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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 26, 2017 2:39:29 GMT -5
Could the moderators please stop making off topic remarks then hide behind the ban stick. I gladly took that pm since my vote was misused and had no choice but to comment.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 26, 2017 2:50:15 GMT -5
There are around: 19 who think tanking is cheating 47 who think tanking is not cheating but think that it is dishonorable 21 who think tanking is not cheating There are 66 not in favor of tanking vs 21 who are in favor of tanking. So for those who think that 80% of the forum supports tanking, it's actually a bit less than 25%. And Pixo is working on a solution to the problem, they have stated before that they are looking into penalties for quitting too frequently. Once again, keep this discussion to the above stated rules only. Any further discourse will net you one strike. Thats 68 to19 that dont think its cheating. Being one of the 47 that think its dishonorable please don't group me with the ones that think its cheating as they are totally different views. I'm so glad pix is aware of the problem.....lol. I'm sure they will be aware of it for a lot of years before anything if anything ever gets done about it. What he's talking about. The reason why I grouped you in there was because both of those groups do not support tanking, which is exactly what I mentioned. It's not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension and decided to ignore my last statement where I specifically stated that I would be giving out strikes if the off topic conversation continued. |
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 26, 2017 2:50:39 GMT -5
I read it just fine. U made a point that included me. And hid behind the ban stick. I do respect the moderators, have been reading this forum for almost a year. It took the recent mm change to make me start to comment. I'm fine with getting the pm. I do deserve it for breaking forum rules. I just don't like the circumstances that led up to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 2:51:57 GMT -5
Mods and admins should hold themselves to a little higher standard. On many forums they do. They also check their bias, opinions, responses, and even amount of direct participation.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 26, 2017 3:13:28 GMT -5
I read it just fine. U made a point that included me. And hid behind the ban stick. I do respect the moderators, have been reading this forum for almost a year. It took the recent mm change to make me start to comment. I'm fine with getting the pm. I do deserve it for breaking forum rules. I just don't like the circumstances that led up to it. You could have just PMed me instead of commenting on that thread. In regards to your claim of me hiding behind a ban stick, I wanted to stop the conversation before the thread went off topic, which is why I did not delete your reply and/or make an effort to defend myself until you made this thread. And quite frankly, thinking that tanking is dishonorable means that you do not support tanking. Thinking that tanking is cheating also means that you do not support tanking. Please explain why I shouldn't say that 66 people do not support tanking. |
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 26, 2017 3:29:23 GMT -5
I read it just fine. U made a point that included me. And hid behind the ban stick. I do respect the moderators, have been reading this forum for almost a year. It took the recent mm change to make me start to comment. I'm fine with getting the pm. I do deserve it for breaking forum rules. I just don't like the circumstances that led up to it. You could have just PMed me instead of commenting on that thread. In regards to your claim of me hiding behind a ban stick, I wanted to stop the conversation before the thread went off topic, which is why I did not delete your reply and/or make an effort to defend myself until you made this thread. And quite frankly, thinking that tanking is dishonorable means that you do not support tanking. Thinking that tanking is cheating also means that you do not support tanking. Please explain why I shouldn't say that 66 people do not support tanking. While I don't support tanking, its not cheating, but it is like it or not part of the game now. This new mm and league is modelled on what coc uses, guess what? Tanking has gone on for years there. It's a real moneymaker for coc. I'm the first to say learn to adjust stop talking about mm and tanking because sadly its not going away. All we will hear is "pix is aware of the problem" and laugh all the way to the bank. Had you in your comment just told people to stay on topic or get a pm I wouldn't have commented. |
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Post by Strayed on Feb 26, 2017 3:36:19 GMT -5
I guess we kinda agree now? Or should we agree to disagree?
I also think that it will take a long time for pix to fix the tanking problem.
Could you explain in more detail how it's a moneymaker, though? Just curious.
Agree there, just putting out my reasons for doing so.
