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Post by zarthak on Feb 22, 2017 23:18:58 GMT -5
Hey there. I'm not a hard player, but I liked to think that I was kind of good overall speaking, specially that I don't play that much. BUT that changed a lot when the new MM came around. So, what should I do? Any tips in how to change my hangar? This is how I was a little bit after the change... And just now... Tks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:21:32 GMT -5
Deja vu anyone?
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Post by salty af on Feb 23, 2017 1:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:26:31 GMT -5
I can't tell if your having fun, or being a 「wee-wee」.
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Post by salty af on Feb 23, 2017 1:29:14 GMT -5
I can't tell if your having fun, or being a ?wee-wee?. A bit of both
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Post by zarthak on Feb 23, 2017 8:31:04 GMT -5
Well, that wasn't helpful at all...
Sorry if I asked something wrong. I think I will just have to forget about all that money I spent on those sham events.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 23, 2017 9:03:17 GMT -5
I think you're doing pretty well for the total number of matches you've played (assuming your total victories is fairly representative, as well as your player level). Damage over 300k with fewer than 100 total weapon levels is pretty good. Win rate in the neighborhood of 50% means you're competitive and generally winning as often not. It looks to me like you're getting placed in competitive matches and doing alright.
If you're disappointed by not winning most of the time anymore, I'd say get used to disappointment. This is a PvP game and other people aren't generally inclined to just line up and lose on a regular basis, so it's not in the business interests of any developer to enable you to choose "playing down" against weaker competition. That's why the MM changed, and why the trimag gep is no longer a formula for getting seeded against mostly people with slower bots that can do less damage. Also, the low-level geps were nerfed in HP at the same time so they no longer have the same HP as those slower, lower-damage bots you were mostly facing before.
Assuming your disappointment centers around no longer winning 3/4 of the time just because you paid real money for a Gepard (which used to be overpowered for the way the old MM handled it), I'd chalk it up as a learning experience for how pay-to-win games work. P2W companies convince you to buy something that gives you an advantage for a short period of time, then they change the game mechanics so you'd have to buy something else to get the same advantage. In this case you'd need to buy enough gold to acquire and upgrade a triple-trident Fury to dominate the current meta. Once Pixonic determines that the game has become saturated with TT Furies, they'll nerf that build and make something else overpowered so that people who are willing to pay money to win more easily will give them more money, while people who aren't paying to win will be motivated to produce more "content" for the paying players while grinding lots of matches for gold.
If you're really just confused by no longer getting unusually great returns in a PvP game and sincerely want hangar advice, I'd say it looks like you're on a good path and performing right around average (within 1 game of a 'perfect' 25-25 record over your last 50 matches, which is feedback that you're being seeded fairly). Everything in your hangar can be effective. At this point you can see which of the 4 medium bots you most enjoy playing and which you find to be most effective for your playing style, then let that be your guide for what direction to continue your hangar development. The only other thing to maybe try out is a mid-range setup to see if you like it... maybe pins on the Patton for a minimal investment of Ag. Long-range setups don't really work for medium or light bots IMO, so I wouldn't waste resources experimenting with long-range until you are running more heavy bots. Also, long-range tends to suck when soloing so maybe not worth experimenting with until you are running in squads regularly.
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 23, 2017 9:15:29 GMT -5
If you like this Line up, level up your bots next. It used to be you'd keep your weps +2 to bots...no longer the case. Now keep them inline with bots maybe leading weps as damage inflicted is the key driver of mm.
If you aspire to play in higher power leagues, you'll have to start getting heavies (Griffin, Lancelot) and bots like the carnage or Galahad or Gareth. A great way to test out these bots are to sign up for the test server where you can play with all bots and weps for free. Then yuca start planning out what you'll upgrade wep wise switch bots later.
The only other consideration is that your hanger is all close range. There is nothing wrong with that if you like it....but mid range can be helpful on the long maps. Trident pin Natasha, or a rocket golem are good options to explore.
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Post by ryel on Feb 23, 2017 11:37:20 GMT -5
Your whole team consists only close range glass cannons, they can beat light and medium bots but lack the firepower and/or health to deal with heavy bots (except boa).
Consider of replacing Vityaz for a Leo, you lose some speed (32 instead 37-38) but gain lot of health 155k instead 104-111k and you can apply another pinata, much better silver option for a knife fighter until you can buy premium bots. I also suggest to try Griffin it's slow and has mediocre health however the jump ability give excellent offensive or defensive tool to compansate that. You could equip it for mid range (Pin-Pin-Tulumbas-Tulumbas) or close range (Magnum-Magnum-Taran-Taran or Pinata-Pinata-Orkan-Orkan). This big chicken is the best silver bot available.
