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Post by amidf on Mar 3, 2017 19:16:48 GMT -5
amidf no I don't get it. I play on a high speed fiber optic network from home with the newest equipment available on an iPad for iOS. Haven't had a disconnect in over a year. Granted I'm only Expert League I and equipment is constantly being upgraded, well as fast as time allows at my level. Which is a combination of days and hours plus large amounts of silver. And am moving up in Android from where initially placed only 21 from popping to next level. So no I don't get it. Hey old guy, Sorry, I wasn't (meaning to be) directly replying to you. More of a general response to people in the thread. One had complained he loses league points to disconnects. I am in Diamond 3 on iOS near the top of the bracket. I'm in no hurry to get the additional gold. I pay little attention to league points. As I upgrade I expect I'll get there but I don't want to push up early. -Amid
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 4, 2017 1:26:00 GMT -5
I think my experience is counter to the overall forum, but I find great matchups when i play solo for the most part in the new system. Very even hangar levels to mine. I run 8/8-9 bots, and my comp is usually anywhere from 7/7's to 9/10's. I have not run into all of the beacon ignoring that others are seeing either. When i squad in clans, most of my clan outguns me, so that's when i take the beatdowns for finishing low on damage. Just my observations. I do wish everyone was getting the level matchups that I get. Agree with this. I play solo, and have found myself in some really excellent matchups as of late. I even went from Silver III to II tonight. Team playing hard on both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 18:21:46 GMT -5
Thumpmonkey1 just for you here is an example of what I am saying. Lucky to only lose 4 on this one. Fortunately one tanker and a couple of players behind me on this one.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 4, 2017 18:33:01 GMT -5
Oh, I know sometimes it doesn't work out no matter how well you do - but I'm not saying the occasional -20 doesn't happen. I'm saying if it's happening often to you then you are probably ranked too high. I'd bet you don't see many -20 for 1 mil damage... And you were also unlucky not to get +7, being only 22k away from top damage.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 4, 2017 19:32:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Gold Division...
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 4, 2017 19:54:33 GMT -5
Still earning more cups than losing. Still not focusing on damage.
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Post by ewing411 on Mar 5, 2017 0:12:08 GMT -5
@heavypanda yes it is bad, it hurts so bad.? What I like so much about Heavypanda's statement is it sounds so mentally healthy. Like two bloody boxers being able to shake mits after some crazy grudge match. I'll never feel that way. Prior I didn't give a dam about KDR or W/L. Yet League standings and rewards have done a bang-up job of changing my attitude for the worse.
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Post by heap on Mar 5, 2017 6:46:39 GMT -5
I have personally seen the new system as being all over the place. . . I am a Maxxed out player, 11 bots lvl 12 and I end up in matches where I am facing bots lvl 2-4, and some where my bots are simply shred in 2 seconds. . . Nearly every time I have been top slot on the losing team I lose 7-10 points. Yes, you read that right. I Record all of my battles and do a ton of testing for my clanmates. I am not sure how this is supposed to be beneficial, earlier tonight my entire team was stacked with silver league players and the other squad are all masters, elites and above. The support team said this was to offer a challenge. . . . Umm what challenge? I have also, see polar opposite, battle was over in 2 minutes. . . Would add pics but don't know how.
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Post by Crimson Blade on Mar 5, 2017 7:32:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I've noticed that too I lost eight battles in a row, only to win one and then lose seven more My win percentage went down from like 72% to 56% I thought Pix was going to fix this rubbish matchmaking. Pixonic?
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Post by hyderier on Mar 5, 2017 8:04:05 GMT -5
I tell you something, have a bad team and a bad game and your down 20. Kinda sucks. I don't mean to be rude, but if you have a bad team, and still get -20, what does that say about your tactics or skill? -20 usually comes from external reasons like connection probs (which sucks), or from having a *good* team but still losing (because if everyone is equally good, with equal hangars, someone is still going to get that -20).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 8:09:46 GMT -5
I tell you something, have a bad team and a bad game and your down 20. Kinda sucks. I don't mean to be rude, but if you have a bad team, and still get -20, what does that say about your tactics or skill? -20 usually comes from external reasons like connection probs (which sucks), or from having a *good* team but still losing (because if everyone is equally good, with equal hangars, someone is still going to get that -20). I forgive you for not reading through this whole thread yet and being selective in what you reply to. You will see as you read along the following statement from me. Not always true, sometimes no matter how hard you try, it just doesn't work out. I sincerely doubt that my Galahad and 4 heavies could ever be considered beacon cappers. You know the old saying, poo poo happens. I have also scored 7 kills 700k plus damage 2 or 3 beacons and be last on a losing team.
