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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 7, 2017 2:45:08 GMT -5
Thus u will definitely 'only have to use 2 or 3 bots a game' lol u fkn tea partiers I hate u Tea partiers. A conservative faction of War Robots who are puritanical about playing with only 2-3 slots.
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 7, 2017 8:10:15 GMT -5
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 7, 2017 8:20:00 GMT -5
I bought double orkan before 5th slot and I regretted it. DB griff is awesome but on lvl 5-8 it's not a real DB. I would rather have an 5 slot hangar with plasma griffins taran boas piñata leos than a 4 slot with DB Griffin and plasma galahad. Even a taran cossack or a nashorn natasha better for the 5th slot than a 4 slot hangar with gold bots and weapons. If you only use 2-3 bot per game that means you do not play enough aggressively or you are a camper. Almost every game I need to sacrifice 1-2 bot to have beacon advantage. The sad part is its much harder to get the 5th slot if it's not your first au purchase because of the level up gold rewards. I am a vocal "slots before weapons" supporter. And yes, any Thunder Pinata Leo or RDB Griff will do fine in that slot, you don't need extra gold or WSPs. However, I guess in the long run it doesn't matter if you go Orkan-Orkan-Slot#5 or reverse, as long as those are your first purchases The way our new matchmaking works it just means you'll get matched against tougher competition with that 5th slot. It just bugs me to see players with level 10 hangars and 4 slots. It bugs me if they are on my team, that is
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Post by critter667 on Mar 7, 2017 8:31:18 GMT -5
I firmly believe in slots before bots. The extra not option helped me enourmously.
That said are you a sniper or brawler? If a sniper then you may not need or use the 5th slot. I have a friend who loves sniping and barely reaches his 4th not most matches.
Me, I like to brawl. I have 2 lights and 2 heavies I use for grabbing and defending beacons at close range. I hated maps like Yamantau. The 5th slot let me add a trident carnage giving me a much needed range option.
So really I vote for the 5th slot first but admit it is because of my play style.
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Post by carnage on Mar 7, 2017 10:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah this question comes constantly.
I'll make it simple :
* In theory, you always go slots, then weaps, then bots.
* In practical, a more balanced approach brings better results. You go till slot #4, then you buy a Gareth, you put it a Taran/Mag combo, then you farm, all that while laughing loudly at people trying to get the 5'000 gold with inferior bots while you crush them day after day. Then, depending of your situation, slot #5 or Galahad. I would even personally go with Galahad before slot #5. With a Gareth and a Galahad, you would have a major advantage on your opponents, meaning you would get your fifth slot smoothly afterwards.
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Post by hyderier on Mar 7, 2017 12:26:41 GMT -5
In practical, a more balanced approach brings better results. You go till slot #4, then you buy a Gareth, you put it a Taran/Mag combo, then you farm, all that while laughing loudly at people trying to get the 5'000 gold with inferior bots while you crush them day after day. Then, depending of your situation, slot #5 or Galahad. I would even personally go with Galahad before slot #5. With a Gareth and a Galahad, you would have a major advantage on your opponents, meaning you would get your fifth slot smoothly afterwards. This only applies if you play a lot. If you only play enough to get the daily mission rewards, then Gareth or Galahad will not get you significantly more gold compared to Ag/WSP bots armed with Pinatas or plasma, and Thunder.
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Post by critter667 on Mar 7, 2017 14:14:00 GMT -5
Add in events and the whole scheme gets messed up too. Thanks to the last event, I earned ample gold and 2 Gareths making the slots before bots an easy choice. Without that boost, I could still see myself in 4 slots and debating a 5th slot or Brit bots.
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 7, 2017 15:55:16 GMT -5
On RDB: I gave it a try for about 10-15 games. While I found it effective at picking off injured bots, as well as hitting groups of enemies clustered together, I found the damage to be underwhelming and the reload time to be too long.
I was playing against a Grif, and unloaded 3 vollies on it. It still had 1/3 of it's health, and I was looking at 58.8 seconds of game time before I could get my 4th Tulum off. I also found that when I wanted to hit targets at a range that it meant being out in the open. That's not intuitive for weapons that have such a long reload.
