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Post by RightOn on Oct 10, 2019 15:23:21 GMT -5
    And this goes and on and on... So here's my input on Leech: Leech isn't that awful. DR is not fulltime. The Leech effect is actually pretty interesting. Having 4 mediums is strong, but he's pretty tender and people will focus on you. DR isn't going to save you in the face of an Ares. Often times I would just brute outpower the leeches with Ao Jun or Ares, didn't even care who was goo'd. Funny thing is picking off stragglers... Phantom is fun as ?dookie?. The engagement time is 2/3 of his playtime, it's huge, and his DR has a much larger impact than even leech. The weaponset here sucked though. Shredder set would be crazy. Vipers are dangerous too against DR. That DoT is strong, on top of the Ao Jun's burn there is a lot of DoT. Ares here was essential for QRing AJs and punishing DR. It was probably the most important piece in the puzzle. |
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Post by aaronc on Oct 10, 2019 19:30:02 GMT -5
I've only played one game and it was TDM. All your points are valid but I cant say I enjoyed it. Too many magic powers, invisible bots, purple shields and pink rays for me. I found I had quite a bit of 'downtime' trying to find someone to shoot that was something I could target and wouldn't hurt me or my team.
Seemed to come down to who got their gimmick off first would usually win. There is definitely skill involved in timing those, but its just not a game I enjoy. Quantum Radar on the Ares and Phantom was handy against the Ao Jun
As for the Leech, well most of the Leechs I seemed to have faced since there release are higher level than my bots with guns that just rip me apart. Skilled opponent or not I'm dead! Early on I jumped at one in my level 9 Falcon. Couldn't see it was a Leech initially as I was jumping from around cover. My bot was dead before it hit the top of its jump arc. It took little over a second.
I feel this is the direction the game is going. Looks like good, old fashion, sluggfests are on the way out!
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Post by cheap on Oct 10, 2019 22:43:00 GMT -5
too Many Powers being used Reallllyyyyyyy made for a Lagged fill game.
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Post by hkang on Oct 10, 2019 23:38:15 GMT -5
And this goes and on and on... So here's my input on Leech: Leech isn't that awful. DR is not fulltime. The Leech effect is actually pretty interesting. Having 4 mediums is strong, but he's pretty tender and people will focus on you. DR isn't going to save you in the face of an Ares. Often times I would just brute outpower the leeches with Ao Jun or Ares, didn't even care who was goo'd. Funny thing is picking off stragglers... Phantom is fun as ?dookie?. The engagement time is 2/3 of his playtime, it's huge, and his DR has a much larger impact than even leech. The weaponset here sucked though. Shredder set would be crazy. Vipers are dangerous too against DR. That DoT is strong, on top of the Ao Jun's burn there is a lot of DoT. Ares here was essential for QRing AJs and punishing DR. It was probably the most important piece in the puzzle. The viper ao Jun does tons of damage because of two thermonukes. I doubt it would do as good as it is in skirmish on actual battlefield. |
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2019 5:07:03 GMT -5
Does the thermonuke effect the DoT? I mean it was a LOT of DoT. That is... 7-12% x2
I do agree the first few rounds were OCD, that I just had to get accustomed to it.
I didn't recall much lag going on, anymore than usual. May be device related. Could be the connection.
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Post by hkang on Oct 11, 2019 5:45:55 GMT -5
Does the thermonuke effect the DoT? I mean it was a LOT of DoT. That is... 7-12% x2 I do agree the first few rounds were OCD, that I just had to get accustomed to it. I didn't recall much lag going on, anymore than usual. May be device related. Could be the connection. Damn I was talking about some irrelevant info, I had a brainfart. |
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2019 5:49:13 GMT -5
Does the thermonuke effect the DoT? I mean it was a LOT of DoT. That is... 7-12% x2 I do agree the first few rounds were OCD, that I just had to get accustomed to it. I didn't recall much lag going on, anymore than usual. May be device related. Could be the connection. Damn I was talking about some irrelevant info, I had a brainfart. PS bro don't quote massive Picture posts XD |
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Post by hkang on Oct 11, 2019 10:23:03 GMT -5
Damn I was talking about some irrelevant info, I had a brainfart. PS bro don't quote massive Picture posts XD Lol XD |
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 11, 2019 13:50:26 GMT -5
Yeah I'm considering swapping out my Embers for a pair of Vipers on my Bulwark. dOt is God.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2019 20:46:27 GMT -5
Yeah I'm considering swapping out my Embers for a pair of Vipers on my Bulwark. dOt is God. I'll have to do the math on the wasps. It may be viable lv8: 344 dmg per second x 5 rounds x 2 wasps = ~3500 corrosion per second x 5 seconds = 17500 while the base cycle damage lv8 is ~13500 x 2 wasps ~27000 That's a considerable amount of damage to bypass DR. I might make Wasp Viper Fenrir, just need wasps. A sort of ploy of resistance. Viper adds 56250 corrosion per 15 second cycle. assuming perfect accuracy. At lv8. Cycle damage is 105,000, so about 160k dmg per cycle You'll fire 2 cycles of wasps from the start of a viper cycle. That's 90k or so. They are more accurate though and dish out to 600M. Overall you have 250k in 15 sec. 90k of which is DoT. At lv8. Assuming you attacked a turtled Falcon with 100% accuracy, you could probably kill it inside 15s. An Invader would barely survive. |
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Post by RightOn on Oct 12, 2019 17:12:15 GMT -5
 This game I thought was hopeless, but I just persist.  another decent here  That's out of 3 games lol. Did some more... this one was interesting... it was 15:15 when I died  |
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Post by rags on Oct 12, 2019 17:54:06 GMT -5
haven’t played this skirmish but Leech in a controlled environment is not how to judge it. It’s a gimmick bot made for phase shift. That makes it OP as a mofo in the real game.
