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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 21, 2019 18:20:14 GMT -5
Ill speak primarily from the perspective of ares, having now used it for a while and knowings its strengths "many" and weaknesses "few". And what I feel could balance it easily, and what inspired it was actually a look at some old test server footage of the original blitz, for those who don't know the blitz, which many would call next to worthless in its current state, was originally seen as the next big mega op meta bot, the invader was actually low on the list compared to it, it was faster originally but that wasn't what was broke it, there was a bug where the temporary aegis sheild? was infinite. You could blast as many orkans into it as you wanted, suppressed or not, it never went down, this bot easily slayed the king at the time, Spectre. Ares, and by extension all the Pantheon basically use this "bugged" Sheild, but on purpose. What I propose? No hp nerf, no firepower nerf, no speed nerf, no cooldown nerf, but instead make the absorber sheild a blitz like aegis, maybe with like 80,000-100,000 hp, so it CAN go down, but will temporarily make the bot more tanky, this will make it so the bots keep their fast paced assault style gameplay, but without the carefree -i win- nature of the bots as is.
As for the obvious next point, this nerf will balance ares, and by extension make ao jun the absolute king, it can be fixed easily, remove the stealth.
Oh and side note, delete last stand from the game.
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Post by milty72 on Apr 21, 2019 18:52:40 GMT -5
I don't find Ares is invincible as I killed one with a G-Had this morning. But I do totally agree with the shield have that ancile/aegis quality about it and reduce when getting hit.
As for Ao Jun I love them when they land in a bad place.
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 21, 2019 18:59:09 GMT -5
I don't find Ares is invincible as I killed one with a G-Had this morning. But I do totally agree with the shield have that ancile/aegis quality about it and reduce when getting hit. As for Ao Jun I love them when they land in a bad place. You could kill a prenerf Spectre with a destrier if you tried hard enough. The reality is in most cases a competent ares pilot will have no problem shredding lower bots. Also Ao jun basically gets extreme speed in air, and sure you get your shot when its on the ground, after 13 seconds of stealth with its instakill flamethrower. |
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Post by RightOn on Apr 21, 2019 19:07:38 GMT -5
Increase the cooldown at least, the HP of Ares seems fine, it seems like they have too much time to hide and abuse the ability because the cooldown is fast and the duration is long. If they shorten the duration from 4/4 to 3/3 the weapon will fire even faster but will have less time to recieve a damage boost. I vote just increase the cooldown, a damn spectre takes 20+ seconds as is, and has even less HP, costs the same to upgrade... make it fair.
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 21, 2019 19:13:13 GMT -5
Increase the cooldown at least, the HP of Ares seems fine, it seems like they have too much time to hide and abuse the ability because the cooldown is fast and the duration is long. If they shorten the duration from 4/4 to 3/3 the weapon will fire even faster but will have less time to recieve a damage boost. I vote just increase the cooldown, a damn spectre takes 20+ seconds as is, and has even less HP, costs the same to upgrade... make it fair. Perhaps, a cooldown increase is one possibility, But I was thinking how one such detail as the blitz going from a unlimited sheild to a limited one un-oped it, I think such a change could benefit the balance of ares. A limited aegis. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Apr 21, 2019 19:21:18 GMT -5
Ares: put a damage limit on the shield. This will have 2 effects: 1) Ares (particularly in packs) are no longer invincible, and 2) people will actually shoot at the purple shield, thereby charging the Retribution ability.
Ao Jun: Dragon's Breath -50% damage and change the targeting mechanism to the same as regular Ember, Stealth during first 5 sec of flight only.
On a related note: all the Jump+Stealth Bots should have Stealth effect and cool down on a timer that starts from activation, not from landing; this removes extended Stealth due to jumping off high objects or getting hung up before hitting the ground.
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Post by dom0aragato on Apr 21, 2019 19:44:18 GMT -5
Why does everyone hate the Ares so much? They are much easier to kill than a leveled invader, Mk 2 merc, or even avenger bulwark
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Apr 21, 2019 19:53:43 GMT -5
Why does everyone hate the Ares so much? They are much easier to kill than a leveled invader, Mk 2 merc, or even avenger bulwark I can handle ONE Ares with reasonable chance of success. 2 running together are massively OP. 3 or more are unassailable, especially in TDM. |
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Post by joshfishyu on Apr 21, 2019 20:05:03 GMT -5
Pixonic probably will use modules to make Greek and Dragon bots obsolete in the future, so they can make more money in the process:
Shield breaker module (5000 gold): at maxed level, can 100% shoot through purple shield, and deal 200% dmg to aegis shield (bye bye Bulwark~).
