Post by ezekielcrow on Mar 5, 2018 12:38:25 GMT -5
Ode to Pixos tanker strategy
I once joined this game, Doe eyed and cheery. The great graphics and gameplay Made me all teary. But many years on, Well Pixo, its been a gas Im done, I quit. And you can kiss my @$$.
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Mar 10, 2018 20:01:00 GMT -5
I'm new so I don't know how the MM works. But here's my rant.
Made Silver 1 league in 3 days with lvl 3-4 gears getting matched with lvl 6-9. Getting huge + points even after massive losses in a row...5 days in I'm Gold 2 lvl 30 with only lvl 4-6 gears getting matched with Diamond league people with lvl 12 & MK 2 gears...how the hell is this?!?! of course massive PWNAGE ensues, then I get -27 points like its my fault I cant fight people with double & triple lvl of my gear...
Firstly, I'm new. I shouldn't even be allowed to be in certain matches without a certain lvl on my gear.
Secondly, PWNAGE BOTS... I'm in newbie bots verses golden warriors a newbie bot has a very low chance of even shooting let alone trying to outgun it or out run it....need I say more?
Furthermore, I feel the moment you equip certain bots &/or weapons, you should enter a certain MM bracket for pro bots/weps. I just cant compete. win % at 78% rushed me to the high leagues where it instantly dropped to 47% fighting pro bots & high lvl guys leagues way above mine. there should be a 1-2 lvl league max difference in the MM.
Last Edit: Mar 10, 2018 20:04:17 GMT -5 by >^\}VULTURE{/^<: Used censored word, replaced it with "PWNAGE"
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
I'm new so I don't know how the MM works. But here's my rant.
Made Silver 1 league in 3 days with lvl 3-4 gears getting matched with lvl 6-9. Getting huge + points even after massive losses in a row...5 days in I'm Gold 2 lvl 30 with only lvl 4-6 gears getting matched with Diamond league people with lvl 12 & MK 2 gears...how the hell is this?!?! of course massive PWNAGE ensues, then I get -27 points like its my fault I cant fight people with double & triple lvl of my gear...
Firstly, I'm new. I shouldn't even be allowed to be in certain matches without a certain lvl on my gear.
Secondly, PWNAGE BOTS... I'm in newbie bots verses golden warriors a newbie bot has a very low chance of even shooting let alone trying to outgun it or out run it....need I say more?
Furthermore, I feel the moment you equip certain bots &/or weapons, you should enter a certain MM bracket for pro bots/weps. I just cant compete. win % at 78% rushed me to the high leagues where it instantly dropped to 47% fighting pro bots & high lvl guys leagues way above mine. there should be a 1-2 lvl league max difference in the MM.
IMO if you are running level 4-6 gear you should still be down in high bronze/low silver although you say you are level 30 so something is amiss to move up that high so quickly without your gear at a higher level. Based on your post you haven't been playing longer than 2 weeks (max) so you haven't had a chance to really learn the game and the strengths and weaknesses of your bots and weapons.
You will get belted down to a lower league and tankers will facilitate that slide. I suggest that you accept the fact that you are where you shouldn't be at this point in time and don't be concerned with losing. The match maker will eventually have you at a league level that suits your gear and your experience. Concentrate on gaining Silver to allow you to upgrade to become more effective while learning. Some here advocate that 6/6 is a reasonable level to aim for and play at which should help you (should put you somewhere around mid Silver league).
I'm new so I don't know how the MM works. But here's my rant.
Made Silver 1 league in 3 days with lvl 3-4 gears getting matched with lvl 6-9. Getting huge + points even after massive losses in a row...5 days in I'm Gold 2 lvl 30 with only lvl 4-6 gears getting matched with Diamond league people with lvl 12 & MK 2 gears...how the hell is this?!?! of course massive PWNAGE ensues, then I get -27 points like its my fault I cant fight people with double & triple lvl of my gear...
Firstly, I'm new. I shouldn't even be allowed to be in certain matches without a certain lvl on my gear.
Secondly, PWNAGE BOTS... I'm in newbie bots verses golden warriors a newbie bot has a very low chance of even shooting let alone trying to outgun it or out run it....need I say more?
Furthermore, I feel the moment you equip certain bots &/or weapons, you should enter a certain MM bracket for pro bots/weps. I just cant compete. win % at 78% rushed me to the high leagues where it instantly dropped to 47% fighting pro bots & high lvl guys leagues way above mine. there should be a 1-2 lvl league max difference in the MM.
IMO if you are running level 4-6 gear you should still be down in high bronze/low silver although you say you are level 30 so something is amiss to move up that high so quickly without your gear at a higher level. Based on your post you haven't been playing longer than 2 weeks (max) so you haven't had a chance to really learn the game and the strengths and weaknesses of your bots and weapons.
