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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 4, 2017 11:23:49 GMT -5
New Prototype "medium" on this weekend's test server---- 150HP, 45KPH, Dash available after 5 seconds after landing, an Energy Shield ------ AND 3 medium hard points!
I love it.
However, what of the current bots does this bot NOT make obsolete?
This makes my Galahad and Griffin very fragile. Furies and Lancelots don't fair much better.
If you thought Ancilots were hard to kill, these bots don't even need supporting fire to get deep into enemy territory and you can forget knifing with them in a heavy bot.
Cossack and Rogatka pilots will fall in love with this new bot and their skills will instantly elevate them to pro status when they pilot the them.
I want this bot, but it's the kind of bot that you can just use 5 of them and be dominate ---- this thing has no real weaknesses (and long range Zeus or Treb fire won't kill it fast enough).
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Mar 4, 2017 11:31:58 GMT -5
The way Pix is pushing so hard to make this an OP bot has me thinking one and one thing: Power creep confirmed.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 4, 2017 11:48:38 GMT -5
The way Pix is pushing so hard to make this an OP bot has me thinking one and one thing: Power creep confirmed. I'm thinking this too, as I can't imagine there were any pilots that said "this Dash bot needs a buff" from the first test version that had 2 medium hard points. So chasing the next meta with cash only (Easter Event next?) bots is the business model now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 11:48:40 GMT -5
This bot makes the Griffin obsolete and every single other bot.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Mar 4, 2017 12:00:28 GMT -5
Why don't they add this to the other Jump robots? Instead of tapping the button, you'd drag it in the direction you want to dodge. Of course, let's tone it down a bit...
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Post by fijiwater on Mar 4, 2017 12:35:01 GMT -5
Why don't they add this to the other Jump robots? Instead of tapping the button, you'd drag it in the direction you want to dodge. Of course, let's tone it down a bit... gib $$$$ for this sweet new bot. Sincerely, Pixonic
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 4, 2017 12:37:32 GMT -5
On Adrian's video this bots actually kind of fragile imo. I guess I'll find out in 1.5 hours for myself when the test server opens. My initial thought tho says it's not op. Time will tell.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 4, 2017 12:38:46 GMT -5
1. Underpowered bots don't sell
2. Wildwest bots did not sell well - see above.
3. The top tiers are full of Shield bots and Griffs. People will pay to have the best bots and be in Champ league, accept it.
4. Thinking Pix will invalidate you current hanger with the release of this bot is a bit hysteric.
5. There has not been a new jump bot in many moons. Why do we immediately want to burn it with torches and poke it with pitchforks?
6. Pix seems not to want to go backwards to enhance previous bots but for buffs and nerfs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -5
So it's a fujin, with more HP, more speed, and dash? Fujin gets a drawback for its energy shield, while this gets a second ability. Wow.
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Post by ewing411 on Mar 4, 2017 12:56:25 GMT -5
Pixonic hasn't done outright Pay-2-Win yet. I'll give the Devs the-benafit-of-the-doubt.
Any mistakes I've seen so far seem to have been pretty honest.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 4, 2017 13:42:27 GMT -5
Pixonic hasn't done outright Pay-2-Win yet. I'll give the Devs the-benafit-of-the-doubt. Any mistakes I've seen so far seem to have been pretty honest. When I started gaming the machines took quarters...The best guys played a lot of quarters before they become the best.They had to pay to win... I am not sure where this logic holds that pay to win is somehow the red line that if crossed the sky rains hammers...As much as free to play is a necessary component, like test driving a car, at some point somebody gotta pay for a car. I am not challenging you on what you said, you are correct. I am simply musing about the Pay to Win ironica.
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Post by phoenix232 on Mar 4, 2017 14:06:51 GMT -5
So it's a fujin, with more HP, more speed, and dash? Fujin gets a drawback for its energy shield, while this gets a second ability. Wow. This is absolutely the most outrageous, OP bot I have ever seen. If this makes it to live.. GG.
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Post by Demosthenes on Mar 4, 2017 14:12:05 GMT -5
I think this 'bot could help game balance by shifting the game to more plasma use vs splash weapons, which would be a boost for the shield 'bots.
Note to self: level-up two more tarans.