Advanced quantum radar (40 pc per use): can hit stealth targets for 12 sec (what a coincident number!).
Defense neutralizer (5000 gold): ignore 50% dmg reduction effects, can stack to 100% if you have 2 (still using Ao Guang and Falcon? better buy our new Christmas OP bots now!).
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Post by wunghunglo on Apr 21, 2019 20:45:52 GMT -5
Ares needs big buff and Ao Jun too, those bots are too easy to beat in champion league. Ares needs at least 250k hp Max mk2, Ao Jun needs hp buff and it's built in ember needs to bypass last stand. In champion league I keep seeing Japanese and Korean players teach ares and Ao Jun players lessons by using Destrier bots to take them down.
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 21, 2019 20:49:09 GMT -5
Ares needs big buff and Ao Jun too, those bots are too easy to beat in champion league. Ares needs at least 250k hp Max mk2, Ao Jun needs hp buff and it's built in ember needs to bypass last stand. In champion league I keep seeing Japanese and Korean players teach ares and Ao Jun players lessons by using Destrier bots to take them down. Couldn't agree more, destrier is absolutely broken, its like pixonic sat down their entire staff and asked for the most absurd op bot ideas, combined them all and buffed it, thats what destrier is. |
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Post by akulon on Apr 21, 2019 21:13:52 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund).
Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 21, 2019 21:33:13 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. Not trying to insult or anything, but are you new here? What you describe is exactly what Pix has done time and time again. Pix has no credibility remaining. Or were you going for deadpan humor? If so, well done sir, you totally got me. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 21, 2019 21:41:09 GMT -5
Pixonic probably will use modules to make Greek and Dragon bots obsolete in the future, so they can make more money in the process: Shield breaker module (5000 gold): at maxed level, can 100% shoot through purple shield, and deal 200% dmg to aegis shield (bye bye Bulwark~). Advanced quantum radar (40 pc per use): can hit stealth targets for 12 sec (what a coincident number!). Defense neutralizer (5000 gold): ignore 50% dmg reduction effects, can stack to 100% if you have 2 (still using Ao Guang and Falcon? better buy our new Christmas OP bots now!). This exactly. Pix is on a hamster wheel of obsoleting the current by selling the next. It’s what I’ve been predicting for a while now - and we are not alone. The writing is on the wall for all to see. Pix’s idea of rebalance is to slightly nerf the existing OP ubermeta, then replace it with new, bigger shinier superubermeta. Unlike, say, the falcon which has a trade off for its ability, the new bots are just more and more abilities without counter and without trade offs. |
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Post by RightOn on Apr 21, 2019 21:43:09 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. As amazing as this sounds, I bet there are whales who would prefer that their old bots they also paid for would be worth using again. Nerf the damn things. |
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Post by hi5 on Apr 21, 2019 22:19:54 GMT -5
I don’t see an option for “Yes to both, just as soon as enough players have gotten them.”?
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Post by RIP_HARAMBE on Apr 21, 2019 22:23:33 GMT -5
My new thing is, if I see a purple shield, I go kill that sombetch.
If I see a flying dragon, I go kill that sombetch.
If I see an Invader I get out of the way, find a firing solution, and kill that sombetch.
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Post by leecher123 on Apr 21, 2019 23:24:07 GMT -5
Pixonic probably will use modules to make Greek and Dragon bots obsolete in the future, so they can make more money in the process: Shield breaker module (5000 gold): at maxed level, can 100% shoot through purple shield, and deal 200% dmg to aegis shield (bye bye Bulwark~). Advanced quantum radar (40 pc per use): can hit stealth targets for 12 sec (what a coincident number!). Defense neutralizer (5000 gold): ignore 50% dmg reduction effects, can stack to 100% if you have 2 (still using Ao Guang and Falcon? better buy our new Christmas OP bots now!). More examples of selling power: Resonance module - upon activation you can make the energy shield (blue, yellow and purple) of a chosen bot to explode and deal massive damage to not only the targeted bot, but also to all surrounding bots. |
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 21, 2019 23:27:41 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. As amazing as this sounds, I bet there are whales who would prefer that their old bots they also paid for would be worth using again. Nerf the damn things. Exactly, I don't really see anyone advocating making meta bots useless, if anyone is name them I haven't seen it, Considering the state that bots like haechi are in right now, ares and etc can take MASSIVE hits while still being effective bots, and best yet making other gear more relevant again, aka diversity. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 2:01:19 GMT -5
I would just make the shield not able to protect teammates. The Ares itself is strong, but the real problem is when 3 of them start cycling their shields being permanently invincible. They should nerf its speed too and the ability damage.