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 26, 2017 4:09:06 GMT -5
More chaos in the game with TT sealclubbing the more people are inclined to spend money to upgrade. This is a formula used by supercell with coc. And it works look at how much coc rakes in. To explain more please watch this short YouTube
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 26, 2017 5:04:01 GMT -5
Mods and admins should hold themselves to a little higher standard. On many forums they do. They also check their bias, opinions, responses, and even amount of direct participation. Just because they are admin, doesn't mean they lose the right to have an opinion. Neither does it mean they lose there freedom of speech. Personally, I prefer to have admin act a little more like people, and less robotic. |
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Post by SuperHero on Feb 26, 2017 6:32:00 GMT -5
Mods and admins should hold themselves to a little higher standard. On many forums they do. They also check their bias, opinions, responses, and even amount of direct participation. In general, I completely agree with you. However it doesn't negate the mod or admin's right to have an opinion. However, I also agree that at no time should that opinion affect the mod or admin's ability to do his job in a neutral and unbiased fashion. That being said, we are also human and if you start unfairly insulting us or making it personal, it would be unsurprising to see one mod protect another. But even if a mod or admin is butthurt, they should never abuse their power. We have previously removed mods who were unable to do so. |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 26, 2017 10:43:19 GMT -5
Glad to see you hitting your stride once again, Super-Hero ^_^ I wuz wondering what happened to the chief mucky-muck... For the rest of us, this is a perfect example of why you should just PM a Mod if you think you've been wrongly handled. They are human too, it's not fair to uphold them to standards that even the American Supreme Court can't live up to. I'd go on, but then some troll will invariably accuse me of asskissing because I put myself up for mod-status. www.youtube.com/user/ExtraCreditzLove this guy! All avid gamers should watch some Extra Credits videos. He speaks from a mostly neutral standpoint, and is pretty good at pointing out grey areas in controversial topics. If you've ever wondered how there could be soooo many crappy mobile games out there, he's got some clue-bricks for ya... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 11:00:13 GMT -5
Mods and admins should hold themselves to a little higher standard. On many forums they do. They also check their bias, opinions, responses, and even amount of direct participation. In general, I completely agree with you. However it doesn't negate the mod or admin's right to have an opinion. However, I also agree that at no time should that opinion affect the mod or admin's ability to do his job in a neutral and unbiased fashion. That being said, we are also human and if you start unfairly insulting us or making it personal, it would be unsurprising to see one mod protect another. But even if a mod or admin is butthurt, they should never abuse their power. We have previously removed mods who were unable to do so. Completely agree with that. I find that mod/admin - user interaction in this forum lacking, but they have done a good job at doing their intent. |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 26, 2017 11:27:16 GMT -5
Could the moderators please stop making off topic remarks then hide behind the ban stick. I gladly took that pm since my vote was misused and had no choice but to comment. Be forewarned. I'm apparently in the running ... Or at least was nominated for moderator. Be assured if I reach this seat of power. I will use all my authority and limitless power to make off topic remarks and hide behind my ban stick. I'm gonna ban folks for lookin ugly. I'm gonna ban folks for beating me at War Robots.. I'm gonna ban dredd77 just to flaunt my power, then un-ban him as a shoe of mercy so he will see I can be a generous and kind God-King Moderator. I might even ban myself. They gonna call me the Hulk... As in Bruce Banner.. BANNER?!?! |
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 27, 2017 0:28:00 GMT -5
Mods and admins should hold themselves to a little higher standard. On many forums they do. They also check their bias, opinions, responses, and even amount of direct participation. Just because they are admin, doesn't mean they lose the right to have an opinion. Neither does it mean they lose there freedom of speech. Personally, I prefer to have admin act a little more like people, and less robotic. There is no "freedom of speech" here. Participation on this forum is a privilege not a right. The powers that be have made that abundantly clear. |
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Feb 27, 2017 1:17:52 GMT -5
Just because they are admin, doesn't mean they lose the right to have an opinion. Neither does it mean they lose there freedom of speech. Personally, I prefer to have admin act a little more like people, and less robotic. There is no "freedom of speech" here. Participation on this forum is a privilege not a right. The powers that be have made that abundantly clear. There is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and health of the forum. Both are equally important and to neglect one would be to sacrifice either the quality or authenticity of discussion on these boards. We would turn into Facebook and lose the essence of what makes this forum unique. I'm all for freedom of speech. If I had everything my way I wouldn't touch anything on here. But sometimes the health of the forum has to come first and we all have to make compromises for the long-term success of this site as a place for War Robots fans to gather and share ideas. |
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Post by SuperHero on Feb 27, 2017 2:35:59 GMT -5
I'm beginning to feel like that Asian dude shouting down protesters who decided that the best place to protest was the library.... ?
Freedom of speech is a right. But that right is not universal. The right is revoked even in real life if you disturb the peace or what you are doing becomes detrimental to the health and wellness of the larger body.
There are places, avenues and limits to such freedoms.