So RDB is situationally good when you can fight enemies at a distance while maintaining cover. Even then, it's only good when you have a good squad to support. Unfortunately, this isn't what I'm looking for as a solo player.
Back to the topic at hand: I'm currently at 1330 gold, and I expect it would take me anothet 5-6 weeks to save up the rest for the 5th slot. At which point, I could buy a Lancelot instead. I can currently buy a Gareth, Orkan, Aphid, and in a day or two, I could get a Zeus. I'm also half way to a Galahad.
The pros of having the 5th slot is that it would add more versatility to my roster. I would also last longer, and thus play more aggressively.
The cons of having a 5th slot is that it would increase the difficulty of my opponents due to the MM system (is this definitely true?). I also don't think my hangar is strong enough currently to make good use of a 5th slot.
I'm tempted to go Gareth / Orkan or Orkan / Orkan before going for the 5th slot. That would fill out my current hanger before I would need to expand for a 5th bot.
As for camping... yes. Yes I do. My general strategy is to take my Leo in to the center point, and hold it for as long as I can. Then return with plasmas, support, or defender based on the situation at hand.
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Post by RightOn on Mar 7, 2017 16:17:55 GMT -5
What came first, the slot or the bot?
Then it is obvious
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 7, 2017 16:44:58 GMT -5
The argument 'get a bot b4 5th slot bc it will then b easier to make gold to buy 5th slot' is a suggestion to tank. The reason they match u up w harder lineups when u have a 5th slot is bc having 5 bots is way more powerful than just having a beefed up 4th bot eg. By not investing in a 5th slot, you're making yourself weaker, and that's y u get matched w easier bots, and that's y you're a tanker.
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Post by petevb on Mar 7, 2017 16:48:54 GMT -5
I was playing against a Grif, and unloaded 3 vollies on it. It still had 1/3 of it's health, and I was looking at 58.8 seconds of game time before I could get my 4th Tulum off. I also found that when I wanted to hit targets at a range that it meant being out in the open. That's not intuitive for weapons that have such a long reload. So RDB is situationally good when you can fight enemies at a distance while maintaining cover. Even then, it's only good when you have a good squad to support. Unfortunately, this isn't what I'm looking for as a solo player. A maxed RDB will kill a maxed Griffin in 2.5 bursts. It will kill a maxed Galahad in 2. It's a popular build for a reason, and it gets more effective if you stick with it. You should initially use it as your last or second to last bot. If you follow the path I outlined and play aggressively you'll be down your Leo, Boa and Plasma Griff. If you get to that point relatively early in the game you'll need to play for time so you don't mech out early, but you still need to positively impact the game. That's the time to drop the RDB Griffin and play the support role, at least until you get a better feel for game pacing. The extra slot will not put you against stiffer competition any more than any other upgrade you do will. The only gold choice I'd half-way consider before a 5th slot would be the Gareth. However I wouldn't do it: why, when you can build a highly competitive top tier hanger with zero gold bots or weapons? I played down a little recently, and was topping my team with the hanger below. The hanger I suggested you get to is similar but significantly stronger...