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Post by Paps on Mar 5, 2017 8:11:56 GMT -5
I think the operative terms there are bad team and bad game.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 5, 2017 11:57:01 GMT -5
I played solo and clan squad today and the matches were all pretty good. I leveled up to Expert 2...played solo to max out point on the climb up and then went squad to stay above 3500.
My matches were the typical mix of master, expert and diamond....a couple had Champion players in them. It didn't seem like the solo matchups were any different, but I played them differently - I tried to inflict as much damage as possible and take beacons where I could when 4 of us dropped Furys to start on a map (took a couple of beacons with my trident fury on Dead City and springfield). When I was in squad, I knew that my clan guys would drop gals or Gary's for beacon capping as that is what they like to do while I like pounding reds from MR.
The other thing is the quality of players is much better these days with league play....only 1 arty nat guy in 3 days of matches. Everyone else is trying pretty hard to win and kill reds.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 5, 2017 12:19:37 GMT -5
The other thing is the quality of players is much better these days with league play....only 1 arty nat guy in 3 days of matches. Everyone else is trying pretty hard to win and kill reds. Edited: Because I'm a moron. Sorry, boomsplat.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 5, 2017 15:51:59 GMT -5
The other thing is the quality of players is much better these days with league play....only 1 arty nat guy in 3 days of matches. Everyone else is trying pretty hard to win and kill reds. What's wrong with direct fire support? I knock huge chunks off opponents that my teammates can exploit and finish those trying to get away. It's admittedly not much good on the smaller knifer maps but give me some range and a good position and I'll take very good care of my teammates even if I don't score big. It's all in where, how and the user not the equipment. Equipment doesn't know how to be used improperly. Ask any soldier. If you are seriously asking the question, then I would point you to the countless threads already on this subject of indirect fire support with zenits and noricums. If you are doing awesome in Expert, master and champion league (as that is where I framed my response) with an arty nat in your line up....please post. if you are trolling, sorry...not going to bother.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 5, 2017 17:39:24 GMT -5
What's wrong with direct fire support? I knock huge chunks off opponents that my teammates can exploit and finish those trying to get away. It's admittedly not much good on the smaller knifer maps but give me some range and a good position and I'll take very good care of my teammates even if I don't score big. It's all in where, how and the user not the equipment. Equipment doesn't know how to be used improperly. Ask any soldier. If you are seriously asking the question, then I would point you to the countless threads already on this subject of indirect fire support with zenits and noricums. If you are doing awesome in Expert, master and champion league (as that is where I framed my response) with an arty nat in your line up....please post. if you are trolling, sorry...not going to bother. Nope, that was my bad to the friggin' bone. Had a huge brainfart. I did not compute the arty part of your statement and completely mistook the meaning. I was referring to big guns whereas you are referring to indirect missile boats. You have quite rightly pointed out my stupidity in making my statement and I apologize profusely for my brainfart. Sorry.?
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 5, 2017 19:58:36 GMT -5
If you are seriously asking the question, then I would point you to the countless threads already on this subject of indirect fire support with zenits and noricums. If you are doing awesome in Expert, master and champion league (as that is where I framed my response) with an arty nat in your line up....please post. if you are trolling, sorry...not going to bother. Nope, that was my bad to the friggin' bone. Had a huge brainfart. I did not compute the arty part of your statement and completely mistook the meaning. I was referring to big guns whereas you are referring to indirect missile boats. You have quite rightly pointed out my stupidity in making my statement and I apologize profusely for my brainfart. Sorry.? No problem. I was a little confused and didn't want to take this thread into a weird direction.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 7, 2017 2:56:50 GMT -5
You do realize how bad you have to play to be the worst player on the losing team. If that happens frequently enough that you complain about it, you don't belong in a higher tier, and you're getting knocked back down to where you fit skillwise. That's the point of a matchmaker, to keep you in a spot where the matches will be balanced. Not just move up forever no matter what.
