hangar' then it's all good. SOme people just don't understand how powerful cossacks, rogs, and gareths can be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:32:23 GMT -5
Agree! Hate tankers.
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Post by T34 on Oct 31, 2019 17:37:26 GMT -5
OP, just as an FYI. Something happened to/in FFA that makes it inefficient to tank there (Pix directly or indirectly involved). BR has really fast start ups and games are over really quick. Its to a tanker as a huge cheese is to a mouse. This is an unbalanced P2W game. Dont take too seriously. In any case your outcomes wont change. Its only confirmation bias. I take it seriously enough to do a little happy dance on battles like this one on moon. Beacon deficit comeback victory, came down to 2 on 2 then 2 on me, then 1 on 1 then me for the win. Suck on THAT tank bois... If you are serious about it than give Pix a few hundred dollars a fortnight, join a whale clan, run in squads and you will get your wins and opportunities to celebrate. Your frustrations will vanish with respect to the above context. If not than you will be exposed to the other form of the unbalanced nature of the game which is required for monetisation and which in turn will produce several other side effects. When the game is unbalanced there will be gaps all over the place and people will do what benefits them the most. Just human nature. But no matter what you do, you will only have a few good balanced games in every dozen or so where your individual input matters and is appropriately rewarded . Whether you pay or not the game will still be unbalanced. But unbalanced in different ways. Otherwise the game is as is. It is meant to frustrate you so that you cough up. Even if this particular symptom would be removed the root cause will still remain and will produce another source of frustration for you. There is nothing you can do about how the game is and there will be no solace for you if you don’t accept the limitations/issues and despite of that still like playing it. But you know all this anyhow….
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 18:10:43 GMT -5
I think this is still a form of tanking. The point of the game is to put your best effort with the best hardware you have at your disposal. And, as you are pointing out yourself, you are spreading misery to your teammates over many, many games. Not that I'm blaming you, that's the only choice many players are left with. my 11 and 12's are my best i have. And I don't think you deal with the same RNG/MM that I do. There are Champions League players here that just do nothing but pad their damage. BR, Dom it doesn't matter. They have max weapons, pilot skills, ect. They won't lose their League position due to always coming in 1st and 2nd on a losing team. I have heard several times. "Oh, they're just playing smart." BS, they are ?wee-wee? licking pudknockers of the highest order. They have been spreading that misery for as long as I've been in Masters. I misunderstood then; when you suggested to use lower using lower bots I thought you meant fielding weaker hardware so that you can you "manage" your league standing this way. Agreed, we certainly don't deal with the same MM or play on the same platform, for that matter. I play or rather played on steam, where with 500 active players maximum you can see almost every kind of pathology: from being matched with gold players in Champions League to facing maxed out Champions League players when your gear is below level 10. Here the level 11-12 will get you to champ in no time and once you are there, you are not dropping to masters. Unless you use more, ahem, active measures. And that, unfortunately, is what a lot of players do. But as I wrote, I don't blame players but the system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 18:15:48 GMT -5
Otherwise the game is as is. It is meant to frustrate you so that you cough up. Even if this particular symptom would be removed the root cause will still remain and will produce another source of frustration for you. There is nothing you can do about how the game is and there will be no solace for you if you don’t accept the limitations/issues and despite of that still like playing it. But you know all this anyhow…. The worst part is that this system is catching on, it's already spilling over to PC market. A lot of complaining these days about companies such as activision, EA and Bethesda for pushing loot boxes and more and more p2w elements into their online games.
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Post by T34 on Oct 31, 2019 18:54:18 GMT -5
Tankers are just stupid, there's no gain. They waste time instead of getting silver, honor, gold. Just to get their ego inflated in a few games against easier opponents (while earning less of everything). Besides the boredom of going through all that, to then quickly re-gain positions with wins (its a lot faster to go up than down.....). Plus they ruin it for others. Just senseless nincompoops. Deadweight loss for all sides involved. No gain you say? A premium item from the WS in 3 to 4 days with copious amount of silver on top or multiples of SCs a month (rather not say how many because it is embarrassing) without lifting a finger and carrying a 60%+ win rate. Then I know how to get far more riveting games on top of that. All this without scripting and while admitting I’ve seen people use much better approaches but haven’t figured out just yet how they do it. But I do admit some play to bash other under equipped players. Same way as the P2W crowd does over the weaker ones. But whats wrong with it, it is the principle premise of the game. Thats why everyone presses that upgrade button to get one up on the other guy or get closer to that whale.
