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Post by josh378 on Oct 1, 2019 7:40:46 GMT -5
When Aries and Ao Jun came out, I was okay with it. I was a little frustrated but once I figured out a strategy they were workable to take out. This is different altogether with leech. Play three straight games with MK2 leeches and then basically stop playing the game and did something else. Never did this even with Aries and Ao Jun release.
Leech is a whole different issue. It makes a player not want to fight them at all. How do you make an ability that redirects damage to the other person and then give them 4X medium slots for weapons. And can direct to players through walls. Meaning they can Target you from across the map under 500 m and still be fighting someone else. I literally have to stop shooting and let them shoot me (or run around a corner)until their ability wears off. Let's not even go into the Last Stand, phase shift cowardly MK2 leech players.
If you're not running an tanky invader, T falcon or Fenrir, you are screwed. Even if you wait out their ability they still have four medium MK2 weapons that you have to deal with.
This is probably one of the few Bots that may end up having me quit this game. This is not a balanced bot at all. I don't understand what was going on in the heads of the developers when they made this bot?
Can't even support your teammate because everybody has stopped shooting to avoid hitting the Leech to kill your own teammate. I've seen teams where they used leech with Aries to wipe out entire teams in Team Deathmatch. This has to change.
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 1, 2019 7:43:28 GMT -5
I haven't met many Leech's yet. When I do, I either die quickly or take no damage. That said, my planned counter tactic for them is the same as for Ares and Ao Jun: watch carefully and then give them a face full of missiles when their ability wears off.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 1, 2019 7:48:38 GMT -5
I haven't met many Leech's yet. When I do, I either die quickly or take no damage. That said, my planned counter tactic for them is the same as for Ares and Ao Jun: watch carefully and then give them a face full of missiles when their ability wears off. Here's the problem, they have phase shift and Last Stand and Orkin. I don't care how squishy they are, they can deal heavy damage and stall out until their ability cool down is gone. And now they're ready to go again. Good leech players know this. At least with Aries and Ao Jun, I can run within their Shield or with the Ao Jun I can run Quantum Radar. If you don't have Phase shift, you are screwed. I watched as a leech player Target me and fought an Ao Jun and watched my tank Health go from 100% to 25%. That's BS...
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Post by gonzoman on Oct 1, 2019 7:52:09 GMT -5
Ares is a much bigger game wrecker than leech at this juncture in its evolution. Anyone who has been on the receiving end of an Ares purple party train can testify to this. Tactics have not been fully developed so this could change. I have noticed raiding parties are now including leeches. Curious to see how effective they really are.
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Post by maverick on Oct 1, 2019 7:53:15 GMT -5
They will let it be until they have sold (for $) enough to pay for a lifetime supply of vodka and caviar then bring out a counter or nerf them out of existence. Same as they did with my SpOrkans.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 1, 2019 8:02:42 GMT -5
Ares is a much bigger game wrecker than leech at this juncture in its evolution. Anyone who has been on the receiving end of an Ares purple party train can testify to this. Tactics have not been fully developed so this could change. I have noticed raiding parties are now including leeches. Curious to see how effective they really are. I'm going to say again, Aries had a certain weakness. Even with the Aries train if you can sneak in a blitz behind them you can kill two or three Aries. With leech train, you can run 4 to 5 leeches and they can Target each individual player and shoot them with maxed out MK2 orkin's. We're not going to even talk about if they are on Discord and strategizing to take out key robots such as Tanki T Falcons who are holding a key point in the game. The only two strategies you have against a leech is to run away or phase shift through most of his ability. Unless you're rolling a light bot, I hate using Phase Shift. I think the key to why I think leeches broken is because they allowed four medium weapons on this bot. That allows a player to get maximum damage out of a leech and can terrorize the other player because they can't shoot at them in order to avoid killing their own teammate. We will see once leeches are massively in the field like Aries currently is.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 1, 2019 8:10:17 GMT -5
one on one, I do ok. But, when there's a 3 on 1 in my teams favor= "£%$&*$ stop shooting, and I'm dead."
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Post by hi5 on Oct 1, 2019 8:15:36 GMT -5
IMO Leech was designed to beat the three top meta builds: redirect goes through purple disco ares, it can redirect to stealth Ao Jun if targeted before it takes off or shrug through and redirect a full Ao Jun attach, and it has firepower and DR to take out tanks.