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Post by notyetnotsosoon on Mar 4, 2017 14:15:29 GMT -5
Pixonic hasn't done outright Pay-2-Win yet. I'll give the Devs the-benafit-of-the-doubt. Any mistakes I've seen so far seem to have been pretty honest. When I started gaming the machines took quarters...The best guys played a lot of quarters before they become the best.They had to pay to win... I am not sure where this logic holds that pay to win is somehow the red line that if crossed the sky rains hammers...As much as free to play is a necessary component, like test driving a car, at some point somebody gotta pay for a car. I am not challenging you on what you said, you are correct. I am simply musing about the Pay to Win ironica. Again, stop it with the "Free" to play red herring: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/41746/thread
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 14:21:59 GMT -5
Didn't the new MM and leagues create power creep in some ways?
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Post by shivaswrath on Mar 4, 2017 16:05:40 GMT -5
I think it was good...Wasn't great. Wont make your hangar obsolete.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 4, 2017 16:13:29 GMT -5
This thing looks so OP...
I want one! However, if everyone had them it would be out of hand.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 4, 2017 17:19:19 GMT -5
I love these bots, and yes, they need a serious smack with the nerf bat!
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 4, 2017 17:43:41 GMT -5
This bot makes the Griffin obsolete and every single other bot. All bots will die except maybe Lancelot. Griffins, Carnage, and Galahad will also be torn apart. Three medium hardpoints on a bot that fast and evasive (with a shield ffs) is overwhelming. Tridents can't touch it. It's basically a super-fast and evasive fujin with a shield that's always on. Ugg, now i wish my Fujin had Dash ability and an always on shield. I'd way rather have Dash on a Griffin than the current Jump ability.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Mar 4, 2017 17:45:34 GMT -5
The Gepard was Pixonics cash cow. Now that it has been nerfed into obsolescence and the Wild West bots arent catching on, they need something else to draw in the revenue. I am sure if its released it will be a gold robot no doubt. My guess it will become the "New Gepard" of the game, will see full hangars of them, people will complain and Pix will keep selling them, with subtle nerfs until they have another bot in the wings and then the process will repeat itself all over again.. My 2 cents..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 17:52:34 GMT -5
This bot makes the Griffin obsolete and every single other bot. All bots will die except maybe Lancelot. Griffins, Carnage, and Galahad will also be torn apart. Three medium hardpoints on a bot that fast and evasive (with a shield ffs) is overwhelming. Tridents can't touch it. It's basically a super-fast and evasive fujin with a shield that's always on. Ugg, now i wish my Fujin had Dash ability and an always on shield. I'd way rather have Dash on a Griffin than the current Jump ability. If this OP thing makes it live, then I can predict an increase of Zeus Furies.
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Post by Pateras on Mar 4, 2017 17:54:27 GMT -5
Im geting this bot when it comes out if it just like it is now i even get it if i wont have a shield.
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 4, 2017 17:57:36 GMT -5
This bot makes the Griffin obsolete and every single other bot. All bots will die except maybe Lancelot. Griffins, Carnage, and Galahad will also be torn apart. Three medium hardpoints on a bot that fast and evasive (with a shield ffs) is overwhelming. Tridents can't touch it. It's basically a super-fast and evasive fujin with a shield that's always on. Ugg, now i wish my Fujin had Dash ability and an always on shield. I'd way rather have Dash on a Griffin than the current Jump ability. This bot won't obsolete griffs carnages or galahads. I played test server for 3 solid hours today and I can tell you plasmahad and plasma griffs kill it dead as do Zeus on either a carnage or fury. With that said Dash Mk2 will tame down the over abundance of tridents in TT which is definitely a good thing imho.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 4, 2017 18:03:15 GMT -5
Grimsunder I played for a while on the test server and my triple orkan dashbot ripped apart plasmahad. Plasma-Testbot obsoleted Carnages. I would never use a plasma griff if I had a plasma Test-bot, so yeah its obsolete too.
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 4, 2017 19:44:32 GMT -5
Grimsunder I played for a while on the test server and my triple orkan dashbot ripped apart plasmahad. Plasma-Testbot obsoleted Carnages. I would never use a plasma griff if I had a plasma Test-bot, so yeah its obsolete too. I killed many dash bot tho mostly plasma ones with a plasmahad. Didn't see many ork setups since they are not real good against dash bot. Zeus carnage is very good as is Zeus fury against dash bot. Plasma Griff has the ability to jump over objects not only to escape but to surprise attack as well. That alone makes it a keeper. Maybe time will prove me wrong but I doubt it.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 4, 2017 20:00:11 GMT -5
The Dash Mk2 is a lot of fun to play, and it can be deadly, but it's not indestructible. It actually feels a tad squishy if you get cocky or careless; you don't get many errors. To me, Galahad or Griff is more forgiving. The best countermeasure to the Dash bot, in one word: Gareth.
