Ravager
Destrier
We complain and complain but still keep playing the game.
Posts: 100
Karma: 154
Pilot name: Ravager
Platform: Android
Clan: I don't believe in clans despite getting squad wrecked
League: Champion
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Pursuer
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Post by Ravager on Apr 22, 2019 12:07:27 GMT -5
Everyone told Quantum Radar will kill Ao Jun. Dragons are balanced What happened ? All of you people had expert opinions on this forum few months back. Now Ao jun dominates.
Everyones underestimating Loki. Quantum Radar , right ? Let's see you in 3 months time.
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 22, 2019 14:35:27 GMT -5
Everyone told Quantum Radar will kill Ao Jun. Dragons are balanced What happened ? All of you people had expert opinions on this forum few months back. Now Ao jun dominates. Everyones underestimating Loki. Quantum Radar , right ? Let's see you in 3 months time. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by spartan44 on Apr 22, 2019 16:57:50 GMT -5
Nerf the hell outta both of them. Is it theft to nerf someones real money purchase? Yes it is. However, people ought to know better by now. This is the way theftsonic works. It's a long established modus operandi. Introduce OP bots, sell them, then nerf them.
They are both beyond ridiculous but I think Ao Jun is the worst of all.
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Post by foxypotato on Apr 22, 2019 17:04:30 GMT -5
I'd rather see the Ares have a damage resistance mode where resisted damage is absorbed then dished back out with retribution. The damage resistance would drop when retribution activates. The retribution would activate after absorption or on the 2nd press of the ability button.
This won't happen. They can't change the mechanic of how the bot's abtility operates post release without facing refund issues. Instead they will tweak the bots stats and leave the ability unchanged. Give it a 22 second long cool down, slow the bots speed down and severely nerf the damage of the built in weapons.
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Post by Zedd on Apr 22, 2019 17:13:27 GMT -5
Does all this proposed nerfing really matter? We know the as soon as the Ares is nerfed the next OP god bot will be rolling out the production line. Some people will still find positives in this and will remain optimistic, that's great, but the business model pix has decided has been evidently clear for sometime and isnt likely to change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:03:26 GMT -5
Everyone told Quantum Radar will kill Ao Jun. Dragons are balanced What happened ? All of you people had expert opinions on this forum few months back. Now Ao jun dominates. Everyones underestimating Loki. Quantum Radar , right ? Let's see you in 3 months time. On paper, dragons and greek bots are more balanced. In reality, only 2 out of the 6 bots are broken because of bugs. Dragon breath on white dragon with insta kill. And the Ares come blast. I think they nerfed the Ares quietly today. That means Ares will no longer kill half the team by himself anymore. Cheat mode is off. I cant tell you the secret of how to kill the white dragon, otherwise pixo will fix this for the next release. But I do chase them alot more than Ares because I know I can kill them. They are still bugged, so the dragon breath will melt you in <1s. But I still take the chance because I know one dragon can kill half my idiot teammates.
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Post by descentx on Apr 22, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5
Increase the cooldown at least, the HP of Ares seems fine, it seems like they have too much time to hide and abuse the ability because the cooldown is fast and the duration is long. If they shorten the duration from 4/4 to 3/3 the weapon will fire even faster but will have less time to recieve a damage boost. I vote just increase the cooldown, a damn spectre takes 20+ seconds as is, and has even less HP, costs the same to upgrade... make it fair. thank you for noticing ates cool down being short ay least I'm not the only noticed it. I agree the cool down is stupid retarted.
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Post by balrog89 on Apr 22, 2019 18:14:27 GMT -5
I do not believe the Ares needs a nerf. I kill them very easily with a Persuer. Last Stand needs to be fixed. I do not mind it in its base form, but once upgraded, it breaks the game.
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Post by garunixreborn on Apr 23, 2019 6:23:07 GMT -5
I don't find Ares is invincible as I killed one with a G-Had this morning. But I do totally agree with the shield have that ancile/aegis quality about it and reduce when getting hit. As for Ao Jun I love them when they land in a bad place. You could kill a prenerf Spectre with a destrier if you tried hard enough. The reality is in most cases a competent ares pilot will have no problem shredding lower bots. Also Ao jun basically gets extreme speed in air, and sure you get your shot when its on the ground, after 13 seconds of stealth with its instakill flamethrower. Adrian killed a haechi with a schutze
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Post by garunixreborn on Apr 23, 2019 6:27:01 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. Who cares about people who spend their money? They should expect this seeing how everything can get buffed or nerfed at any point. I don't know when this community developed the cancerous sense of entitlement where "my bot should always be OP and it shall never change!"