Phantom might be the best counter to ability - fast, tough and can blink back when Leech does its thing if timed right.
Sooo - it replaces the old top meta and sells a new bot. It’s no coincidence tops clans are now running hangars with only these two bots.
We’ll find strategies to cope, but probably after a few months of sales and they “balance” it like they’ve done with everything else.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 1, 2019 8:34:39 GMT -5
IMO Leech was designed to beat the three top meta builds: redirect goes through purple disco ares, it can redirect to stealth Ao Jun if targeted before it takes off or shrug through and redirect a full Ao Jun attach, and it has firepower and DR to take out tanks. Phantom might be the best counter to ability - fast, tough and can blink back when Leech does its thing if timed right. Sooo - it replaces the old top meta and sells a new bot. It’s no coincidence tops clans are now running hangars with only these two bots. We’ll find strategies to cope, but probably after a few months of sales and they “balance” it like they’ve done with everything else. My problem is if this becomes as mainstream as Aries, then all the free 2 play gamers are going to drop this game. That is not fun. Aries had some sort of flaw, this bot almost doesn't have any flaws. I mean they're basically saying if you're not running phase-shift or Phantom (which cost as much as buying a leech), you are screwed. If you think tanking is bad now, wait until this bot goes mainstream. People going to tank out of Champs, and all that's left are whales players.
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 1, 2019 9:05:03 GMT -5
I haven't met many Leech's yet. When I do, I either die quickly or take no damage. That said, my planned counter tactic for them is the same as for Ares and Ao Jun: watch carefully and then give them a face full of missiles when their ability wears off. Here's the problem, they have phase shift and Last Stand and Orkin. I don't care how squishy they are, they can deal heavy damage and stall out until their ability cool down is gone. And now they're ready to go again. Good leech players know this. At least with Aries and Ao Jun, I can run within their Shield or with the Ao Jun I can run Quantum Radar. If you don't have Phase shift, you are screwed. I watched as a leech player Target me and fought an Ao Jun and watched my tank Health go from 100% to 25%. That's BS... I just had a game where a stupid blue Leo kept firing at a Leech while it was tethered to me. I totally get it. I wonder how long it will be until people learn to recognize how the Leech looks and not fire at it. I still have trouble identifying it when I see it, so it'll take some time.
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Post by josh378 on Oct 1, 2019 9:19:40 GMT -5
Here's the problem, they have phase shift and Last Stand and Orkin. I don't care how squishy they are, they can deal heavy damage and stall out until their ability cool down is gone. And now they're ready to go again. Good leech players know this. At least with Aries and Ao Jun, I can run within their Shield or with the Ao Jun I can run Quantum Radar. If you don't have Phase shift, you are screwed. I watched as a leech player Target me and fought an Ao Jun and watched my tank Health go from 100% to 25%. That's BS... I just had a game where a stupid blue Leo kept firing at a Leech while it was tethered to me. I totally get it. I wonder how long it will be until people learn to recognize how the Leech looks and not fire at it. I still have trouble identifying it when I see it, so it'll take some time. The other problem is that when we have knee-jerk reactions and if we see an leech from a distance that we could possibly take out it's kind of hard to see the tethering to another robot if its too far ahead. Ran into that issue when I was sniping this Leech and didn't see that he was Tethered to another robot and end up killing my teammate. It was like cringe mode for me.
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Post by rags on Oct 1, 2019 9:20:25 GMT -5
Yep this really sucks no pun intended. This is the most 「wee-wee」 thing pixonic has done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 10:47:43 GMT -5
Meaning they can Target you from across the map under 500 m and still be fighting someone else. I literally have to stop shooting and let them shoot me (or run around a corner)until their ability wears off. This is, by the way, great example how Pixonic "listens" to players. Almost everybody said that fine, you can have Leech but without through the walls ability and with limited range. They pretended to do something like this on test server, then quietly bring it back into the game in almost original form. Same goes with shield breaker module, seemed like it was gone because Pixonic finally listened. Nothing could have been farther from the truth though.
