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Post by krebby on Oct 10, 2019 10:45:25 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 10, 2019 10:50:45 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. That's what I'm thinking...I will do premium silver since it doubles OXP anyhow and will assess at end. I think if I got to 74 last time with struggle, 50 or so may be tough this time given the trend.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 10:52:50 GMT -5
I play a lot, too much, and sitting in mid Champions League 3 atm. I ran stats on 50 recent games and finished an average of top 1.25, win or lose. But this round just doesnâ??t have enough in it FOR ME. Maybe next time. And Iâ??m gonna keep banging this drum: I find it disturbing that they more than doubled the green crack rewards in both free and paid paths. I changed jobs in August, and while I can play some here and there, I donâ??t have the time I used to have. With this in mind, Iâ??ll pass this time around. Either way, I can still get, on average 5-6 beacons per game against strong competition. Iâ??ve hit 15 twice. I went nearly one year without spending and could do it again and not miss a beat. Yep, Iâ??m 100% ?Deutsche?bag bragging again, but also making this one point (Hello Pixonic), incentivize your customers generously (like last time) and we just might spend money on Phildos. Bait/switch etc. (like you predictably do each and every time) and I might just phase shift my wallet. Just sayin. You braggart you. My analysis of 30 recent games showed average placement of: Total HP 1.25, Dmg 1.34, Beacons 1.44 (w 3.5 beacons avg/match). I get top healing in 1/3 of battles which pushes my Total placement average higher than the Dmg or Beac. So yeah, I enjoy the game, good enough HP placement stats to easily grind to the end and I’m not opposed to spending a little RM. But this time, I’ll pass. Lmao that part.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 10:59:23 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. I think you everyone should hold off on premium pass until we understand this better.
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Post by rasnov on Oct 10, 2019 11:03:19 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. level 30 -> 1300
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 10, 2019 11:17:17 GMT -5
I play a lot, too much, and sitting in mid Champions League 3 atm. I ran stats on 50 recent games and finished an average of top 1.25, win or lose. But this round just doesnâ??t have enough in it FOR ME. Maybe next time. And Iâ??m gonna keep banging this drum: I find it disturbing that they more than doubled the green crack rewards in both free and paid paths. I changed jobs in August, and while I can play some here and there, I donâ??t have the time I used to have. With this in mind, Iâ??ll pass this time around. Either way, I can still get, on average 5-6 beacons per game against strong competition. Iâ??ve hit 15 twice. I went nearly one year without spending and could do it again and not miss a beat. Yep, Iâ??m 100% ?Deutsche?bag bragging again, but also making this one point (Hello Pixonic), incentivize your customers generously (like last time) and we just might spend money on Phildos. Bait/switch etc. (like you predictably do each and every time) and I might just phase shift my wallet. Just sayin.So much this ^ ^ ^... They fulfill our visions of them being bad drug dealers that hook you up with extra weight for less cost for the first time, then drop the weight and increase the cost every time after.
I still remember the first events with loot boxes that actually paid out tremendously. Compared to the last ones before they switched to the differnt formats.
And I would spend on a comparable OS to the last one, again. But not this time.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by bloodynipples on Oct 10, 2019 11:17:45 GMT -5
what....
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 11:25:35 GMT -5
what.... OXP awareded/match +40%, Requirement per Ops level +400% But we don’t know the requirements for higher levels, maybe higher in the front end, but not so crazy in the later levels...
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 11:28:24 GMT -5
I changed jobs in August, and while I can play some here and there, I donâ??t have the time I used to have. With this in mind, Iâ??ll pass this time around. Either way, I can still get, on average 5-6 beacons per game against strong competition. Iâ??ve hit 15 twice. I went nearly one year without spending and could do it again and not miss a beat. Yep, Iâ??m 100% ?Deutsche?bag bragging again, but also making this one point (Hello Pixonic), incentivize your customers generously (like last time) and we just might spend money on Phildos. Bait/switch etc. (like you predictably do each and every time) and I might just phase shift my wallet. Just sayin.So much this ^ ^ ^... They fulfill our visions of them being bad drug dealers that hook you up with extra weight for less cost for the first time, then drop the weight and increase the cost every time after.
I still remember the first events with loot boxes that actually paid out tremendously. Compared to the last ones before they switched to the differnt formats.