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Post by Windybutt on Oct 31, 2019 20:07:39 GMT -5
Tankers are just stupid, there's no gain. They waste time instead of getting silver, honor, gold. Just to get their ego inflated in a few games against easier opponents (while earning less of everything). Besides the boredom of going through all that, to then quickly re-gain positions with wins (its a lot faster to go up than down.....). Plus they ruin it for others. Just senseless nincompoops. Deadweight loss for all sides involved. No gain you say? A premium item from the WS in 3 to 4 days with copious amount of silver on top or multiples of SCs a month (rather not say how many because it is embarrassing) without lifting a finger and carrying a 60%+ win rate. Then I know how to get far more riveting games on top of that. All this without scripting and while admitting I’ve seen people use much better approaches but haven’t figured out just yet how they do it. But I do admit some play to bash other under equipped players. Same way as the P2W crowd does over the weaker ones. But whats wrong with it, it is the principle premise of the game. Thats why everyone presses that upgrade button to get one up on the other guy or get closer to that whale. Please, explain to me the gain. Feel free to go as deep as you want in the mathematics, maybe I've missed something. p.s. - i started in march, and my records are 4m silver in a single game, 6m+ damage, 23 kills (all these 3 stats in separate games). I have a full mk2 invader with only purchasing 4 times premium (twice 10 day ones), and only 600g offers now and then. When I play a few games after reset in masters, even if i win an epic game, i still get less than winning a normal game in champs. because the honor, silver, etc, is scaled and is less. But please tell me how i will get more by using time to tank and then play in lower level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 21:09:37 GMT -5
No gain you say? A premium item from the WS in 3 to 4 days with copious amount of silver on top or multiples of SCs a month (rather not say how many because it is embarrassing) without lifting a finger and carrying a 60%+ win rate. Then I know how to get far more riveting games on top of that. All this without scripting and while admitting I’ve seen people use much better approaches but haven’t figured out just yet how they do it. But I do admit some play to bash other under equipped players. Same way as the P2W crowd does over the weaker ones. But whats wrong with it, it is the principle premise of the game. Thats why everyone presses that upgrade button to get one up on the other guy or get closer to that whale. p.s. - i started in march, and my records are 4m silver in a single game, 6m+ damage, 23 kills (all these 3 stats in separate games). I have a full mk2 invader with only purchasing 4 times premium (twice 10 day ones), and only 600g offers now and then. I think that's exactly what you are missing, what you are spending adds to quite a bit in roughly six month period. And my guess is that once you go through your bills you'll realize that you actually spent even more than you thought. If I had to guess people who tank don't spend a dime and cannot put up numbers you are achieving.
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Post by Windybutt on Oct 31, 2019 22:26:40 GMT -5
p.s. - i started in march, and my records are 4m silver in a single game, 6m+ damage, 23 kills (all these 3 stats in separate games). I have a full mk2 invader with only purchasing 4 times premium (twice 10 day ones), and only 600g offers now and then. I think that's exactly what you are missing, what you are spending adds to quite a bit in roughly six month period. And my guess is that once you go through your bills you'll realize that you actually spent even more than you thought. If I had to guess people who tank don't spend a dime and cannot put up numbers you are achieving. regardless, you can still focus on 1 bot and do ffa to farm and get things faster. The time you use in tanking does not add up. most of these tankers have way better gear than i have... multiple hangars... many mkw stuff... so that's just excuses. And regarding my bills, i rarely buy 600g without having bonus gold on purchase, 200g and over usually. i guess you know that means waiting around a couple of weeks. not important for the point, just a bracket.
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Post by psychopsyd on Oct 31, 2019 23:40:38 GMT -5
The easiest way to drop levels is to have PIXO decide your device is unworthy of playing full games....
<PIXO>"Oh look.... PSYCHOPSYD is playing and has a good game going....FREEZE HIS GAME...lock up the app so he has to reboot...oh, and for good measure, put him in the LEAVER'S QUE until he has an aneurysm from ranting at us in the help section....."
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<PIXO> "Ok.... we've tried all the sexual positions with our mothers and sisters that PSYD suggested, and translated all of his profanity into Russian....gotta say, this guy needs psychological help...hmmmm, well duh... he's PSYCHOPSYD.... let's take him out of the LEAVER'S QUE, since we aren't going to let his game play full games and we keep tacking on more games that he has to play to get out when he reboots, give him a half-<bum-bum>ed apology and reassure him that we have been working diligently to solve the problem (HA-HA- MOTHER?fluffernutter?ING- HA...BITE IT PSYD) and ask him to be patient."