You will get belted down to a lower league and tankers will facilitate that slide. I suggest that you accept the fact that you are where you shouldn't be at this point in time and don't be concerned with losing. The match maker will eventually have you at a league level that suits your gear and your experience. Concentrate on gaining Silver to allow you to upgrade to become more effective while learning. Some here advocate that 6/6 is a reasonable level to aim for and play at which should help you (should put you somewhere around mid Silver league).
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
I'm new so I don't know how the MM works. But here's my rant.
Made Silver 1 league in 3 days with lvl 3-4 gears getting matched with lvl 6-9. Getting huge + points even after massive losses in a row...5 days in I'm Gold 2 lvl 30 with only lvl 4-6 gears getting matched with Diamond league people with lvl 12 & MK 2 gears...how the hell is this?!?! of course massive PWNAGE ensues, then I get -27 points like its my fault I cant fight people with double & triple lvl of my gear...
Firstly, I'm new. I shouldn't even be allowed to be in certain matches without a certain lvl on my gear.
Secondly, PWNAGE BOTS... I'm in newbie bots verses golden warriors a newbie bot has a very low chance of even shooting let alone trying to outgun it or out run it....need I say more?
Furthermore, I feel the moment you equip certain bots &/or weapons, you should enter a certain MM bracket for pro bots/weps. I just cant compete. win % at 78% rushed me to the high leagues where it instantly dropped to 47% fighting pro bots & high lvl guys leagues way above mine. there should be a 1-2 lvl league max difference in the MM.
The advice from @aaarrggghhh is spot on.
If you are a skilled and competitive player, the game’s current matchmaker will consistently match you against players with levels superior to yours, simply because they are not as skilled or are deliberately manipulating their League tanking in order to club seals or farm resources. I’m in Champion League with lvl 9 bots, no Shocktrains and no Mk2 and I am matched against opponents with maxed out hangars and OP equipment every single game (granted, I do have a Haechi, an Ember, and lvl 12 weapons now, so it’s slightly easier). My winrate routinely sits between 40 and 50%, which is I find very respectable for a player as outmatched as I am. So I’m not equipped/skilled enough to win the majority of my matches in Champion League, but I am too equipped/skilled to get knocked back to Masters League, and I typically finish the season at about 5500 before the League rankings are reset at the end of each month.
Long story short, if you’re looking to enjoy this game long term your enjoyment needs to be independent of your winrate. Unfortunately if you are playing very competitively, you will be rewarded with matches you cannot possibly win. Personally, I have learned to find enjoyment in playing to my best abilities even though everything around me is going wrong. The journey there has not been smooth, but it has been somewhat rewarding. The obvious metaphorical parallel this has when applied to real life also hasn’t been lost on me.
I do understand and appreciate that for some people this inequality totally undermines their reason for playing the game in the first place. If this is the case, then I can assure you that it doesn’t get better and you should devote your time elsewhere. However, when I also considered going elsewhere I was forced to acknowledge that inequality is now an intrinsic part of the freemium game business model. It’s somewhat ironic that you end up spending infinitely more to play a freemium game on a level playing field than you would for a console game or a board game. There’s a big lesson in that I think...
I feel you Funkin, and everyone experiencing these issues. I feel there are three major issues here maybe four and it is causing all of these problems. Three of which are people manipulating the system the fourth might be issues with the matchmaking itself.
ISSUE 1) People picking and choosing maps. I know I am a broken record on this one, but I really believe this is seriously undermining the game in a way that puts more and more certain types of bots on certain maps. Until Pixonic sees the problem and if they fix it, this imo is a major problem and needs to be addressed immediately. ISSUE 2) People tanking.. Let me first say there are two type of tankers, the first type I will call legitimate cause tankers, those that are getting their butts kicked in every game and out of pure desperation tank themselves to relieve themselves of this nightmare. BUT the second type, I will call it high level tanking, this tanking is a crime, it is pure cheating. High level guys tanking so they can have a good time beating up on low level players, literally farming noobs.. smh ISSUE 3) Manipulation of the League System. This one goes along the lines of high level tanking. Basically blowing first five games to get a lower tier level at the start of a new series/season. This could very well be the reason why guys in lower tiers are seeing high level bots and weapons show up in their games. These High Level Tankers and League Manipulators could seriously be causing problems in the matchmaking, at the very least they are not helping things. These "cheats" need to be addressed as soon as possible by Pixonic, I will be writing them again to be sure. ISSUE 4) Matchmaking, This one is yet to be determined and to be honest, it may be very difficult to determine if matchmaking is the problem or is it high level tankers and league manipulators. Probably will be very hard to determine for much of the 30 day seasonseries of the league system unfortunately.