And I would spend on a comparable OS to the last one, again. But not this time.
IMO, YMMV
This is what I don’t understand. Digital content has a zero marginal cost. They should be increasing the rewards, not decreasing them. EDIT - but with all the heavy PC users out there, Pix might make sales on that content alone. Did I mention how much it bothers me that they doubled the green crack Ops rewards? Lol.
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Post by no pain 80 on Oct 10, 2019 11:30:02 GMT -5
Based on the numbers shared in this and other threads, it will take 21000 oxp till lvl30. That is just a bit shy what I got at lvl60 in operation gathering storm. Based on this exponential increase, it will take roughly another 100k oxp to reach lvl60, and probably another 1M to complete it. at a rate of 100 oxp per game, it will take 1200 games, or 20 games a day for 60 days, to reach lvl60. That is way to much playtime for me except weekends. I think I will keep whatever prize I can get at this operation season and save myself the troubles. Good luck to you all
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Post by Poopface on Oct 10, 2019 11:32:12 GMT -5
So much this ^ ^ ^... They fulfill our visions of them being bad drug dealers that hook you up with extra weight for less cost for the first time, then drop the weight and increase the cost every time after.
I still remember the first events with loot boxes that actually paid out tremendously. Compared to the last ones before they switched to the differnt formats.
And I would spend on a comparable OS to the last one, again. But not this time.
IMO, YMMV
This is what I don’t understand. Digital content has a zero marginal cost. They should be increasing the rewards, not decreasing them. EDIT - but with all the heavy PC users out there, Pix might make sales on that content alone. Did I mention how much it bothers me that they doubled the green crack Ops rewards? Lol. Always keep that carrot out of reach.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 10, 2019 11:41:02 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. We still need the Honor multiplier. Last time it was .05 without the pass and .075 with the pass (if I remember correctly). As some have mentioned on here already, they may have upped this (though likely not enough to keep up with inflation). My early calculation from a game this morning with the pass was .105 and this was from one game. The number seemed kinda strange, so I may have miscalculated. Still, we need to know this number.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 11:41:52 GMT -5
This is what I don’t understand. Digital content has a zero marginal cost. They should be increasing the rewards, not decreasing them. EDIT - but with all the heavy PC users out there, Pix might make sales on that content alone. Did I mention how much it bothers me that they doubled the green crack Ops rewards? Lol. Always keep that carrot out of reach.
The carrot keeps getting smaller (e.g. Ops rewards) and the stick keeps getting bigger (e.g. Leech).
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 11:43:47 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. We still need the Honor multiplier. Last time it was .05 without the pass and .075 with the pass (if I remember correctly). As some have mentioned on here already, they may have upped this (though likely not enough to keep up with inflation). My early calculation from a game this morning with the pass was .105 and this was from one game. The number seemed kinda strange, so I may have miscalculated. Still, we need to know this number. Pix FB post says +40%. Oh, and the Ops Post is just filled with all kinds of love comments, lmao.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 10, 2019 11:47:29 GMT -5
Also, somehow I haven't seen this posted yet (though I doubt it hasn't been noted somewhere). The time frame is 60 days instead of the previous 48 (?) days. Looks like we'll need it if trying to complete everything. lol. Also, plenty of time to burn out. lol
Honestly, I'm just gonna play and have fun. That was one of the things I liked about the first one. Extra stuff for playing. Just honor. No tasks. No need to "win" or "get beacons". If the battle needs me to get more beacons, I'll do that. If it needs me to support guys getting beacons, I'll do that. If it needs me to get as much damage as I can, well hell, I guess I'll do that too. I can just play the way I feel is best for the game I'm in and do the best I can and get extra resources for it. That's what I like most about how these Operations work.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 10, 2019 11:52:51 GMT -5
This is what I don’t understand. Digital content has a zero marginal cost. They should be increasing the rewards, not decreasing them. EDIT - but with all the heavy PC users out there, Pix might make sales on that content alone. Did I mention how much it bothers me that they doubled the green crack Ops rewards? Lol. Always keep that carrot out of reach.
That obviously only applies to Europe in 1916. Try again.