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Post by gonzoman on Oct 1, 2019 11:30:03 GMT -5
No offense but this is pretty much proof that they listen very well. Pix is a business. We are consumers. If you have any doubts how well super bots sell just take a look at how many maxed out Ares are running around. Folks speak with their dollars, and judging by the amount of mk leveled Ares, phatons, leeches....... Im thinking folks have been doing a lot of "talking". If Pix saw a sudden or abrupt change in spending you would see sudden or abrupt changes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 11:46:09 GMT -5
No offense but this is pretty much proof that they listen very well. Pix is a business. We are consumers. If you have any doubts how well super bots sell just take a look at how many maxed out Ares are running around. Folks speak with their dollars, and judging by the amount of mk leveled Ares, phatons, leeches....... Im thinking folks have been doing a lot of "talking". If Pix saw a sudden or abrupt change in spending you would see sudden or abrupt changes. ^^^^^^^This, in spades In 8 months, something that makes Leech obsolete will be in the whale hangers.....months 3-8 are for us regular joes to try to play catch up to the whales, but fall far short when the new meta hits another 8 months later. Now that Leech and Phantom(another pain in the 「bum-bum」) are filling up whale hangars, SB should drop soon so us regulat joes canât wreck Leech in the non-maxâd Ares.....then, of course, it will be AJs turn. This is a whale game.....those, such as myself, who do not chase meta live with good playable builds, but never achieve greatness. IMO, having fun means more than being great......YMMV In conclusion: 「fluffernutter」 the Meta!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 12:01:24 GMT -5
Just chill out, Leech is paying for strippers, coke, lap dances, midget tosses and boob jobs in Moscow, so at least the paying players are contributing to a good cause...it may be cheese, but could be the best Phildo to date.
Someone has to make the numbers for mail.ru
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Post by hi5 on Oct 1, 2019 12:42:28 GMT -5
No offense but this is pretty much proof that they listen very well. Pix is a business. We are consumers. If you have any doubts how well super bots sell just take a look at how many maxed out Ares are running around. Folks speak with their dollars, and judging by the amount of mk leveled Ares, phatons, leeches....... Im thinking folks have been doing a lot of "talking". If Pix saw a sudden or abrupt change in spending you would see sudden or abrupt changes. I agree that Pix listens to player cash more than player feedback. But I also haven’t gotten the sense that this has sold with as much acceleration as ares and Ao Jun. I could be proven wrong, but I’m only seeing Leech in top hangars and it’s rare to see more than one. With Ares all top and near top hangars had 3 or more almost right away (ala dash and spec) - and there were two other Greeks in that update too. Leech is damn hard to kill and it can kill you easy. But it is yet to be seen if it can do everything else ares could: storm beacons with its speed, protect other teammates with disco, play as both brawler and MR because of retribution damage levels, survive for long periods and still rack up stats.
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Post by arcviper on Oct 3, 2019 11:35:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with you. I faced off against a leech that just walked right up to me. I couldnt shoot back. When its ability were off it just popped its phase shift module and used its ability again, rinse and repeat. I just stood there because I was a slow bot and literally nothing I can do for 30 full seconds.
It's worse than a shield of invincibility. It hurts other players too.
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Post by BB on Oct 3, 2019 11:54:31 GMT -5
I’m just here for the sucking
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Oct 3, 2019 12:19:17 GMT -5
They will let it be until they have sold (for $) enough to pay for a lifetime supply of vodka and caviar then bring out a counter or nerf them out of existence. Same as they did with my SpOrkans. Rinse. Repeat. The Pixonic business model
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 13:39:43 GMT -5
Just chill out, Leech is paying for strippers, coke, lap dances, midget tosses and boob jobs in Moscow, so at least the paying players are contributing to a good cause...it may be cheese, but could be the best Phildo to date. Someone has to make the numbers for mail.ru Between Leech and Phantom, I’ll go with you for Leech...complimenting purple panties with pink panties takes it over the top. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 13:52:59 GMT -5
IMO Leech was designed to beat the three top meta builds: redirect goes through purple disco ares, it can redirect to stealth Ao Jun if targeted before it takes off or shrug through and redirect a full Ao Jun attach, and it has firepower and DR to take out tanks. Phantom might be the best counter to ability - fast, tough and can blink back when Leech does its thing if timed right. Sooo - it replaces the old top meta and sells a new bot. It’s no coincidence tops clans are now running hangars with only these two bots. We’ll find strategies to cope, but probably after a few months of sales and they “balance” it like they’ve done with everything else. Comon now, bro.....it’s totally OP so the whales will replace full hangar(s) ASAP, which costs thousands $$$ If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t.... The rest of us? First, who give a crap? Second, we get on the hamster wheel and play catch-up for 8 months or so....rinse; repeat.... Thank you for playing War Robots!