What about the Ao Jun...well, I would nerf the speed, remove the autotargeting of the in-built Ember and remove the corrosion.
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Post by akulon on Apr 22, 2019 2:53:01 GMT -5
Nerf will hurt those who already spend RM or time to acquire and upgrade the bots (more spending more hurt). The big/small spenders will reluctant to invest on new meta bots (less 5 Ares/Ao Jun hangars) and resulted in negative impact to Pix bottom line (possible max earning or even refund). Nerf will also hit Pix credebility. Some players will consider it as a trick to sell new meta instead of balancing the game. Not trying to insult or anything, but are you new here? What you describe is exactly what Pix has done time and time again. Pix has no credibility remaining. Or were you going for deadpan humor? If so, well done sir, you totally got me. I'm here less than a year. Playing computer/handphone games is also less than a year. I've spent years in consumer and pharma companies who treat their consumer/costumer as King. I found this game and like it, so I started to search more information and amazed to read so many negative comments in this forum, reddit, YT, etc. I understand your reaction, and that is precisely my point, current credibility is low, why lower it? Directly nerf old meta to sell new meta ( in current business model Pix has to sell) hurts the credibility more than only sell w/o nerf. So just sell those new meta w/o nerf, no need to lower the currently low credibility and hurts the Whales. Yeah, I just hope that Pix can meet its financial objective with lowest damage possible, see that there is a future in this game and put more long term goals. And I can enjoy play this War Robots until I get bored. Cheers. |
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Post by nomercy on Apr 22, 2019 4:00:30 GMT -5
A simple speed nerf would solve all the problems:
Ares 45 km/h
Ao Jun speed in flight 55 km/h
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Post by Eurobercik on Apr 22, 2019 5:39:41 GMT -5
First of all, Ao Jun is way too fast. I can't hide from it, because it'll have enough time to get to me from any distance and shred me...
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Post by bravex on Apr 22, 2019 6:37:47 GMT -5
I think if you give Ares an Aegis like shield it gets much more OP. Look how long it takes to bring down a Bulwark shield. A lot longer than 8 seconds.
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Post by #1 worst pilot on Apr 22, 2019 7:21:22 GMT -5
Ares shield, besides the op Ness of it, slows the game down. I have begun to specifically target them in the matches. I'm thinking about just having a hanger of mercuries and going on an ares killing spree. Increase the cool down, and slow it down, stupid thing almost out running my pursuer. Take the auto target away from the dragons breath, give it a tic tac or some Listerine, That will help a lot.
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 22, 2019 7:45:39 GMT -5
I think if you give Ares an Aegis like shield it gets much more OP. Look how long it takes to bring down a Bulwark shield. A lot longer than 8 seconds. I think you don't understand how the ares currently works. Its sheild never goes down no matter how much you shoot it, in fact shooting it fuels its damage. im proposing making it have a set amount of hp, and goes away automatically after 8 seconds if not destroyed, thats a significant nerf. Also the aegis is just a sheild type, The hp can change, I think 80-100k hp aegis would be reasonable for a glass cannon like ares, would help protect from attacks but an orkan spectre could still easily pop that bubble. |
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Post by Bladeacer on Apr 22, 2019 7:51:10 GMT -5
My message to proposed nerfs and buffs in War Robots: Nothing you do to a pay-to-win game is healthy, that is unless you remove the pay-to win element. And people should move down to Silver league as why waste so much time on this game? I suggest that people enjoy how Pixonic bureaucrats are killing their own long-term income as this game will be ditched sooner or later, as how Phil does business. Silver league and below is like the good old days, totally unaffected by the Pay-to-win disease spreading from Masters to Champs. Peace out. (correct me if I am wrong)
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Post by 𝖉𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖒𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖍 on Apr 22, 2019 10:17:28 GMT -5
This is so simple. Place a weak spot on the back of his ankles...oh wait that was Achilles never mind.
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Post by PixelPower6 on Apr 22, 2019 11:03:01 GMT -5
you can remove the stealth by using Quantum Radar.
Maybe switch the stealth for a resistance? Unless that would make that a very powerful Ao Guang which I think it will
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Post by NexusBlade on Apr 22, 2019 11:29:56 GMT -5
you can remove the stealth by using Quantum Radar. Maybe switch the stealth for a resistance? Unless that would make that a very powerful Ao Guang which I think it will In theory yes, in practice no. 2 second activation, can only consistently hit with lockon weapons is 3 seconds more. boom 2 seconds to attack it, assuming you aren't already dead of course. and if that doesn't work it has another 6 seconds of stealth. |
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