If you dont want to change your hangar, then change your play style. Do not fight one on one except the enemy is wounded. Support your teams knife fighters, try to ambush the reds and use the corner shooting ability of golem and boa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 14:13:38 GMT -5
Well, that wasn't helpful at all... Sorry if I asked something wrong. I think I will just have to forget about all that money I spent on those sham events. Sorry. I'm not good at giving advice and thought someone else would have jumped in much sooner to help. I was just having fun. I'd replace all your bots except one. Since I don't know what you can afford I'll suggest this: On the cheap I'd go with another Boa (have one TT and one TO) and a pair of Griffins (either one PDB, or DB and one RDB). I'd equalize all of the bots and their weapons at 6 to start. Then I'd bump my bots to 7 followed by my weapons. Once at 7 I'd bump my bots to 9 before doing anything more with the weapons, so speed is maxed. I would not strive to be top damage in every match. Instead I would strive to do whatever facilitates the team best for the win. Sometimes that's damage. Sometimes it's beacons. Sometimes it's neither (i.e. I've had matches where I've managed to occupy 2/3 enemies for 3-5 minutes dancing around obstacles near a beacon. This left the rest of my team in a 5 on 4, or a 5 on 3 scenario. I scored jack, but we won. Winning a lot and being the top damage are not necessarily compatible anymore. Think team first if you really want to raise your win rate.) My win rate is currently 74% without actively tanking/smurfing/ditching in anyway. Just a change of focus. Who needs help? Where is there a gap in our coverage? Does a beacon need to be defended? Can pin more than one opponent down for a little while and remove them from battle? Can I take out the midrange spash? Etcetera.. It is possible to manipulate your ranking via damage management, but if you can set aside the need to focus on damage, rather than your team it no longer needs to be managed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:39:38 GMT -5
Here is what I will suggest: Buy a Pinata Thunder Leo to replace the Pinata Vityaz. Get a Pin Tulumbas Griffin to replace the Pinata Patton or a Trident Tulumbas Pin Golem. Buy 3 more Orkans. As for now, Get a Griffin and put 2 Pinatas and 1 Orkan and 1 Tulumbas on it. Buy another Griffin and put 2 Tarans and 2 Magnums on it. Keep the Boa and level it.
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Post by peterw35 on Feb 23, 2017 21:43:49 GMT -5
i was on the same boat. my suggestion to you now is replace your hanger with heavies. Also try to get use to less kills and more losses because that is what the new MM does best
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 21:46:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother investing in anything new right now. Just play for a bit with what you have and see if Pix manages to get things settled. In terms of upgrades, bring the weapons on your Golem and Boa up to 7.
If you decide you want to go the heavy mech route, then do it all at once and get 4 new level 6 bots that can make use of the weapons you have available. Don't be misled by some of the other comments - none of your current robots are really suitable for the higher level environment. Investing in them is ultimately a dead end.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 23, 2017 22:06:53 GMT -5
A good "low cost" hangar build consists of 5 Griffins: 2 Griffins with Taran/Mags 2 Griffins with Orkan/Pinatas 1 Griffin with Tulumbas/Pins
When you have gold you can upgrade this setup to: 1 Galahad with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Orkan/Aphids 1 Lancelot with Orkan/Thunder OR Ancile/Tarans (if going for the Ancile Lancelot, trade the plasma Griffin for him and build another Orkan/Aphid Griffin). 1 Fury with 3 Tridents
EDIT: Gepards cannot compete anymore since the hard nerf, there is only ONE build now that work on them, wich is 3 Aphids. I'm working towards the build I recommended and so far its doing really well, I have a 70/80% win hate most of the time. Griffin is the best silver bot in the game and the most versatile heavy one, since it has jump you can pair mobility with high firepower and good survivability.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 23, 2017 22:11:26 GMT -5
A good "low cost" hangar build consists of 5 Griffins: 2 Griffins with Taran/Mags 2 Griffins with Orkan/Pinatas 1 Griffin with Tulumbas/Pins When you have gold you can upgrade this setup to: 1 Galahad with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Orkan/Aphids 1 Lancelot with Orkan/Thunder OR Ancile/Tarans (if going for the Ancile Lancelot, trade it with a plasma Griffin and build another Orkan/Aphid Griffin). 1 Fury with 3 Tridents Not horrible advice, BUT, Griffins definitely have a learning curve and are kinda squishy at level 6. Definitely recomend starting out with 1 or 2 (pdb and rdb) and getting good with them instead of going all in. Leo's and Boa's are straight forward bots that do ok in higher levels but not top tier.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 23, 2017 22:18:16 GMT -5