Edit: one pilot ran Dash with 2 ECU shields, and that was tough to kill...
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Post by ewing411 on Mar 4, 2017 20:57:24 GMT -5
Pixonic hasn't done outright Pay-2-Win yet. I'll give the Devs the-benafit-of-the-doubt. Any mistakes I've seen so far seem to have been pretty honest. When I started gaming the machines took quarters...The best guys played a lot of quarters before they become the best.They had to pay to win... I am not sure where this logic holds that pay to win is somehow the red line that if crossed the sky rains hammers...As much as free to play is a necessary component, like test driving a car, at some point somebody gotta pay for a car. I am not challenging you on what you said, you are correct. I am simply musing about the Pay to Win ironica. As a kid I celebrated part of my birthday by going into town with a pile of quarters and best friend. We'd hit up one of the arcade machines in the restraints/pizzerias that catered to the college students. Then play a game through its entire story. Didn't get a personal gaming system until the SEGA Master System after mowing enough lawns. It has been one hell of a ride from that to a networked wireless device that can globally game at any time of the day. With that in mind even when micro transactions were first discussed and became a reality I'm pretty sure all seasoned video gamers knew there were going to be risks. Originally I avoided all games that had a "premium currency" since every developer out there seemed to based their business model out of forcing spending rather than compelling it. Batman: Arkham Asylam by Turbine is a good example of one where nothing can be done in late game without nickel-and-diming your way through it (or baby sitting your game for 16 hours a day). Others tried subscriptions like Elder Scrolls Online. They had to go to an optional micro transaction model or face extinction. Even Eve Online which was able to stay subscription for over ten years made the change since their client base wasn't keeping up with the world population (they were actually losing gamer market share). To use your test drive anology, after trying out War Robots I bought the Gepard and Au pack because $10 was a decent deal for the gaming experience. It didn't feel forced at all even though both are actually pretty important early on. To me it was a $10 game that came with a Gepard and Au allowance daily. A game that I wouldn't have tried out for $10 on an unknown. Offerings where someone feels like they are shopping is the way to make profit in a healthy way. Pay-to-win feels more like trying a free supermarket sample only to be told that I now need to buy the antidote or suffer three days of diarrhea. In the spirit of your "P2W Ironica Musing," I've actually done the completed purchase for bonus Ag/Exp to see how that would effect the game. It certainly speed both up and it was interesting from an experimental point of view. Unfortunately for Pixonic now that I have an idea how much Ag it is worth the dollar amount on upgrades above level 9 are silly expensive. I brew my own coffee instead of going to Starbucks. Considering where we are in this digital age I'm really surprised that these tech savvy businesses haven't embraced modern ideas like flash-sales or how few seem to even try good-old-sales. I was going to go on with the my thoughts on what happened with some other games but this wall of text has exceeded my comfort zone. Thank you for the stimulating thoughts Rock.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Mar 4, 2017 22:04:56 GMT -5
I think Dash should be retroactive to all the older Jump bots by dragging the Jump button instead of tapping it. Obviously, Griffin wouldn't go far, but Cossack and Rogatka should be great at it. Instead, I'd be glad to shell out $50 for Butch. Not $100. Same thing for Jesse; I'd pay $10-$15, not $30.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Mar 5, 2017 0:08:05 GMT -5
"Prototype Dash Mk2"
This thing is... yeah, just OP. If it's released into the wild (live server) it will have to be for a premium currency, which so far has been only for one-armed bandit (slot machine) pulls. Given that Pixo has yet to bother releasing their under-powered and over-hyped Wild West Bunch for Au, I'm not holding my breath for anything.
So by my numbers... (Light +1 Medium +2 Heavy +3)
Dash2: Medium Frame +2 Dash +1 Ancile +1 Medium Hard Point (+2)*3[6] 12
Carnage: Medium Frame +2 Rush +1 Ancile +1 Heavy Hard Point (+3)*2[6] 12
It's not that over-powered... depends on how you use it. My problem is that it's an easy button, and on top of it only whales will be able to buy enough 'chances' to get one. Meet the new TMGepard, Medium version, ala Jesse and Doc. (no offense to those lucky few that got lucky)
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Post by Feezou on Mar 5, 2017 0:09:05 GMT -5
When I was testing the bot, that was the exact thing I was thinking.
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