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 7, 2017 16:53:11 GMT -5
On RDB: I gave it a try for about 10-15 games. While I found it effective at picking off injured bots, as well as hitting groups of enemies clustered together, I found the damage to be underwhelming and the reload time to be too long. I was playing against a Grif, and unloaded 3 vollies on it. It still had 1/3 of it's health, and I was looking at 58.8 seconds of game time before I could get my 4th Tulum off. I also found that when I wanted to hit targets at a range that it meant being out in the open. That's not intuitive for weapons that have such a long reload. So RDB is situationally good when you can fight enemies at a distance while maintaining cover. Even then, it's only good when you have a good squad to support. Unfortunately, this isn't what I'm looking for as a solo player. Back to the topic at hand: I'm currently at 1330 gold, and I expect it would take me anothet 5-6 weeks to save up the rest for the 5th slot. At which point, I could buy a Lancelot instead. I can currently buy a Gareth, Orkan, Aphid, and in a day or two, I could get a Zeus. I'm also half way to a Galahad. The pros of having the 5th slot is that it would add more versatility to my roster. I would also last longer, and thus play more aggressively. The cons of having a 5th slot is that it would increase the difficulty of my opponents due to the MM system (is this definitely true?). I also don't think my hangar is strong enough currently to make good use of a 5th slot. I'm tempted to go Gareth / Orkan or Orkan / Orkan before going for the 5th slot. That would fill out my current hanger before I would need to expand for a 5th bot. As for camping... yes. Yes I do. My general strategy is to take my Leo in to the center point, and hold it for as long as I can. Then return with plasmas, support, or defender based on the situation at hand. For the RDB, you can use the 500m range for kiting reds to wear them down. I find my RDB is very useful in every map and not just for picking off wounded prey. Dumping a load of pins on another griff will usually wipe out half their health....plus the splash makes it invaluable for shield bots and those pilots who stand on a corner in cover....love when they lose a chunk off their health bar when they thought they were safe. To each their own on what hat they run, but having the 5th slot allows me to run 2 midrangers (TT Fury and RDB griff) that give me a lot of flexibility for all kinds of situations for long and short maps. Getting Orks are good, too, but it will depend on your skill level to outplay 5 slot players to keep getting gold in matches.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 7, 2017 17:01:23 GMT -5
The argument 'get a bot b4 5th slot bc it will then b easier to make gold to buy 5th slot' is a suggestion to tank. The reason they match u up w harder lineups when u have a 5th slot is bc having 5 bots is way more powerful than just having a beefed up 4th bot eg. By not investing in a 5th slot, you're making yourself weaker, and that's y u get matched w easier bots, and that's y you're a tanker. I don't see that choice of 4 or 5 as a tanking issue....with 4 bots you won't get weaker as I'm sure he would continue to level up his bots and weps. It is just harder to compete for gold as he progresses as other 5 slot players will be able to stay in matches longer, theoretically being able to inflict more damage to finish top 3 in any wins. so with 4 slots, you'll progress slower unless you are highly skilled or specialized for certain maps. That is not tanking.
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Post by carnage on Mar 8, 2017 4:31:40 GMT -5
Yeah, just no.
You can argue Gareth is an invitation to farm... maybe. But to tank ? The Gareth (and Galahad, later on) give you a massive advantage all the way to the Diamond leagues so that is exactly perfect to win games, and farm gold.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 5:45:50 GMT -5
Yeah, just no.
... maybe. tank ? The Gareth (and Galahad, later on) give you a massive advantage all the way to the Diamond leagues so that is exactly perfect to win games, and farm gold.
Can someone explain to me y people r saying gareth is op but only in lower tiers so it's somehow a more on-board farming technique on the new matchmaker to invest in gareth before 5th spot eg
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Post by carnage on Mar 8, 2017 6:15:33 GMT -5
Well the Gareth is really hard to deal with, considering the robots you usually face at Gold level.
To make it simple, the Gareth has too much speed to be catch by missiles (good luck damaging a Gareth with Aphids for an example), and the shield is in a relative way the strongest in the game with a staggering 200% of base health which makes it basically immune to plasma attacks. Even more interesting is that the Gareth, unlike the Rhino for instance, can use its shield while firing at 100%. And with a combo medium/light, that gives you the possibility to put a Taran/Magnum, which is basically a newer, meaner version of the old MagGep.
That means Gareth can troll around with ease, coming at the face of mediums/heavies that don’t have the speed to escape, and killing them at short range. They may not have been designed that way, but that’s really what’s happening a lot right now.
Of course they are killable. Any robot is killable. But that usually take a coordinated assault, because 1 on 1, a Gareth will dominate most of the times, only exception being the Galahad which is more or less equivalent to a heavier (but slower) Gareth.
In other words, Gareth is an amazing robot to acquire early (because of the cheap price) and farm gold while progressing in the game. That would give you a much quicker access to a Galahad or a 5th slot, later on.