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Post by CrownBlack on Oct 3, 2019 14:10:49 GMT -5
they will always screw with the balance of power, it is just a matter of time
Brit Bots Dashes/Inky Ares/Ao Jun
and now this POS that can ?fluffernutter?ing shoot through walls. I don't care about what is it does but that aspect of its ability is just bull?dookie?!
the only hope is that you get it alone with a few teammates and kill it before it goes into its ability or PS. I am sorry, i meant teammates with some skill and common sense.
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Post by arcviper on Oct 5, 2019 11:57:02 GMT -5
I really do think once leech becomes mainstream it might be a quitting point for me. I don’t think I can wait through another round of Pixonic loading their purses from whales for months before they introduce the next broken bot. This bot is made specifically to destroy free to play payers who group with randoms that don’t have the same organization as an organized clan.
I pilot a bot with trebuchets and the leech animation for tethering doesn’t even show up, so when I blast one from 900 meters away and I see my ally die instead it pisses me off.
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Post by Garbage game on Oct 5, 2019 12:03:33 GMT -5
I really do think once leech becomes mainstream it might be a quitting point for me. I don’t think I can wait through another round of Pixonic loading their purses from whales for months before they introduce the next broken bot. This bot is made specifically to destroy free to play payers who group with randoms that don’t have the same organization as an organized clan. I pilot a bot with trebuchets and the leech animation for tethering doesn’t even show up, so when I blast one from 900 meters away and I see my ally die instead it pisses me off. Even in squad battles... When the enemy squad has 5 Leeches on the field and your clan has 1:
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Post by arcviper on Oct 5, 2019 14:03:06 GMT -5
I really do think once leech becomes mainstream it might be a quitting point for me. I don’t think I can wait through another round of Pixonic loading their purses from whales for months before they introduce the next broken bot. This bot is made specifically to destroy free to play payers who group with randoms that don’t have the same organization as an organized clan. I pilot a bot with trebuchets and the leech animation for tethering doesn’t even show up, so when I blast one from 900 meters away and I see my ally die instead it pisses me off. Even in squad battles... When the enemy squad has 5 Leeches on the field and your clan has 1: Hah, that picture is exactly how I feel when I encounter a leech. Just had a battle today where this leech player just shredded my team one by one. Nobody shot at him and he gunned one of us down, phase shifted, gunned another one of us down, phase shifted, etc. He was a 1 man army XD
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Post by ww2weaver on Oct 5, 2019 14:36:14 GMT -5
Even in squad battles... When the enemy squad has 5 Leeches on the field and your clan has 1: Hah, that picture is exactly how I feel when I encounter a leech. Just had a battle today where this leech player just shredded my team one by one. Nobody shot at him and he gunned one of us down, phase shifted, gunned another one of us down, phase shifted, etc. He was a 1 man army XD Is this the meta hanger of the near future? I'm in M3 and ran into this guy today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 14:42:36 GMT -5
I didn't think there would be a more annoying tactic than the Spectre Shocktrain...then they came out with Ares and lock down. Though that was it...well welcome to the 7th level of hell. LEECH.
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Post by Garbage game on Oct 5, 2019 14:46:32 GMT -5
Hah, that picture is exactly how I feel when I encounter a leech. Just had a battle today where this leech player just shredded my team one by one. Nobody shot at him and he gunned one of us down, phase shifted, gunned another one of us down, phase shifted, etc. He was a 1 man army XD Is this the meta hanger of the near future? I'm in M3 and ran into this guy today. Lol what a noob, can't afford 12 MK2 Coronas. I see variations of that in iOS megawhales. Ares is replaced by Ao Jun or another Phantom.
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Post by arcviper on Oct 8, 2019 17:31:19 GMT -5
Is this the meta hanger of the near future? I'm in M3 and ran into this guy today. Lol what a noob, can't afford 12 MK2 Coronas. I see variations of that in iOS megawhales. Ares is replaced by Ao Jun or another Phantom. That is straight up nasty. It’s wallet warriors that are encouraging Pixonic into releasing totally overpowered and broken bots. I just got done with a match where there were only two of em on the other team and my team folded like origami in 3 minutes 25 seconds. The phase shifting carona leeches are impossible to beat.
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