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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 15:40:49 GMT -5
So... just teamed up with 2 clanmates for couple of games. We all run balanced hangars (I teached those guys. Their win% went up from sub50 to 60-70+).
Every single game lasted 2 minutes. We got teamed against full clans every time. With the actual aphid buff in place (which was totally unnecessary - not like theres a ton of weapons that could use some love), nothing stands a chance against 3x Maggeps + 2xAphid Geps.
Its time for Pix to do something about this. By now the game is "buy 4 Geps", clan with others, wipe out everything.
Nothing against one or two Geps, but 6x5 Geps? There is simply no counter.
This is blatantly the worst balancing I ever experienced.
I'm gonna be low gold soon, so could give a [firetruck]. But a game like this cannot survive if every new player is just a victim with a crosshair on his bum-bum .
Just put a frackin Gep with gold/wsp weapons into high silver minimum (where it belongs!).
Or adjust their speed.
Or simply buff every light weapon skyhigh, laugh like a mad man and make a new game.
Seriously Pix, get that [poo-poo] solved somehow, I cant reccomend this game to friends, unless they can play low gold asap...
edit: reason for rant: I really fought like hell, 5 smoldering gep wrecks can tell the tale, but there is ab-so-lutely nothing that can be done against 30 Geps.
The Aphid Buff multipli3d the problem, cause now those dip[poo-poos] can even wreck meds and heavys without trouble.
W.O.R.S.T. balancing ever -.-*
P.S: and kudos to EAE, SF and another clan. Can you miserable lowlifes also play? Looking forward to see some of you virtual embarassments in Gold Tier.
Feel free to sent Origin IDs, then show me some skill in BF1 or TF2!!!
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 6, 2016 15:53:31 GMT -5
I'd love to see 30 Geps. Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas. I don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 15:57:10 GMT -5
I'd love to see 30 Geps. Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas. I don't care. You like to die fast? Not a prob, takes the average time of jumping down a skyscraper... |
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 6, 2016 16:43:32 GMT -5
I'd love to see 30 Geps. Aphids, Mags, or Pinatas. I don't care. You like to die fast? Not a prob, takes the average time of jumping down a skyscraper... They are nothing to me in mid(ish) silver. Galahads don't care about them. You're just a free kill on my way to a beacon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:10:33 GMT -5
You like to die fast? Not a prob, takes the average time of jumping down a skyscraper... They are nothing to me in mid(ish) silver. Galahads don't care about them. You're just a free kill on my way to a beacon. Right but I think the point of the OP rant was how harmful the situation is to new players. We're experienced players so of course Gepards aren't relevant anymore because we've moved past them in the game, and seeing them in silver is no big deal. Perhaps Pixonic is making enough money and acquiring enough new player downloading that they don't think it's a problem, but they surely must know they are driving new players off. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 18:02:06 GMT -5
Always so worried about the newbs. We were newbs and dealt with it. Maybe people should listen on how to fight Geps. I have discussed it so many times its stupid, and so have some others. Either listen, figure it out, shut up and play, or shut up and go away.
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 6, 2016 18:13:31 GMT -5
Always so worried about the newbs. We were newbs and dealt with it. Maybe people should listen on how to fight Geps. I have discussed it so many times its stupid, and so have some others. Either listen, figure it out, shut up and play, or shut up and go away. I agree. I had no problem as a noob a couple months ago. I got beat a few times and leveled beyond them. No problem whatsoever. I had more trouble with Rhinos and then I learned to flank them. It's not that hard. |
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Post by Trogon on Nov 6, 2016 19:09:39 GMT -5
For all you saying just learn to fight geps, have you fought in high bronze against geps with the buffed aphids? I agree with the op, the aphids are way overpowered. When there's a 1/9 or sometimes even 1/10 aphid gep in high bronze, or worse yet, 2 of them, they can shoot me from behind cover and kill anything I've got in 2 shots, and because nothing is faster, I can't get around behind his cover so I can kill him. Tri-mag geps I've learned how to deal with, unless there's 2 or three of them working together. I own a gep (no aphids yet), and I think the bot needs to be handicapped. Either make it a medium or give it some kind of penalty so you can't have something as overpowered as a tri-mag or tri-aphid gep with level 8 or 9 weapons in high bronze.
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Post by Heishiro on Nov 6, 2016 21:09:35 GMT -5
I'm gonna be low gold soon, so could give a f**k. But a game like this cannot survive if every new player is just a victim with a crosshair on his bum-bum . going to low gold? Okay..... let the Patton with 4 aphids be your guide  do you think you can run away from aphids?  we are waiting for you |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 7, 2016 0:33:36 GMT -5
I wish Pix could somehow program the game to identify a full 4-12 Gep hangar; impose an MM penalty on it and throw it into low gold.. but this won't happen.
