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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 20:52:48 GMT -5
I thought the point of the league system was that u played w people in your league. But I'm pretty sure I'm playing games w people in leagues both above and below me as well? Or am I just crazy?
While we're here... Can someone explain why in silver ii there r plenty of level 30 pilots running 5 slots, griffins, rhinos etc but then here and there u find level 18 eg w 3 slots, vityaz w noricum etc. How did that happen?
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 8, 2017 20:58:47 GMT -5
I thought the point of the league system was that u played w people in your league. I thought that too but it appears leagues are just a categorization and you're still matched just using the new MM. |
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Post by Divine Thunder on Mar 8, 2017 21:05:35 GMT -5
I fought a match against a pilot 1000 league greater than mine. You can image what happened.
Is the pool of available pilots that bad.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 8, 2017 21:30:06 GMT -5
I thought the point of the league system was that u played w people in your league. But I'm pretty sure I'm playing games w people in leagues both above and below me as well? Or am I just crazy? While we're here... Can someone explain why in silver ii there r plenty of level 30 pilots running 5 slots, griffins, rhinos etc but then here and there u find level 18 eg w 3 slots, vityaz w noricum etc. How did that happen? I thought so. But since I've encountered many Silvers in my battles (I'm in Bronze second), I conclude that The League is just an overall standings. We're still being matched like before (available players from any tiers versus similar composition of other available players from any tiers). I think that explains what you were wondering in second point. Imagine it as a marathon. The league puts all players on the same starting line, then they run with all they've had. The better their preparations (gears, skills, etc) are, the faster they run. That's why we see many different hangars/level/skill in the same League Tier. That's what I believe happens currently. |
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Post by Pateras on Mar 8, 2017 21:43:07 GMT -5
For me its like if i have been winning say 5 matches in a row with good scores i always get mangled by some Diamond leauge team and im gold.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 22:37:39 GMT -5
OK, it makes sense league listing is just a rank, but not necessarily the complete determination of mm.
About the excessive disparity between players in similar leagues... As time goes on, will players be sorted out more accurately do u think?
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 9, 2017 6:29:41 GMT -5
OK, it makes sense league listing is just a rank, but not necessarily the complete determination of mm. About the excessive disparity between players in similar leagues... As time goes on, will players be sorted out more accurately do u think? Imho, I don't think so. Because according to this way of logic, they are already accurate enough. The program maybe try to balance it better when the players stock is abundant enough. But when there's shortage of players, the game needs a backup plan. We've always thought that we supposed to be matched with the similar opponents in terms of weapon and bot level. In other words, to us, fairness is happening when all 12 player have to be in the same capabilities than us. But I think the developer think differently. As long as both teams consist of the similar composition of players, it's fairness. In other words (let's simplify), fairness is already there when 2 top tier players + 2 mediocre tier players + 2 lower tier players in Blue Team, versus 2 top + 2 mediocre + 2 lower in Red Team. The number of players can be different, as long as those two teams are in the similar combination. |
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 9, 2017 7:51:36 GMT -5
Just wait until you get close to leveling up. I was trying to get from 1280 to the 1300 needed to level to silver 2. Every time I would get above 1295 I would get blown out. I finally decided to look and sure enough there is me and another guy from silver 1 on my team, a silver 2 guy on the other team and everybody else in the match was gold 2- diamond 3 including 2 of my clan members on the other team (I was solo because I was trying to avoid the OP leagues). Yup I lost 20 on that one. I would fight my way back to 1295ish and get the same type of match again.
It took 4 days of this before I caught the MM sleeping on the job and I leveled up against silver 1-silver2 opponents.
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Post by Pateras on Mar 9, 2017 10:55:22 GMT -5
Just wait until you get close to leveling up. I was trying to get from 1280 to the 1300 needed to level to silver 2. Every time I would get above 1295 I would get blown out. I finally decided to look and sure enough there is me and another guy from silver 1 on my team, a silver 2 guy on the other team and everybody else in the match was gold 2- diamond 3 including 2 of my clan members on the other team (I was solo because I was trying to avoid the OP leagues). Yup I lost 20 on that one. I would fight my way back to 1295ish and get the same type of match again. It took 4 days of this before I caught the MM sleeping on the job and I leveled up against silver 1-silver2 opponents. Exactly the same for but in gold. It was rellay hard to go from Gold 3 to 2 and now im about to level up to Gold 1 and its the same thing all over. |
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 9, 2017 16:03:59 GMT -5
I had a similar experience moving up in leagues- maybe there's a mechanism that tries to keep u in whatever league you're in as long as possible... But of course once u get better, get more upgraded, you'll eventually b able to bust out.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 10, 2017 4:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by zer00eyz on Mar 10, 2017 12:24:23 GMT -5
There is another factor your not accounting for, and thats late replacements.
I see this most on dead city and springfield.
The match will look lopsided and before the 9:30 mark a 6th pilot enters the game (It may have happened to you where you spawn and combat has already started).
Most of the time these matches are the lopsided ones, if I'm the late player I'm either going to crush or be crushed however it is a good sign to play as hard as I can.
If the late joiner is on the other team pay attention to who it is and what they are doing on the battlefield. If you crush the rest of the team first then odds are it won't end well for them.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 11, 2017 17:20:56 GMT -5
I think if you're squadding, all rules go out the window, and the mm just says "hmmm squad 1 has 6, where can we find another squad of 6? Oh here look, 6!", regardless of rank tier league or any other criteria other than 6 warm bodies vs 6 warm bodies that are all squadding together.
I've been in 6v6, where the majority of the other 6 were silver and my team was all diamond. They got slaughtered, obviously.
Seems unjust.
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Post by hackenschuh on Mar 25, 2017 2:19:23 GMT -5
I think if you're squadding, all rules go out the window, and the mm just says "hmmm squad 1 has 6, where can we find another squad of 6? Oh here look, 6!", regardless of rank tier league or any other criteria other than 6 warm bodies vs 6 warm bodies that are all squadding together. I've been in 6v6, where the majority of the other 6 were silver and my team was all diamond. They got slaughtered, obviously. Seems unjust. I made the same expirience as the thread-opener, but why I NEVER have lower tier opponents? So if it's like you wrote, it could be that I'm the 6th in bronze or silver league, but this never happens! I'm in gold and they are mostly 1-3 diamond league players in both teams, but never lower than me! So they mix leages in matches, but in my case never lower leages than mine. I play this game since dezember and had nearly always stronger or higher opponents. |
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