Like those protesters have the Right to protest. But there are certain places and ways that are acceptable to do it. You have the freedom within limits, just like in real life. But once you disturb the neighbourhood, the cops come and tell you to tone it down,
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 27, 2017 2:44:07 GMT -5
I'm glad that this thread didn't turn into a flamewar. Kudos to all that put input into this thread. My intention originally was to point out a problem I've noticed before, it was never intended to finger point at any moderators, which is why I never brought up Strayed to start with. Moderators are human and make mistakes. Yes it took me a pm to make this thread. I dont blame anyone for getting it, and wasn't interested in getting it changed or recinded. I simply wanted a change in how moderators were bringing up off topic subjects then including the banstick in statement. From my point of view i had to reply or i wouldnt sleep nights...lol, because to me it felt a little like entrapment. I'm satisfied that this objective has been achieved and hope everyone moves forward in making this game and forum better for everyone.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 27, 2017 3:09:29 GMT -5
I'm beginning to feel like that Asian dude shouting down protesters who decided that the best place to protest was the library.... ? Freedom of speech is a right. But that right is not universal. The right is revoked even in real life if you disturb the peace or what you are doing becomes detrimental to the health and wellness of the larger body. There are places, avenues and limits to such freedoms. Like those protesters have the Right to protest. But there are certain places and ways that are acceptable to do it. You have the freedom within limits, just like in real life. But once you disturb the neighbourhood, the cops come and tell you to tone it down, Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! This is library. |
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 27, 2017 3:56:25 GMT -5
I'm beginning to feel like that Asian dude shouting down protesters who decided that the best place to protest was the library.... ? Freedom of speech is a right. But that right is not universal. The right is revoked even in real life if you disturb the peace or what you are doing becomes detrimental to the health and wellness of the larger body. There are places, avenues and limits to such freedoms. Like those protesters have the Right to protest. But there are certain places and ways that are acceptable to do it. You have the freedom within limits, just like in real life. But once you disturb the neighbourhood, the cops come and tell you to tone it down, Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! This is library. I love that video |
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Post by 6pack on Feb 27, 2017 15:27:47 GMT -5
Thats 68 to19 that dont think its cheating. Being one of the 47 that think its dishonorable please don't group me with the ones that think its cheating as they are totally different views. I'm so glad pix is aware of the problem.....lol. I'm sure they will be aware of it for a lot of years before anything if anything ever gets done about it. What he's talking about. The reason why I grouped you in there was because both of those groups do not support tanking, which is exactly what I mentioned. It's not my fault that you have poor reading comprehension and decided to ignore my last statement where I specifically stated that I would be giving out strikes if the off topic conversation continued. It seems that you are mixing two results in favor of something that was not in the original post regarding “Is Tanking Cheating”. Even though you split the “No” vote, ~80% of those who responded said it WAS NOT cheating. I don’t consider it cheating and I neither support it nor condemn it. It is an effect of the current game configuration. Also, there is a difference between being “Dishonest” and being “Dishonorable”. One is being a cheat; the other is a subjective term and its already been established tanking is not cheating. However, if you are going to give him a warning, please be sure to add one for yourself. It would appear to me that your comment calling into question his reading ability was insulting. As per the Code of Conduct, that is something that merits a moderate ban of one month. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 27, 2017 15:46:42 GMT -5
6pack If you found Strayed'a comment genuinely offensive, I would encourage you to report the post. Otherwise, you're just mini-modding.
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Post by 6pack on Feb 27, 2017 15:58:15 GMT -5
6pack If you found Strayed 'a comment genuinely offensive, I would encourage you to report the post. Otherwise, you're just mini-modding. I’m sorry. I thought this thread was specifically titled “Bad Moderation” and therefore enabled discussion on said moderation. My attempt was simply to show an example to support the OP’s claim. Perhaps you could add a list of definitions to the code of conduct that defines “Mini-Modding” as there seems to be a lot of different thoughts on the matter. After all, most list of rules have a “Definitions” section to ensure everyone is on the same page. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 16:10:11 GMT -5
I think the rules are fairly straightforward. Respect the intent of this forum to improve a players game experience. Don't demean anyone for their opinion. You want to let off steam post a rant. No threatening posts that describe bodily harm to a member or explicit sexual content. Filters will catch bad words (cussing). Mod's will handle the rest.
And Mod's have just as much right to speak their mind and be snarky, provide a chuckle and their game experience as anyone else here. They are just like the rest of us who have an interest in the game or they wouldn't be here. Doing a sometimes thankless job keeping the hooligans in line so the rest can enjoy the forum.