Gep is the proverbial gateway drug. It is being offered to new players for $4.99 which is Au equivalent to 50% off. It's part of the business model to generate income so they won't have to resort to putting up advertisements in a free to play game.
Is it a problem? Yes. But is it ruining the game? No. It simply doesn't happen consistently. I play in high silver and I get matched with a full squad probably 3 - 4 times per week. I can only remember one time (since I've started) wherein I was matched against a squad 3 times successively. I was mad, frustrated, but I just kept playing on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 4:41:13 GMT -5
couchtrader: u're definately right  Just happened yesterday several times in a row- was probably bad luck. But thats what "rants"are for, no?^^ Heishiro: Bring on the Pattons in gold tier! At least a Patton can not outrun everything, has low health and looses weapons fast. Also I expect to have some more counters than in low silver... trustmeimdoctor: mind telling me how you bring a Galahad in low silver? Sounds like an Aphid magnet to me... (note: I was never ranting about single Geps- those I handle myself) +DethHilt+: did u even read the OP? :rolleyes: I dont have a problem fighting a Gep. But fighting 4 Maggeps plus 2 Aphidgeps? I'll do it... in a Timberwolf!^^ Edit: and everybody who says "learn to fight geps". Thanks, I can already do that. Even took a handfull down. I was talking about full clan squads with full Gep hangars, who obviously talked to each other first. There is simply nothing in this game that can fight back a pack of Maggeps backed up by some Aphidgeps. MAYBE if you're in a full squad too... like it was the three of us fought together with some success- the geps simply ran off, killed everybody else and in the end were standing in a circle around our spawn location...
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 7, 2016 5:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 6:04:50 GMT -5
A level 8 Gala is still high silver o.O
Thought these guys are treated as heavys, matchmaking-wise?
*runs off to level his Galahad up*
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 7, 2016 6:32:47 GMT -5
You are correct. It is MM-classified as a heavy. We have been testing heavies out in squad play for about a couple of weeks now and so far, a heavy 6-5 or 6-6 is proving to be stable in high silver. The only time we encounter gold players is when we're running a full squad.
Squadding with 4 or less, we are consistently matched with lopsided setups with high bot level and low level weapons, low win percentages, 4 slot hangars. I affectionately call this the "Low Gold Rejects Tier". Games are tough but very winnable. We've also tried Rhinos, Griffs, and Carnage 6-5 / 6-6. Griffs are ok but I think they're just too slow and weak with that setup. Rhinos are good but it's not as consistent with MM as the Gala and Griff and we get thrown in gold matches like 1 out of 3 games. As for the Carnage... forget about it. Doesn't matter how we set it up, it throws us into gold.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 7, 2016 10:26:44 GMT -5
Much props for bringing up Timberwolves!
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Post by pilotp2ltb on Nov 7, 2016 12:24:22 GMT -5
Changing an overpowered flavor of the month is the business model. Every decent pay to win game does it. It is infinitely better than the alternative of having buyer only equipment. Mags drove sales for awhile and now they've reached a market saturation so they buff aphids. Probably could have driven sales with a much smaller advantage but I suspect that ultimately the game is balanced around the higher tiers with the hope that lower tiers will sort themselves out.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 7, 2016 13:14:42 GMT -5
I like the buff... but I am only running one bot with aphids at the moment, a Gala, in HS/LG, so I don't benefit as much as Geps lower down in Last Stand/HB, so don't feel the OP aspect as much. Much like the post above me pointed out, higher tier play is different than lower, and the buff was a nice, balanced, addition to that level of play. I can imagine the frustration at lower tiers though... but that is true of anything that is thrown into the lower levels that not everyone there can afford (or even be high enough level) to get yet...
Interesting quandary though, count on noobs seeing (and being beaten by)the better stuff and then working towards it, or limit them to a certain weapon group so that they then receive a rather rude awakening when they advance...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 14:00:56 GMT -5
Gep is a problem. Aphids are sweet but add to the Gep problem. But those issues are magnified by noobs not getting info on what buying Ag heavies will do them in terms of matchmaking. This lack of guidance and transparency is pretty ridiculous at this point. When I run 3/6 meds I see tons of guys with crap win % and a hanger of a random light, a random med and a random heavy.
