Deterring tankers: same gold for everyone on winning team

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Mar 7, 2017 4:01:35 GMT 8 critter667 said:

There is a general assumption that If gold were more balanced, tanking would not happen. I don't think this is a valid assumption.



Rather, people will still tank because they would want the certainty of gold. Under an equal payout scheme, a player can earn gold 50% of the time and depends heavily on your whole team. But if I tank, I know I can win more often because my opponents are easy to beat. Now yes tanking takes time, but it is not the same involved time as a real fight requires. If my boss is out, I can tank 5-6 times an hour while at work and not worry. Start a match, check 10 minutes later, start a 2nd one. No effort needed. I could the ay all evening at a lower level gaining gold.



Nothing about this proposed system would change that.
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That's what they are doing now, and they get 10 gold each win.
In my system they'll get 2 gold each win.

That may not take their incentive away completely, but should make it small enough for many of the tankers to stop I think?
And even if it doesn't reduce tanking at all, they'll still screw their teammates less when they are on their ways up (2 gold instead of 0 for their teammates)

It is very hard to get silver and gold  if you play your game the best you can.  I got fed up of fighting maxed out hangars when my mechs were 6/8 at their highest. 

Very unfair. I liked the old MM system better, it wasn´t 100% fair but it was different. I red about Pixonic announcement of the Cheater League. Let me tell you what is going on in recruit league.

I sure would not like to be a destrier level 1 with level 3 weapons right now, because there are tons of ppl out there doing bad and nasty things.

In the Recruit League usually from 500 to 800 points I have been finding a lot of good all gepard 4/10 hangars. I think this is where all the gepards went to.  In any case I think it is 1 in 12 games that I find one of this individuals.
It was the same with the old matchmaking system, it was kinda rare to find them Lurking in Recruit or Private.

The main difference now is that, before, maybe in the lowest league you would find a gepard 1/1 with 1 magnum killing everyone, this I am sure did not drive any new players away, it didn´t drive me away i just learned that I should get me a gepard with mags and so I did and i made tons of gold and silver and bought me tons of things like many bots and hangar slots and things ppl that don´t pay only dream about.

Anyway The difference is that, now, in recruit league  at 0 points, you can effectively find a 12/12 rinho trashing destriers 1/1.

If I had been a little destrier like I once was, being butchered by a huge robot, maybe that would have made me cry and leave the game. But if it happened very seldomly I would go and buy me a huge robot as well ASAP.

Just increase daily tasks and eliminate match gold altogether. End results would be the same for a majority of players and tankers would no longer have the incentive.

Can't do that. A player that plays 4 matches a day would get the same gold as a player that plays 40. Also, it would take away an incentive for winning and beacon capping, as the majority of tasks are damage/kill based. Plus most players would be royally pissed about that. 

And I'm afraid I disagree about the "no incentive". You have to account for selfish players, who don't give a damn about all other players and their game experience. And it took me a long time to realize that, but now it's crystal clear to me. Tankers would still tank.

Look at it like this: If you play to your best abilities, matchmaking will ensure that your cup sum is roughly zero in the long term, if you are placed in the correct league. If you are at your "fair" cup value (i.e. the value that perfectly fits your playing strength), you could play 10 or 1000 games, all with the same result: Your cup value will be roughly the same after those 10 or 1000 matches, as MM will always push you towards your "fair" cup value. The cup differential will just be some random value. (If you are not at your correct cup value, you will be pushed towards the correct value. 10 games may be not enough to get there, but it doesn't matter if you play 100 or 1000 games, your cup differential will be the fair cup value minus the current cup value.)

Now, ignoring the horrible cup distribution for now (which should be fixed, but this is a different issue), and we will also ignore random fluctuations and assume for simplicity (or clearer wording) that you win exactly half of your games, and end up at exactly the fair value after a large number of games. So assume that means if you play 100 games you'll lose 50 and win 50. And now we come back to the incentive problem: If you lose a game, you know that you'll win 50 of the next 99 games. Not significant, sure. But if you lose 50 games, you'll win - well, not 50 of the next 50 games as we have to consider some randomness, but maybe 100 of your next 150, as this win differential is equalized by matchmaking pushing you towards your fair rating. Even if you eliminate gold, you'll get more silver this way. (And without going into details, but the current cup distribution helps tankers very much.)

Essentially, the value of a loss is that you'll get an extra win down the road. By systematically losing, you will have a very, very high win rate in the games that you play seriously. And of course, if it looks as if the game is turning against you, why not ditch the game and go to the next one? The only problem with this approach, you know, is that it kills the fun for the other players. As in destroys the game in the long term. 

And no matter how you try to penalize tankers, a performance based matchmaking will always have the problem I described: Losing (unintentionally or intenionally) has value, and this will be exploited.

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That is absurd.

While I agree that you will have a number of min/maxers in any game, most of these people do it just to get the thrill of an unfair advantage. The advantage I speak of is gold the premium currency in the game. Any honest player can put in tons of seat time regardless of skills and earn everything else in the game. I have played games where glitches that were being abused for years were fixed and boom all of the sudden finding someone online was hard to do. No advantage and these guys will just disappear.

I concede it will be painful for some but most would probably be encouraged to play more.