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Post by snk on Mar 8, 2017 6:16:27 GMT -5
The op obviously hardly even need 4th bot for the whole match, until he change his play style, he probably better upgrade 4 bots instead of 5 bots. I am aggressive player, I definitely need 5 slots. Without Orkan, i can only run like a chicken when i see Rhino, Galahad, Lancy, Or even high level Gerath (upgrade timer for Gerath is much shorter), Which is very bad for knife fighter.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 6:16:41 GMT -5
Here's the thing man... The game is kind of 'meant' to b a 30v30(mechs) game... So if you're not saving up for that, you're just spending time playing some weird clubbing version of war robots
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 8, 2017 7:38:20 GMT -5
* In practical, a more balanced approach brings better results. You go till slot #4, then you buy a Gareth, you put it a Taran/Mag combo, then you farm, all that while laughing loudly at people trying to get the 5'000 gold with inferior bots while you crush them day after day. Then, depending of your situation, slot #5 or Galahad. I would even personally go with Galahad before slot #5. With a Gareth and a Galahad, you would have a major advantage on your opponents, meaning you would get your fifth slot smoothly afterwards. You buy a Gareth, win 20 out of the next 30 matches and are back to the old winning percentage on account of being matched to tougher opposition (laughing loudly at you trying to stand up to the big boys with a Gareth and some inverior bots).
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Post by carnage on Mar 8, 2017 7:56:31 GMT -5
Well there is a big margin. I currently try to promote (a few points away...) to Diamond and Gareth totally rule at my level.
It's hard for me to imagine that the Gareth will suddenly become useless at Diamond level, I guess it is still very serviceable there.
So if you buy a Gareth fairly quickly, it can help you a long, long time.
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 8, 2017 12:24:56 GMT -5
That is basically the decision I'm staring at.
1) Go for 5th slot
2) Buy Orkans and build DB
3) Buy Gareth
On the note of Gareth, is Plasma the way to go? I like playing guerrilla tactics, and was considering using the high mobility to merc players with Orkan/Pinata.
On a side nite, I've come to appreciate RDB. The 500 range explosions is a good counter to both Plasma and Armor (Gareth, Galahad) bots. The mobility of the jump is really effective at keeping out of that 350 range. I can say that I seriously underestimated the usefulness of this setup. Can't wait to level up those guns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 12:37:38 GMT -5
That is basically the decision I'm staring at. 1) Go for 5th slot 2) Buy Orkans and build DB 3) Buy Gareth On the note of Gareth, is Plasma the way to go? I like playing guerrilla tactics, and was considering using the high mobility to merc players with Orkan/Pinata. On a side nite, I've come to appreciate RDB. The 500 range explosions is a good counter to both Plasma and Armor (Gareth, Galahad) bots. The mobility of the jump is really effective at keeping out of that 350 range. I can say that I seriously underestimated the usefulness of this setup. Can't wait to level up those guns. Absolutely no Gareth. Unless you are willing to stabilize your League points in order to stay below Diamond, a Gareth is simply a waste if you don't have Aphids, Galahad and Fury. High mobility won't help you when a midranger looks towards you and shoots. As for my Gareth, I like it with Plasma or Orkan Magnum for hit-and-run tactics. It stays in my hangar unless I have a light bot mission or a beacon capping mission to do. Orkan Pinata will keep you behind a wall most of the time and the firepower isn't substantial to do serious damage.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 8, 2017 12:42:58 GMT -5
I have from the beginning, until now, believed that the slots-before-weapons-before-bots way, is the best way. Orks are the only Au purchase I would even consider first, but I truly believe the slots are better... not just parroting the party line, but this opinion is from my experience. The versatility argument is just as good as the "have more bots to fight with before meching out" argument. Having more to choose from so that you can be ready for more situations is so very helpful. Especially now, as the Meta has become more varied in ranges.
JMO, YMMV
And as far as Gary... I prefer the Plasma, but have come to appreciate Hellfire or all Splash. For me, though, the Gary does it's job better as a Plasma bot. Again, YMMV.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 8, 2017 14:39:52 GMT -5
I too have had stellar games, in fact the best one I ran my spawn bot the entire match, led damage and beacons, scored 10 gold, felt like doge tier. Based on that it could be said a one slot hangar is best, but that would be wrong and dumb.