I guarantee this method will drop you 3 leagues faster than using 1 weapon lvl 1 DESTRIERs in Champions League....(NOT THAT I ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF ACTION).
As a kicker....you get reported as a tanker to PIXO for the partial games you play and have to reboot to make the app work and you get warnings from the mothership that your "attempts to game the system" are being monitored and your account is at risk of being deleted.
Hmmmm....have I missed anything?
Oh yeah.... because there is no warning as to when the game will freeze, you have to play like you only have 2 bots...so it's suicide missions all the way to try to earn honor points. If the game lets you play, you've wasted 2 bots being overly aggressive. Then, as soon as you play like you will have 5 bots, it starts freezing again and you score next to nothing for that game....
I obviously need a check up from the neck up if I let this game keep drawing me back....
Ok....rant over....tankers suck worse than whales...I promise to try my best to kill you all and steal your beacons. (And I wouldn't leave your beer unsupervised around me either.)
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Post by Windybutt on Nov 1, 2019 7:29:58 GMT -5
(And I wouldn't leave your beer unsupervised around me either.) That's a perfect way to get herpes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:01:11 GMT -5
I think that's exactly what you are missing, what you are spending adds to quite a bit in roughly six month period. And my guess is that once you go through your bills you'll realize that you actually spent even more than you thought. If I had to guess people who tank don't spend a dime and cannot put up numbers you are achieving. regardless, you can still focus on 1 bot and do ffa to farm and get things faster. The time you use in tanking does not add up. most of these tankers have way better gear than i have... multiple hangars... many mkw stuff... so that's just excuses. And regarding my bills, i rarely buy 600g without having bonus gold on purchase, 200g and over usually. i guess you know that means waiting around a couple of weeks. not important for the point, just a bracket. In general, I agree with you. The point of joining the game is to play, deliberately sitting it out is messed up. With that being said, unfortunately there are moments where there's strong incentive to tank. The biggest one I see is the infamous Champions League battle chest points: imagine you are sitting at ~600k points and the season just rolled. So you are placed into 5 qualification games and if you happen to do poorly in those then you get dropped into master and you almost wrap around twice all the rewards up to master. That's huge and except some components you might not even need you get way better rewards than getting that Champions League crate. I don't like tanking (as a full disclosure I did some myself in the past), but even bigger problem is company that is unwilling to remove tanking incentives. FFS, Pixonic, drop the Champions League crate to ~400k points where it belongs.
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Post by Bui Dui on Nov 1, 2019 10:12:20 GMT -5
Does allowing your little brother/sister/gf/whatever, who lacks necessary skills for War Robots, to play the game count as tanking?
I don't do that.
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Post by Windybutt on Nov 1, 2019 15:36:56 GMT -5
regardless, you can still focus on 1 bot and do ffa to farm and get things faster. The time you use in tanking does not add up. most of these tankers have way better gear than i have... multiple hangars... many mkw stuff... so that's just excuses. And regarding my bills, i rarely buy 600g without having bonus gold on purchase, 200g and over usually. i guess you know that means waiting around a couple of weeks. not important for the point, just a bracket. In general, I agree with you. The point of joining the game is to play, deliberately sitting it out is messed up. With that being said, unfortunately there are moments where there's strong incentive to tank. The biggest one I see is the infamous Champions League battle chest points: imagine you are sitting at ~600k points and the season just rolled. So you are placed into 5 qualification games and if you happen to do poorly in those then you get dropped into master and you almost wrap around twice all the rewards up to master. That's huge and except some components you might not even need you get way better rewards than getting that Champions League crate. I don't like tanking (as a full disclosure I did some myself in the past), but even bigger problem is company that is unwilling to remove tanking incentives. FFS, Pixonic, drop the Champions League crate to ~400k points where it belongs. Yes, that crate i do get at reset. it is ridiculous, i stack to around 500-600k, then i get 2 full rounds of masters crate instantly. I guess i'm guilty too in that sense, but that's really 4 games right after reset, in ffa only. since you are at 5000 anyway. After that it's not worth it at all, it would mean way too many tanking games, not efficient. Besides, the champion crate does have one vastly underrated buff: the 10% off all abilities on all robots, for 5 days. When i'm on holidays and i play a lot (i dont anymore) i would actually grab about one a week, so i would have always 10% off all ablities, except for a couple days in weekend when i play less. That's a helluva buff.
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Post by psychopsyd on Nov 1, 2019 21:25:56 GMT -5
(And I wouldn't leave your beer unsupervised around me either.) That's a perfect way to get herpes! Hmmmmm....I guess that's why I go through so much Oragel and Chapstick....
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