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Post by martag on Oct 10, 2019 11:57:50 GMT -5
Ouch! Here is a quick chart for comparison purposes: OXP per level | Last Operation | Current Operation | Lvls 1 to 10 | 50 | 400 | Lvls 11 to 20 | 100 | 700 | Lvls 21 to 30 | 200 | 1,000 |
This is a *massive* increase in OXP requirements. Getting to level 31 took 3,500 OXP in the previous Operation; it takes 3,600 to get to level 9 in the current one. Getting to level 30 in the current Operation requires about the same OXP as getting to level 58 in the previous one. I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the Operation Pass now. Wait until the last day to assess the purchase. We still need the Honor multiplier. Last time it was .05 without the pass and .075 with the pass (if I remember correctly). As some have mentioned on here already, they may have upped this (though likely not enough to keep up with inflation). My early calculation from a game this morning with the pass was .105 and this was from one game. The number seemed kinda strange, so I may have miscalculated. Still, we need to know this number. The honor multiplier is about 0.07 without pass as calculated by another member (14.1:1 ratio). This matches what I'm seeing and makes this operations a non-starter. Last season I made it to level 61 (I was in Diamond III-I most of the operations) with a lot of play the second half of operations. That means I got a total of about 480,000 HP during operations. I think the last operations was 48 days, so that's 10,000 HP per day. So this round I can expect to get 600,000 HP during operations, which will be 42,000 OXP. We don't know how far that will get someone this operations, but it's going to be well below level 61. I'd love some of the loot and equipment in this operations, but at max grinding I would only make it halfway if lucky and that's just BS. I'll pick up the $0.99 Au offers at 605% value and maybe a bot at $5, but done with operations for now except what I might get for free. Also, I'm disappointed to see that the OXP boosters I didn't use from last operations were lost and didn't roll over to this time.
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Post by Destroyer on Oct 10, 2019 12:12:53 GMT -5
I’ll pass on the pass Even if I pay the $15 and grind my butts off for the next 2 months The whales will still leech me to near death and disappear before I can fire back with my one weapon left. I rather go see a movie with my $15
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 10, 2019 12:24:44 GMT -5
I’ll pass on the pass Even if I pay the $15 and grind my butts off for the next 2 months The whales will still leech me to near death and disappear before I can fire back with my one weapon left. I rather go see a movie with my $15 This is the answer right here people. Vote with your wallet; it’s the only vote that counts.
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Post by linearblade on Oct 10, 2019 12:35:27 GMT -5
I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. How is this brutal? - Top 2 player: I usually end up in the top 3 - Playing a lot: I average between 5 and 10 matches per day - Low champ: been in Champions League for 3 months, have less than 700 wins and 837 winged cups Whether or not any of that is a factor to make this a good deal or bad, I'm not so sure. Based on the pass gets you extra on level 60, I'd call it a mediocre deal by itself. Based on comparing it to what 15 bucks got you in the first operation, it's a bad deal. Well, we don’t know the oxp reqs yet, however, just judging by what I get scoring 1.2-1.5m average damage, and getting around 3k honour per game, versus what I see lower placed players get in terms of honour, and by what I saw as last operation oxp requirement, I would say it looks like a steep climb. It might be s good deal, but to me, it’s an good, but not amazing deal even with the ease at which I suspect I will complete it. If they cut the deal any further I probably wouldn’t take it, but for the skins. And the skins aren’t great this time, I’m more interested in the completions aspect.
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 10, 2019 12:36:04 GMT -5
Ive read several posts about the higher OXP costs, but the rate at which we get OXP increased too, didnt it? Seems I read a post recently that the rate went significantly higher.
And I will get the pass for my Amazon account right away as Amazon never gets gold deals. So that extra gold will be very welcome. For Android I may wait awhile. I need a second Corona and Pulsar. The silver prizes are disappointing but I can use what I get for leveling my New WS Fenrir higher, and its weapons. It will get the Corona. And I really want the Falcon skin for my T-Falc, preferably the Praetorian.