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Post by Pateras on Mar 7, 2017 3:05:21 GMT -5
You do realize how bad you have to play to be the worst player on the losing team. If that happens frequently enough that you complain about it, you don't belong in a higher tier, and you're getting knocked back down to where you fit skillwise. That's the point of a matchmaker, to keep you in a spot where the matches will be balanced. Not just move up forever no matter what. You can get disconnected and get -20 for that.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 7, 2017 3:10:27 GMT -5
You do realize how bad you have to play to be the worst player on the losing team. If that happens frequently enough that you complain about it, you don't belong in a higher tier, and you're getting knocked back down to where you fit skillwise. That's the point of a matchmaker, to keep you in a spot where the matches will be balanced. Not just move up forever no matter what. You can get disconnected and get -20 for that. If that's happening often, you should be complaining to your ISP, not the game developers. They have no control over your connection.
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Post by Heishiro on Mar 7, 2017 3:38:59 GMT -5
i still do believe that PX is manipulating the win percent. last night i went 58% and MM start to punish me and drag me to 50% this afternoon games it was hilarious all 3 games 1 sided. all reds are dumb and stup*d. they cant even kill my plasma gareth and i still end up 3rd in damage + beacon. as theory before everyone will be dragged to tougher match if your win rate goes high.
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Post by zr on Mar 7, 2017 8:25:34 GMT -5
I understand how people feel. I came up from silver 3, battled up to ranking 38 in silver 2. I did it the hard way, I don,t have the weapons level to get the first 2 slots for damage. The best I finish is 3,4,5,6 So some people are saying if you get -20 cups on the losing side you are in the wrong league? I just did it 2 times in a row, had to really close games, could of gone either way. Now I,m ranked 76, Guess I will just Tank back to Bronze league where I belong
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Post by amidf on Mar 7, 2017 10:02:38 GMT -5
I understand how people feel. I came up from silver 3, battled up to ranking 38 in silver 2. I did it the hard way, I don,t have the weapons level to get the first 2 slots for damage. The best I finish is 3,4,5,6 So some people are saying if you get -20 cups on the losing side you are in the wrong league? I just did it 2 times in a row, had to really close games, could of gone either way. Now I,m ranked 76, Guess I will just Tank back to Bronze league where I belong "If that happens frequently enough that you complain about it...."
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Post by miatahead on Mar 7, 2017 13:34:30 GMT -5
Yes, 1 bad loss is 2 steps backwards. The system is specifically designed this way. But I've pretty much only run solo since league started and have moved up 2 tiers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 13:44:06 GMT -5
Look at clan recruitment, they aint havin it easy either.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 7, 2017 14:44:00 GMT -5
Totally agree it should be 20, 13, 7, 7, 7, 4 for winning and 0 , -4, -7, -7, -7, -13 for losing or something like that so you wont get anything for losing if your on the top but wont lose to much point for being on the bottom. The point totals in the current system match each other, +39, and -39. If the award amounts are changed, I suspect Pix would still need them to balance out. Everyone keeps taking the -20's personal. It's not that bad of a thing. Explain please how -20 is a good thing then. When you go down with a loss and 6 beacons, and lose your hyde like this, exactly how is this not a personal issue?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 14:55:16 GMT -5
It's good for the system whatttupG. You need the -20's in the system. Otherwise, as I stated before, everyone qualifies for Legends League in about 60-90 days. I know it is not fun for you when it's your turn to bite the bullet, but we all gotta take a ride on the hurt-bus every now and then.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 7, 2017 15:42:11 GMT -5
I have to finish first or second to consistently get anywhere? Great system. Forget the hurt-bus, this approach is straight from the short bus.
Whoever designed this point system is clearly familiar with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 15:51:57 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. You win some matches too, right? You get points everytime you win, no matter what. Then, if you lose, you still have a 50% chance of either GAINING points, or only losing 4 points. The only way you really start falling back, is if you are one of the least productive damage dealers on the losing team. If this is happening repeatedly, then the league will try to drop you down to find a playgroup where you have a better shot at finishing top 3.
This seems to make sense to me. The League does not want you playing against competition that is too strong for you. That is why the -20s and -15s exist. I am genuinely sorry that it does not work well for you. I guess we agree to disagree. Cheers, friend.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 7, 2017 16:18:04 GMT -5
Five 5th place wins equals one 5th place loss... if you feel that's great as is, they yeah we see this totally differently.
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