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Post by babypoppy on Oct 12, 2019 18:13:57 GMT -5
I've only played one game and it was TDM. All your points are valid but I cant say I enjoyed it. Too many magic powers, invisible bots, purple shields and pink rays for me. I found I had quite a bit of 'downtime' trying to find someone to shoot that was something I could target and wouldn't hurt me or my team. Seemed to come down to who got their gimmick off first would usually win. There is definitely skill involved in timing those, but its just not a game I enjoy. Quantum Radar on the Ares and Phantom was handy against the Ao Jun As for the Leech, well most of the Leechs I seemed to have faced since there release are higher level than my bots with guns that just rip me apart. Skilled opponent or not I'm dead! Early on I jumped at one in my level 9 Falcon. Couldn't see it was a Leech initially as I was jumping from around cover. My bot was dead before it hit the top of its jump arc. It took little over a second. I feel this is the direction the game is going. Looks like good, old fashion, sluggfests are on the way out! Yep, in real life Leech is lethal. Had one take my full health L12 Traditionalist down in under ten seconds. Point blank with four Mk2 sharpshooter Storms. The Traditionalist easily holds its own against a maxed out Ares for that time and longer. |
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Post by RightOn on Oct 12, 2019 21:37:08 GMT -5
haven’t played this skirmish but Leech in a controlled environment is not how to judge it. It’s a gimmick bot made for phase shift. That makes it OP as a mofo in the real game. A controlled environment is the only way to know how powerful it actually is. Of course if you run in a MK2 Leech on live server it's going to hurt, because anything maxed Mk2 is going to hurt. And it has 4 mediums, but we already know how that worked with Spectre... As far as the DR goes, if you can't catch it in its downtime, you need ability damage to kill it. Phase Shift is just a compounding factor in his downtime, but I actually massively favored advanced heal. In real server, advanced heal is somewhat a loss, because you'll burn PC if you cap your HP frequently, and you aren't fully utilizing the heal. On another note Phase shift can bused to rush ares bubbles, not in a leech, but something else... with shotguns. I don't have phase shift though (lol). I'm not sure what makes me smile more... Ao Jun's flying into the water or getting into an Ares Bubble in a Storm Bulg |
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Post by rags on Oct 13, 2019 1:19:37 GMT -5
haven’t played this skirmish but Leech in a controlled environment is not how to judge it. It’s a gimmick bot made for phase shift. That makes it OP as a mofo in the real game. A controlled environment is the only way to know how powerful it actually is. Of course if you run in a MK2 Leech on live server it's going to hurt, because anything maxed Mk2 is going to hurt. And it has 4 mediums, but we already know how that worked with Spectre... As far as the DR goes, if you can't catch it in its downtime, you need ability damage to kill it. Phase Shift is just a compounding factor in his downtime, but I actually massively favored advanced heal. In real server, advanced heal is somewhat a loss, because you'll burn PC if you cap your HP frequently, and you aren't fully utilizing the heal. On another note Phase shift can bused to rush ares bubbles, not in a leech, but something else... with shotguns. I don't have phase shift though (lol). I'm not sure what makes me smile more... Ao Jun's flying into the water or getting into an Ares Bubble in a Storm Bulg your post is rambling and barely coherent but no a controlled environment is not the way to judge it becuz that’s not at all how it is used on the real server . On the real server it can alternate between its invincible ability and phase shift easily which makes it extremely difficult to kill. But sure, in la la skirmish land it’s all good. |
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Oct 13, 2019 1:31:21 GMT -5
Don't like this skirmish one bit...
I consider Phantom to be funnest bot to play in that lineup, but they made it completely useless with MR setup, jeeeeez, why...
Every other setup is just to promote sales, op and boring to play, power creep in it's purest form. And playing op setups against other op setups is just pointless because of their op-nest. Does that make any sense?
LOL I don't think so. Guess that was my point, though I did get a lot of War Robots-dumber just by playing a handful of matches. Brick fighting with magic buttons lol
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Post by aaronc on Oct 13, 2019 5:51:08 GMT -5
Yeah I'm considering swapping out my Embers for a pair of Vipers on my Bulwark. dOt is God. Ever since T Falcs started I got a coupke of Vipers on my Bulwark. It has benn a great contributor. Mine are levl 10. Would love to push them higher but have never done a 30+ mil upgrad and am seriously silver poor atm. |
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