I ran into an issue #2. This person is a tanker in the truest form. How in the heck can he have such high level Mechs in the silver league. This person destroyed damn near everyone on the map. I did't have a chance. It took him 4 seconds to destroy my Griffin with Tarans and Magnums.
I think we need an Up/down vote / star based rating system for teammates - forget the tanker form and sending pixo screenshots of hangars that probably go straight to trash, just a plus minus / 1-5 star rating system. Take it out of the hands of pixo and let team mates decide. Rating falls below [X] you get put in the bad queue and out of normal matchmaker.
System would need to work the other way too - if you keep giving negative ratings to players that otherwise get good scores (I.e. some malicous person just giving out 1 star to everyone all the time) then your votes get discounted.
So we have a community based rating system of players and Pixo just has to arbitrate when someone wants to appeal the community decision to exclude them from MM.
Hopefully would incentivise players to not play like completely selfish arseholes
Post by ezekielcrow on Mar 11, 2018 12:45:00 GMT -5
「whiskey tango foxtrot」 Pixo!? I finally found something worse than tankers. When MM uses you to club someone else. Ive had several games where my team of lone wolves g3-g1 rolls over a mostly s3-s1 team! Not fun at all for me and Im sure it cant be fun for them.
Are player numbers dwindling that fast?
Last Edit: Mar 11, 2018 12:46:15 GMT -5 by ezekielcrow
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Mar 14, 2018 9:32:22 GMT -5
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Seal clubbing / Stat padding by League MM instead of MM by Bot/Gear/Level. This guy has better bots & higher level gear than me in Gold 2. This is just a mid level example, some are more extreme. Possible this guy is using a hack, so I screened it, but most guys just get put in matches with guys way below due to the MM settings ATM. Not seeing how the "new" MM is helping.
Last Edit: Mar 14, 2018 9:37:36 GMT -5 by >^\}VULTURE{/^<: Making sure the photo was in.
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How is it fair that my team sonsists of 2 champions 3 diamond and a gold. The other team has 5 champions and a diamond no squads on either side. The reasult is exactly how you would think it came out a massacre.....its a fun game but please fix the match making. We lose alot of points when 6 reds are in your face because my team is too weak to defend against it. RANT........
How is it fair that my team sonsists of 2 champions 3 diamond and a gold. The other team has 5 champions and a diamond no squads on either side. The reasult is exactly how you would think it came out a massacre.....its a fun game but please fix the match making. We lose alot of points when 6 reds are in your face because my team is too weak to defend against it. RANT........
LOL better than one I had this morning. I was the only champion on Blue team with some Masters and Diamonds on my team not tankers normal lower level bots and gear. Red team full squad of MK2 OP bots and weapons.
Then there was the TDM game that 2 Blues left at start Grrrr...........
But I also had games today where the Reds where screwed the same way we have been.
This game is not "Fair" plan to lose allot unless squaded all the time with good players is my take.
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Apr 3, 2018 6:21:13 GMT -5
I'm in gold and consistently get matched 3-8 leagues above. It's not the league that bothers me every man/woman has earned their pay scale, it is the gear difference.
Here is my standard battle:
Here is my standard foe:
Here is my standard gear:
Instead of dumping these matches when I see all the MK2 kills like a douche, I still compete in the name of sportsmanship for the others who are forced to suffer the same fate. Always having hope for the times that the match making gives you a competitive match of people similarly geared which is enjoyable win, loose, or draw... that is what keeps me playing.
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
I once joined this game, Doe eyed and cheery. The great graphics and gameplay Made me all teary. But many years on, Well Pixo, its been a gas Im done, I quit. And you can kiss my @$$.
LOL...nice, I'll give it a go...
There once was a game from Pix
Overrun with OP weapons, robots, and tricks
Then comes this event
And 5 Cossacks were sent
So I couldn't win in the top 3 because of these 「wee-wee」s
Post by ezekielcrow on Apr 3, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5
To the ?wee-wee? wads running MM (Pixo). Please point out to me where the balance in your game has gone. Lone wolf players. When my team wins we've got two to four players left. When we lose, we're completely wiped out and the reds keep a full roster.
If this is you trying...then you couldn't find a brown turd in a white toilet.
Last Edit: Apr 3, 2018 10:52:36 GMT -5 by ezekielcrow
Post by ezekielcrow on Apr 10, 2018 11:21:09 GMT -5
For the lunk heads at Pixonic who think this is fun. Here are a few more games your staff might want to try.
1) Tongue on an iron for 20 seconds. First one to say "lullaby" 20 times wins. 2) BOS (balls of steel). Players take turns kicking each other in the cojones and the first one that stops whistling loses. 3) Iron gut. players take turns downing shots of coffee, coconut water and stool softener. 3 rounds. then they tickle each other' s noses with a feather to see who sneezes first.
I downloaded your game to escape from stress....
...you morons.