Get 5 or don't, but the advice is here. 5 slot guy is gonna mech out less than 4 slot guy and way less than 3 slot guy most games. Sure, you're gonna have those sweet runs where you only "need" a bot or two, but most the time in my opinion, you're gonna drain the clip and will need everything you have to bring.
BTW just got done getting pounded in a really good fight, ran out of bot with 1:10 left and that fifth slot would have really helped if I had it, even if it had junk, it would have doubled our survivor count and maybe let us save that game. Instead, all six meched with 30 sec left... bummer.. half MIL wasted on a loss.
Slot 5 dude, just do it.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 8, 2017 14:47:14 GMT -5
Yeah this question comes constantly. I'll make it simple : * In theory, you always go slots, then weaps, then bots. * In practical, a more balanced approach brings better results. You go till slot #4, then you buy a Gareth, you put it a Taran/Mag combo, then you farm, all that while laughing loudly at people trying to get the 5'000 gold with inferior bots while you crush them day after day. Then, depending of your situation, slot #5 or Galahad. I would even personally go with Galahad before slot #5. With a Gareth and a Galahad, you would have a major advantage on your opponents, meaning you would get your fifth slot smoothly afterwards. Wow, great post.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 17:24:00 GMT -5
I get the argument about buying a lower-tier op bot like Gareth to farm towards 5th slot. But it's definitely a lame move for the community- ur farming gold while the rest of us are trying to practice actual tactics.
Here's a question- y spend gold on robots that aren't going to end up in your final lineup
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 8, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
Next time u play a match where one side starts getting meched- it's ALWAYS someone without the 5th slot. Don't b that guy, plzzzzz don't b that guy!!!
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Post by copilotjesus on Mar 8, 2017 17:42:36 GMT -5
Next time u play a match where one side starts getting meched- it's ALWAYS someone without the 5th slot. Don't b that guy, plzzzzz don't b that guy!!! It's almost always me feeling like we're kicking 「bum-bum」, and then I realize there are only 2 of us let and we're losing hard while I'm only on my 2nd or 3rd bot. There are those rare occasions where I get wrecked right away by some well coordinated teams though.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 8, 2017 23:05:47 GMT -5
My suggestion is look at all robot's and weapon's reviews. Then decide on these:
1. How many gold weapons/bots you favored above silver or wsp gears? 2. How many of THOSE gold weapons/bots you THINK that can be replaced with another WP/Silver things in terms of general capabilities?
If you think the gold ones can't be replaced easily enough by their counterparts, then go for them before 5th slot. But if you find that those gold gears are quite easy enough to be replaced by the silver's/wp's, then surely go for the 5th slot first.
There's no right or wrong in those options. It's all depends solely on the player
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 9, 2017 9:05:25 GMT -5
Copy/pasted my response from another thread. I'm gonna save this and file it as my generic response to this over-discussed topic:
There's a lot to be said about the "fun factor" of this game.
This game requires a combination of long and short term upgrade strategies. It makes perfect sense to me to have a pair of Orkans ASAP so you can start the upgrade process. That's enough to outfit two Thunder/Orkan Boas which will carry you quite far while you grind for slot 5. The Boas will eventually lose their efficiency, but the 2 Thunders and 2 Orkans will likely go all the way up with you. How many days do you want to waste upgrading Punishers?
It's also important to learn how to use those Orkans before you get thrown into battles with tougher competitors that know how to use their Orkans.
As for the Brit Bot before 5th slot theory: only if you're using your wallet to help you along. I had two Galahads before I bought my 5th slot. But, I used $$$ to make that happen. If you don't have $$$ or you simply refuse to spend $$$, then your resources are better spent on that 5th slot before ANY bot.
I say Orkans before 5th slot. They never go out of style and you might as well start upgrading them as soon as you can afford them.
But, if you must buy a bot... Galahad. No question.
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