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Post by garunixreborn on Apr 23, 2019 6:30:43 GMT -5
I think if you give Ares an Aegis like shield it gets much more OP. Look how long it takes to bring down a Bulwark shield. A lot longer than 8 seconds. yes, making the ares shield weaker is going to make it much more powerful!
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Post by PixelPower6 on Apr 23, 2019 8:21:28 GMT -5
you can remove the stealth by using Quantum Radar. Maybe switch the stealth for a resistance? Unless that would make that a very powerful Ao Guang which I think it will In theory yes, in practice no. 2 second activation, can only consistently hit with lockon weapons is 3 seconds more. boom 2 seconds to attack it, assuming you aren't already dead of course. and if that doesn't work it has another 6 seconds of stealth. Yes, it is hard to time Quantum Radar, but it is possible and does work. For lock-on weapons, focus on someone else before quantum radar activates and then switch targets. Which can be hard, I know. Try using something that has high DPS, like orkan, exodus, shredder, etc. Ones that don't have lock-on. Maybe use stealth robots to counter-stealth as well. Use speed to outrun and find cover, like a roof. Quantum radar is a module requiring more skill, and for good reason. Some robots would be obsolete or near obsolete without it. If you don't want to run counters for it, than there's nothing that will help you except teammates, smart playing, and stupid opponents. Teammates can be harder to rely on though.
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Post by akulon on Apr 24, 2019 19:48:50 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. Who cares about people who spend their money? They should expect this seeing how everything can get buffed or nerfed at any point. I don't know when this community developed the cancerous sense of entitlement where "my bot should always be OP and it shall never change!" I care to those who spend money because they are the one who allow me to keep playing the game I like (War Robots). They are the one who pay for the bandwith, Stan's Vodka+Caviar, development of new toys (Ares, Ao Jun, etc), so I thank them. And also because I read in one of J.A.R.V.I.S post that Pix' revenue from ad is based on PPC/PPInstall not PPV.
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Corrosion
Destrier
Tryhard mode has been activated...
Posts: 22
Karma: 10
Pilot name: CORROS!ON
Clan: INTERCEPTION
League: Master
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Ao Jun
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Post by Corrosion on Jun 5, 2020 23:48:40 GMT -5
Ill speak primarily from the perspective of ares, having now used it for a while and knowings its strengths "many" and weaknesses "few". And what I feel could balance it easily, and what inspired it was actually a look at some old test server footage of the original blitz, for those who don't know the blitz, which many would call next to worthless in its current state, was originally seen as the next big mega op meta bot, the invader was actually low on the list compared to it, it was faster originally but that wasn't what was broke it, there was a bug where the temporary aegis sheild? was infinite. You could blast as many orkans into it as you wanted, suppressed or not, it never went down, this bot easily slayed the king at the time, Spectre. Ares, and by extension all the Pantheon basically use this "bugged" Sheild, but on purpose. What I propose? No hp nerf, no firepower nerf, no speed nerf, no cooldown nerf, but instead make the absorber sheild a blitz like aegis, maybe with like 80,000-100,000 hp, so it CAN go down, but will temporarily make the bot more tanky, this will make it so the bots keep their fast paced assault style gameplay, but without the carefree -i win- nature of the bots as is. As for the obvious next point, this nerf will balance ares, and by extension make ao jun the absolute king, it can be fixed easily, remove the stealth. Oh and side note, delete last stand from the game. Ao Jun is just way too OP. Today I was having fun in bed ( no dirtiness intended, I wus just playing War Robots) in FFA when a maxed Ao Jun began flying around in rome kicked my 「bum-bum」. 「fluffernutter」!! Sometimes, its just so annoying when this matchmaking unfairness happens. Anyway, nerf Ao Jun a little bit, make it a little less tankier, or make the built in flames less damaging. The DOT is fine, cus it sucks. Also, nerf or remake last STANd, like make it so that you take 90% less damage ( also make titans weaps can't bypass), but u still are killable.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 6, 2020 3:31:58 GMT -5