Are they perfect, no, but show me someone who is.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 27, 2017 16:19:35 GMT -5
On the topic of moderation.
The most recent time my warning level was raised (14 hours ago), I did not receive a PM from whomever raised it. Nor did I receive a reason or link to a specific post that caused the warning to be issued.
Without any information on the Warning, I don't know how I ran afoul of the rules or how to improve. Please do a better job communicating with rule breakers.
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 27, 2017 16:20:06 GMT -5
6pack If you found Strayed 'a comment genuinely offensive, I would encourage you to report the post. Otherwise, you're just mini-modding. I’m sorry. I thought this thread was specifically titled “Bad Moderation” and therefore enabled discussion on said moderation. My attempt was simply to show an example to support the OP’s claim. Perhaps you could add a list of definitions to the code of conduct that defines “Mini-Modding” as there seems to be a lot of different thoughts on the matter. After all, most list of rules have a “Definitions” section to ensure everyone is on the same page. Oy, take off the martyr's cap, son. Nobody's telling you what you can and can't discuss. But I also have the same right as you to comment. As for clarifying the rules, happy to look into that for you if you find them unclear, confusing, or ambiguous. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 27, 2017 16:21:03 GMT -5
On the topic of moderation. The most recent time my warning level was raised, I did not receive a PM from whomever raised it. Nor did I receive a reason or link to a specific post that caused the warning to be issued. Without any information on the Warning, I don't know how I ran afoul of the rules or how to improve. Please do a better job communicating with rule breakers. Absolutely fair. |
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Post by 6pack on Feb 27, 2017 17:18:52 GMT -5
I’m sorry. I thought this thread was specifically titled “Bad Moderation” and therefore enabled discussion on said moderation. My attempt was simply to show an example to support the OP’s claim. Perhaps you could add a list of definitions to the code of conduct that defines “Mini-Modding” as there seems to be a lot of different thoughts on the matter. After all, most list of rules have a “Definitions” section to ensure everyone is on the same page. Oy, take off the martyr's cap, son. Nobody's telling you what you can and can't discuss. But I also have the same right as you to comment. As for clarifying the rules, happy to look into that for you if you find them unclear, confusing, or ambiguous. *sigh* – I make a respectful (imho) post, then you call me out for possibly “Mini-Modding”. I then post an apology, state my reason, and respectfully offer an option for clarifying the rules for which I am then called out for wearing a “Martyr's Cap”? As for the rules, that would be great. May I ask your opinion then on whether someone (especially a mod) calling into questions someones reading skills is considered insulting? |
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Post by Strayed on Feb 27, 2017 17:27:22 GMT -5
On the topic of moderation. The most recent time my warning level was raised (14 hours ago), I did not receive a PM from whomever raised it. Nor did I receive a reason or link to a specific post that caused the warning to be issued. Without any information on the Warning, I don't know how I ran afoul of the rules or how to improve. Please do a better job communicating with rule breakers. Sorry, was correcting a value from before, you had already received a strike on the rules announcement thread, but your value was 15% instead of 50%. I corrrected that mistake. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 27, 2017 17:31:38 GMT -5
As for the rules, that would be great. May I ask your opinion then on whether someone (especially a mod) calling into questions someones reading skills is considered insulting? To me, it's below the actionable threshold. We let tons and tons of stuff go because it's under the actionable threshold. If we implemented a fundamentalist interpretation of the rules, parsing every thread and post for the slightest transgression this would not be a place most anyone would want to visit. It's a judgment call to be sure, but evaluating action and context, there's mine. |
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Post by lockslywr on Feb 27, 2017 19:08:17 GMT -5
Just because they are admin, doesn't mean they lose the right to have an opinion. Neither does it mean they lose there freedom of speech. Personally, I prefer to have admin act a little more like people, and less robotic. There is no "freedom of speech" here. Participation on this forum is a privilege not a right. The powers that be have made that abundantly clear. I am new here. I have been watching this little wiki site for over a year. I would have to give a solid 10/10 to this reference of rights and privileges. There always seems to be an underlying menace directed at those who wish to express an opinion outside those of the mods and administrators. Do I have proof? I could go track down dozens of interactions that I have witnessed but quite frankly don't have the time nor inclination to do so. Probably it is just better for me to say that I have been reluctant to join your happy little group for just that reason. Plainly said. You all give off a vibe of people who are deep into Pixonic's pockets and use the threat of banning people if they make you look bad to the Pixonic people. I hope this helps :-) |
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