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2018 11:27:35 GMT -5 by ezekielcrow
Post by promisedone on Apr 19, 2018 0:11:47 GMT -5
Well after reading through the forums for the first time I can see the issue which brought me here has been a problem for quite some time. I play a few matches a day when I have some time so pretty casual. When I started everything was awesome and I was matched correctly with other players. I had a great time grinding up the levels. A few weeks later I am level 27, have mostly 7/7 or 7/6 bots. I have gotten a single Orkan with my gold earned and unlocked an extra hanger slot. I finally made it to gold III league. Now every match I fight people who have double my bot and equipment levels consistently. I mean I can see why people tank and it is a problem. I totally lost interest in playing any further. MM is absolute crap and I can see why player base is dwindling. I imagine many people have experiences just like mine.
Matchmaking is a complete joke. I'm in diamond league and just had to battle 6 members of champion league.. What's the point I not spending money to compete.. Pix cash cow!
I'm in champs league in 5 months without component bots on amazon. Not a hard thing to accomplish due to a much smaller pool of players.
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Apr 26, 2018 4:50:47 GMT -5
Welcome to my life. Pix has made the penalties a little bit harsher for tankers but they have a new work around for it nearly as soon as these measures were implemented. Until something like player level match making or better yet gear based match making is instituted, level 30 players with OP MK2 hangers will continue to trash low level newbies and/or players with low level gears with impunity. As several veteran players advised me, just tough through it until your character and/or gear levels rise and play just for the sake of fun. Personally I take pleasure in pissing tankers off by playing smarter, harder, and more efficient. Soon you will notice the match making using you to club noobies and still toss you into matches with non-tankers leagues above your own. live life 1 match at a time, your game play will improve. You will find yourself ignoring the fact that the window washer/janitor doing match making math does not know 1+1=2.
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
MM is really ?fluffernutter?ed up. I'm in silver and got thrown into a TDM match where my team was all Gold II and III and all my opponents were from Gold I to III, with the exception being this guy:
Getting slaughtered in L6 bots at spawn point continuously is not fun . Ah yes, and getting a rating of -17 and therefore dropping below 1700 points 1 match before moving up to Gold III is also a bit annoying
If you want THE worst matchmaking, come on over to Facebook Gameroom. Unless you've spent Big Money, you're NEVER going to make it there. It is litterally impossible to move up through the ranks. You are REQUIRED to tank just to have any decent fun.
I joined 3 months ago and have an Ok Mid Gold hanger. No Dash's, no nothing except a lancelot I won. Weapons are all 8's. I don't know why but about 1/3rd of the time I'm the lone Gold player on my side. Even if we win, Im usually last unless there are silvers in the squad. And yes, I've seen bronze with the champions.
It's total BS.
I have 4 left event win and come in 1st-3rd and have just finished the last 8 games. Can't even come close. FFA was great during the event, now it's pairing me up with everything higher. UnFeckingBelievable. I should just stick with android. Plus there's no control customization which is bs.
Last Edit: May 21, 2018 20:11:59 GMT -5 by ranchpig
Post by ezekielcrow on May 26, 2018 21:02:45 GMT -5
Today marks my second time in android diamond league and Im hating it as much as the first. Too many useless team mates with camping set ups. Several games this morning and its just myself and another player that seems interested in destroying reds! Was there a law passed mandating decaf!?
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on May 29, 2018 18:13:13 GMT -5
Time to break out the 3 noricum ghepard, hang in the rear, rarely hit a target, cap nothing, and run when the enemy comes for you because you are the only player left from camping all match.
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
Post by Robotor Affan on May 29, 2018 23:00:24 GMT -5
I hate it when I had easy match playing againts lower Expert and even Diamond 1 whereby I'm the only one in Champ. I thought I was bad-「bum-bum」 in that match.. actually I was against weaker opponent. LOL
Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jun 3, 2018 10:17:38 GMT -5
YES! I...AM..ON..FIRE!! I cant miss. Yes, another kill, and another capture! *match ends* Wait...all these guys are Silver league three & Bronze one, no wonder I feel like a God. Yes MM will use you to club non-tanking newbies. My thoughts are how the hell that even happens at Diamond and below. your level it is quite common because people have tanked down from Master and above to remain at the top instead of playing their way up from the bottom like everyone else.
My name is >^\}VULTURE{/^< and I approve the above message "Make War Robots Great Again"!
YES! I...AM..ON..FIRE!! I cant miss. Yes, another kill, and another capture! *match ends* Wait...all these guys are Silver league three & Bronze one, no wonder I feel like a God. Yes MM will use you to club non-tanking newbies. My thoughts are how the hell that even happens at Diamond and below. your level it is quite common because people have tanked down from Master and above to remain at the top instead of playing their way up from the bottom like everyone else.