Ill speak primarily from the perspective of ares, having now used it for a while and knowings its strengths "many" and weaknesses "few". And what I feel could balance it easily, and what inspired it was actually a look at some old test server footage of the original blitz, for those who don't know the blitz, which many would call next to worthless in its current state, was originally seen as the next big mega op meta bot, the invader was actually low on the list compared to it, it was faster originally but that wasn't what was broke it, there was a bug where the temporary aegis sheild? was infinite. You could blast as many orkans into it as you wanted, suppressed or not, it never went down, this bot easily slayed the king at the time, Spectre. Ares, and by extension all the Pantheon basically use this "bugged" Sheild, but on purpose. What I propose? No hp nerf, no firepower nerf, no speed nerf, no cooldown nerf, but instead make the absorber sheild a blitz like aegis, maybe with like 80,000-100,000 hp, so it CAN go down, but will temporarily make the bot more tanky, this will make it so the bots keep their fast paced assault style gameplay, but without the carefree -i win- nature of the bots as is. As for the obvious next point, this nerf will balance ares, and by extension make ao jun the absolute king, it can be fixed easily, remove the stealth. Oh and side note, delete last stand from the game. Ao Jun is just way too OP. Today I was having fun in bed ( no dirtiness intended, I wus just playing War Robots) in FFA when a maxed Ao Jun began flying around in rome kicked my ?bum-bum?. ?fluffernutter?!! Sometimes, its just so annoying when this matchmaking unfairness happens. Anyway, nerf Ao Jun a little bit, make it a little less tankier, or make the built in flames less damaging. The DOT is fine, cus it sucks. Also, nerf or remake last STANd, like make it so that you take 90% less damage ( also make titans weaps can't bypass), but u still are killable. Mate, don't necro post. This thread is over a year old and not relevant anymore.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 6, 2020 9:55:35 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed seeing what the forum reaction was to Ares and Ao Jun a year ago. Looks like we still cared about balnce even as little as a year ago. Now:
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Post by RightOn on Jun 6, 2020 11:57:43 GMT -5
Ares nerf was far more impactful than Ao Jun and Phantom "adjustments"
So much as that I actually use the (leadhose) Ares I won for free, versus liquidating the others >.>
The speed decrease alone is reason enough to hold back on Retribution. Stack that with SB and you're pretty much limited to Titan control (not that this is a bad thing, but Ares is arguably more effective than Ao Jun at hurting Titans).
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Post by NexusBlade on Jun 6, 2020 16:56:01 GMT -5
Ill speak primarily from the perspective of ares, having now used it for a while and knowings its strengths "many" and weaknesses "few". And what I feel could balance it easily, and what inspired it was actually a look at some old test server footage of the original blitz, for those who don't know the blitz, which many would call next to worthless in its current state, was originally seen as the next big mega op meta bot, the invader was actually low on the list compared to it, it was faster originally but that wasn't what was broke it, there was a bug where the temporary aegis sheild? was infinite. You could blast as many orkans into it as you wanted, suppressed or not, it never went down, this bot easily slayed the king at the time, Spectre. Ares, and by extension all the Pantheon basically use this "bugged" Sheild, but on purpose. What I propose? No hp nerf, no firepower nerf, no speed nerf, no cooldown nerf, but instead make the absorber sheild a blitz like aegis, maybe with like 80,000-100,000 hp, so it CAN go down, but will temporarily make the bot more tanky, this will make it so the bots keep their fast paced assault style gameplay, but without the carefree -i win- nature of the bots as is. As for the obvious next point, this nerf will balance ares, and by extension make ao jun the absolute king, it can be fixed easily, remove the stealth. Oh and side note, delete last stand from the game. Ao Jun is just way too OP. Today I was having fun in bed ( no dirtiness intended, I wus just playing War Robots) in FFA when a maxed Ao Jun began flying around in rome kicked my ?bum-bum?. ?fluffernutter?!! Sometimes, its just so annoying when this matchmaking unfairness happens. Anyway, nerf Ao Jun a little bit, make it a little less tankier, or make the built in flames less damaging. The DOT is fine, cus it sucks. Also, nerf or remake last STANd, like make it so that you take 90% less damage ( also make titans weaps can't bypass), but u still are killable. Nice necro. Forgot this thread even existed. Ah I remember when Ao Juns feared Ares, I'm getting old.
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 6, 2020 18:53:35 GMT -5
guess what...if mk3-4 pilot skills happen your Ares will be back in the new meta.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jun 7, 2020 0:24:30 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed seeing what the forum reaction was to Ares and Ao Jun a year ago. Looks like we still cared about balnce even as little as a year ago. Now: Especially when you say it is able to kill titans on its own. They say "but it is the only thing that can kill titans on its own", I mean come on! Titans should not be killable by a SINGLE bot. It is a TITAN.
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Post by xv104 on Jun 7, 2020 2:36:43 GMT -5
Good necro Ironically they gave blitz DR. Similar to the OP's suggestion about a finite Aegis shield. Also i tried dash Ares on the test server. Rejoice, the nerf is undone!
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