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Post by linearblade on Oct 10, 2019 12:40:34 GMT -5
I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. I play a lot, too much, and sitting in mid Champions League 3 atm. I ran stats on 50 recent games and finished an average of top 1.25, win or lose. But this round just doesn’t have enough in it FOR ME. Maybe next time. And I’m gonna keep banging this drum: I find it disturbing that they more than doubled the green crack rewards in both free and paid paths. I used to rant this , everyone hated me for it, glad people coming around to the reality of the situation
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Post by linearblade on Oct 10, 2019 12:42:41 GMT -5
I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. That's my gut feel at this point. Since you can retroactively get all the premium prizes I think it makes the most sense for everyone to wait on spending $ at this point. Yea, this is definitely let some whales test water first event, so we can crowdsource some data. It feels slower, I played a bit today, didn’t hit 20. I feel as if last time you and I both hit 30 in a day , iirc
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Post by Wife is Pissed on Oct 10, 2019 12:44:17 GMT -5
What level do you get the special edition Pulsars at? Right now, I have none and want to pick up a couple for one of my Eldritch Ares.
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 10, 2019 12:50:06 GMT -5
I use the green crack so pcs are useful to me. I understand the negative point of view on them though. A purer combat environment would be good but with all the mods and Princess bots that ship has sailed long ago. (Hope I dont get modded for this ;-) )
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 10, 2019 12:52:35 GMT -5
I'm at level 5 with an hour or so...I'm low level Champions League. This is a bad climb.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 10, 2019 12:52:36 GMT -5
I'm at level 5 with an hour or so...I'm low level Champions League. This is a bad climb.
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Post by grendelsbot on Oct 10, 2019 12:52:48 GMT -5
This is demoralizing. Screw em.
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Post by no pain 80 on Oct 10, 2019 12:56:25 GMT -5
Ive read several posts about the higher OXP costs, but the rate at which we get OXP increased too, didnt it? Seems I read a post recently that the rate went significantly higher. And I will get the pass for my Amazon account right away as Amazon never gets gold deals. So that extra gold will be very welcome. For Android I may wait awhile. I need a second Corona and Pulsar. The silver prizes are disappointing but I can use what I get for leveling my New WS Fenrir higher, and its weapons. It will get the Corona. And I really want the Falcon skin for my T-Falc, preferably the Praetorian. Maybe too early to say this, but first few games didnt feel a higher oxp. Two games average is 75 oxp. I am a low Champions League player, playing dom. the said games, one win one lost, I came in the 3rd place in both. at this rate, I should better be playing 20+ games a day to reach lvl60 (not gonna happen). I was so tempted to buy the pass in the operation gathering storm, it had a good value for the buck, but this time around, there is absolutely no incentive for me to buy the pass.
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Post by #1 worst pilot on Oct 10, 2019 13:00:29 GMT -5
Just did a quick calculation of what you get at level 60 with or without paying (maybe I'm off a little bit, you never know). Based on the previous operation, level 60 is reasonable without grinding too much (unless the amount of OXP for higher levels is much higher of course): Ag: 13M (free) or 54M (free + pass) Au: 530 or 1990 Keys: 220 or 1060 PC: 2600 or 10700 Boosters: 14 or 49 Igniter comps: 3000 or 11000 Corona comps: 2000 or 10000 Nemesis comps: 1600 or 8000 Pilots: 2 (normal) or 3 (2 normal and 1 legendary) Skins: 1 or 5 Weapons: 0 or 1 Pulsar So based on what I find interesting, I'd be paying 15 bucks for: 41M Ag 1460 Au 840 keys 1 Igniter 1 Pulsar I don't know if I want to pay for 35 boosters and I don't care about the PC's, the Corona (I have 3 already), the Nemesis comps, the Legendary pilot or the extra skins. So, compared to the previous Operation, I'm leaning towards keeping my 15 bucks for now... If higher levels (like 80) are realistic (based on the OXP) without skipping my social life for 2 months, I might reconsider... I'm gonna be brutally straight here. if you play a lot, and are a top 2 player, this is probably a good deal. if you dont play a lot, this is a pretty sad deal. its probably pretty bad if you are a low champ. I think its bad all around. Im day 4-5 of no War Robots. I played probably 20-30 games a day because i got that kinda time at work. (a shame is it not?). Averaged top 3 for almost every match. Its just gotten to far out of hand with the magic buttons and bots. The ops was what i was waiting on to see if i would dive back in. Thats a big nope. I may pop on here and there, but COD is where im at. And in true fashion, name is num1worst lol
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