A good "low cost" hangar build consists of 5 Griffins: 2 Griffins with Taran/Mags 2 Griffins with Orkan/Pinatas 1 Griffin with Tulumbas/Pins When you have gold you can upgrade this setup to: 1 Galahad with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Orkan/Aphids 1 Lancelot with Orkan/Thunder OR Ancile/Tarans (if going for the Ancile Lancelot, trade it with a plasma Griffin and build another Orkan/Aphid Griffin). 1 Fury with 3 Tridents Not horrible advice, BUT, Griffins definitely have a learning curve and are kinda squishy at level 6. Definitely recomend starting out with 1 or 2 (pdb and rdb) and getting good with them instead of going all in. Leo's and Boa's are straight forward bots that do ok in higher levels but not top tier. With Griffins he will learn how to use cover and the jump to back from explosives. Griffin is expendable at LV 6, his life shouldnt last longer than 3 minutes at lv 6, but that happens with top tier gameplay as well. The only Leo build I can think of being competitive is the pothead warrior.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 0:29:53 GMT -5
Leo with mags, rockets or aphids will have a long enough life to be worth investing some energy in. Griffins are even better, though. The Boa is a poor investment now, even though he was great back when there was a midgame and is a sentimental favorite of many players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 0:38:47 GMT -5
A good "low cost" hangar build consists of 5 Griffins: 2 Griffins with Taran/Mags 2 Griffins with Orkan/Pinatas 1 Griffin with Tulumbas/Pins When you have gold you can upgrade this setup to: 1 Galahad with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Taran/Mags 1 Griffin with Orkan/Aphids 1 Lancelot with Orkan/Thunder OR Ancile/Tarans (if going for the Ancile Lancelot, trade it with a plasma Griffin and build another Orkan/Aphid Griffin). 1 Fury with 3 Tridents Not horrible advice, BUT, Griffins definitely have a learning curve and are kinda squishy at level 6. Definitely recomend starting out with 1 or 2 (pdb and rdb) and getting good with them instead of going all in. Leo's and Boa's are straight forward bots that do ok in higher levels but not top tier. I was surprised in the difference between 6-7 on the Griffs. Yup, a little soft at 6.
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Post by zarthak on Feb 24, 2017 8:32:12 GMT -5
Wow, now we are talking.
Great amount of advice guys, thanks a lot!
I'll sleep on it and try to decide my new strategy. All I know for sure is that I can't continue with this hangar, it's not as effective as it was before.
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Post by zarthak on Feb 26, 2017 12:29:20 GMT -5
I kept loosing like it was some kind of weird rule to follow before changing my hangar. Now, with this new setup, I won 5 times and lost 3, what I (now) consider good enough. Still looking tough for a recommendations on how to spend my 24.3k WSP. Tks
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Post by zer00eyz on Feb 26, 2017 19:02:40 GMT -5
Not horrible advice, BUT, Griffins definitely have a learning curve and are kinda squishy at level 6. Definitely recomend starting out with 1 or 2 (pdb and rdb) and getting good with them instead of going all in. Leo's and Boa's are straight forward bots that do ok in higher levels but not top tier With Griffins he will learn how to use cover and the jump to back from explosives. Griffin is expendable at LV 6, his life shouldnt last longer than 3 minutes at lv 6, but that happens with top tier gameplay as well. The only Leo build I can think of being competitive is the pothead warrior. A while back I did an all patton hanger (freshly bought no less). Hanger monoculture might not be super effective but your going to learn to drive the hell out of one bot. I think that the harsh learning curve of the griff would be easier to get over if you had ONE thing to drive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:14:22 GMT -5
I kept loosing like it was some kind of weird rule to follow before changing my hangar. Now, with this new setup, I won 5 times and lost 3, what I (now) consider good enough. Still looking tough for a recommendations on how to spend my 24.3k WSP. Tks Alright. Here is what I'd do. Leo is fine but think about replacing it with a Pinata Orkan Griffin once you get your second Orkan. Golem should be replaced with a Pin Tulumbas Griffin or you can buy a 2 Tridents and make it a Trident Pin Natasha (a mini Fury) Boa is fine, but think about a Galahad, Rhino or a Lancelot to replace it in the long run. Vityaz should be replaced with a Leo. Griffin is fine, but think for a Plasma Galahad in your long run. Before buying anything else, I'd get 2 more Tarans. It is very important to have at least 4-6 Tarans / Magnums in your inventory.