If Pix fixes matchmaker to actually look at the whole hangar *and* better account for the killing/staying power of each bot *and* gives the player feedback on their hangar's potential pleacement, then most of these issues will be resolved without having to mess around with specific mechs and weapons.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Nov 7, 2016 15:00:42 GMT -5
Pinata Geps --> attack from above 300m
Mag Geps --> attack with aphids or anything past 350m
Aphid Geps --> attack behind cover or anything past 350m
Hybrid Geps --> Ask the snipers to make themselves useful; or go midrange (350 - 500m)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 17:57:22 GMT -5
Pinata Geps --> attack from above 300m Mag Geps --> attack with aphids or anything past 350m Aphid Geps --> attack behind cover or anything past 350m Hybrid Geps --> Ask the snipers to make themselves useful; or go midrange (350 - 500m) 6 Geps chasing into your team -> die And the Gep Pilot who gets hit by Aphids I could take out with Molots, for he has no idea what hes doing. Pointless discussion, I dont even care anymore, snuffed a nice lot of Geps today (Taran Rog ftw!) |
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 7, 2016 22:57:59 GMT -5
trustmeimdoctor : mind telling me how you bring a Galahad in low silver? Sounds like an Aphid magnet to me... (note: I was never ranting about single Geps- those I handle myself) Yes, I run 5/7 Galahads. I know nothing more than that. Aphids are not a problem. I go behind cover when there are many of them. I mostly stomp on wannabe clubbers and bad Leo, Natasha, Griffin, and Rhino players. I'm not trying to brag. I just win a lot and this is what I fight against. It certainly seems that I'm in low silver much of the time, but I can get bumped up to gold at times. |
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Post by trollingclubber on Nov 7, 2016 23:13:58 GMT -5
Aphids give the genuine seal clubbers another option. From my perspective aphids revive the game and give proper gep maggers a new option with which to dominate the game.
If you wanna join the clubbers feel free. Go buy some geps and mags and learn how to shoot.
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 7, 2016 23:26:12 GMT -5
Aphids give the genuine seal clubbers another option. From my perspective aphids revive the game and give proper gep maggers a new option with which to dominate the game. If you wanna join the clubbers feel free. Go buy some geps and mags and learn how to shoot. For me their option is to die. They get nothing else. Aphids do nothing but allow them to hide a bit longer. You'll still die against me. Maybe you get to beat on some noobs, but I get to beat on you. There is nothing else, you just die because you are not skilled. |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 7, 2016 23:30:36 GMT -5
Aphids are only a problem when you are standing still or are in a very slow and big bot like the Natasha. It locks onto the last location of the bot at the moment it's fired, so if that bot moves out of the effective area, it will only get minimal damage or none at all.
Light bots generally don't have a problem dodging aphids. For medium and heavy bots, the trick is to move at a 90° in relation to the aphid bot to get the least damage.
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Post by Aphid master on Nov 7, 2016 23:39:46 GMT -5
Aphids go right on your Galahad head. Why you always lying? I wish they would just make big bots faster
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 23:46:46 GMT -5
+DethHilt+ : did u even read the OP? :rolleyes: I dont have a problem fighting a Gep. But fighting 4 Maggeps plus 2 Aphidgeps? I'll do it... in a Timberwolf!^^ Timberwolf, Dire Wolf, Mad Cat/Vulture would be sweet.Edit: and everybody who says "learn to fight geps". Thanks, I can already do that. Even took a handfull down. I was talking about full clan squads with full Gep hangars, who obviously talked to each other first. There is simply nothing in this game that can fight back a pack of Maggeps backed up by some Aphidgeps. I need to correct myself, "kill Geps". quad-Mag Pattons do nicely. |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 8, 2016 0:00:08 GMT -5
A hangar full of quad-mag Pattons..... hmmmm  |
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Post by Aphid master on Nov 8, 2016 0:07:18 GMT -5
A hangar full of quad-mag Pattons..... hmmmm Patton so slow can only kill weakened gep. Geps win bc they are squadding with a plan and have great set ups. Mag pattons are a joke |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 8, 2016 0:21:10 GMT -5
Patton so slow can only kill weakened gep. Geps win bc they are squadding with a plan and have great set ups. Mag pattons are a joke ... it was a joke... But yes, I agree with you. Patton can only go 4-9 to be in the same tier as a Gep 4-12. Patton 4 health - 65K while Gep 4 health is 61K. That's a wash. Patton 4x L9 Mags = 9,192 DPS while Gep 3x L12 Mags = 10,095 DPS Full squad Mag-Patton still losses to a full squad Mag-Gep |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 2:46:05 GMT -5
Guys, chill. I really just wanted to rant a bit, originally Honestly these couple of games where the only ones yet where I ran into mass-Geps in Silver Tier. |
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