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Post by zarthak on Feb 26, 2017 22:25:40 GMT -5
Alright. Here is what I'd do. Leo is fine but think about replacing it with a Pinata Orkan Griffin once you get your second Orkan. Golem should be replaced with a Pin Tulumbas Griffin or you can buy a 2 Tridents and make it a Trident Pin Natasha (a mini Fury) Boa is fine, but think about a Galahad, Rhino or a Lancelot to replace it in the long run. Vityaz should be replaced with a Leo. Griffin is fine, but think for a Plasma Galahad in your long run. Before buying anything else, I'd get 2 more Tarans. It is very important to have at least 4-6 Tarans / Magnums in your inventory. I'll take all that in consideration, but what do you think about saving WSP for a few more days and replace my midrange Golem with a Trident Carnage? While a save gold for a Galahad (will use my 2mags in Vityaz and my Orkan from Boa (replaced with Tulumbas)).
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 27, 2017 9:07:40 GMT -5
With Griffins he will learn how to use cover and the jump to back from explosives. Griffin is expendable at LV 6, his life shouldnt last longer than 3 minutes at lv 6, but that happens with top tier gameplay as well. The only Leo build I can think of being competitive is the pothead warrior. A while back I did an all patton hanger (freshly bought no less). Hanger monoculture might not be super effective but your going to learn to drive the hell out of one bot. I think that the harsh learning curve of the griff would be easier to get over if you had ONE thing to drive. I said Griffin since I wouldnt build a monohangar of any other bot besides Griffin, since he is the best silver available nowdays. It is a good "low cost" build, but you might get bored really fast since there is no diversity. My hangar was all Griff before, when I bought my Galahad I had alot more fun playing the game.
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Post by zarthak on Feb 28, 2017 10:31:57 GMT -5
I'll take all that in consideration, but what do you think about saving WSP for a few more days and replace my midrange Golem with a Trident Carnage? While saving gold for a Galahad (will use my 2mags in Vityaz and my Orkan from Boa (replaced with Tulumbas)).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:07:17 GMT -5
That is a good idea. But you really need Tarans on a Galahad and Orkans on a Boa.
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Post by zer00eyz on Feb 28, 2017 11:23:44 GMT -5
A while back I did an all patton hanger (freshly bought no less). Hanger monoculture might not be super effective but your going to learn to drive the hell out of one bot. I think that the harsh learning curve of the griff would be easier to get over if you had ONE thing to drive. I said Griffin since I wouldnt build a monohangar of any other bot besides Griffin, since he is the best silver available nowdays. It is a good "low cost" build, but you might get bored really fast since there is no diversity. My hangar was all Griff before, when I bought my Galahad I had alot more fun playing the game. Driving the all Patton hanger got boring, but I learned to drive the hell out of the one bot. I see good grif pilots and terrible ones, and on rare occasion ones who dominate, simply because of how they drive, not their weapons or their levels. Did driving one type of bot make you a better pilot/driver of said bot?
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Post by zarthak on Feb 28, 2017 11:54:37 GMT -5
That is a good idea. But you really need Tarans on a Galahad and Orkans on a Boa. Good Point. Well, I'm way closer to 28k WSP (26.3k) than 2.5k Au (1k), so maybe I can harvest another 5.560 WSP for the Taran. Just not sure if I pick the trident Carnage first or wait for buying they together. Or go with my first thought and replace the Orkan afterwards. Is there any "rule" saying that is better to improve your hangar as soon as possible or that is better to make big leaps. Tks again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:12:24 GMT -5
Do it as soon as possible, but buy the 2 Tarans then a Trident for a Pin Tulumbas Golem.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 28, 2017 15:41:05 GMT -5
Is there any "rule" saying that is better to improve your hangar as soon as possible or that is better to make big leaps. I tend to like improving my weapons first, then buy and improve the bots they will go on last, because you can usually use those weapons on other bots while you're waiting for the final ingredient to "cook" up to a level that suits the rest of your hangar.
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