Vaeurias
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Post by Vaeurias on Aug 29, 2018 1:22:57 GMT -5
What is your favorite dragoon setup, and why you think so
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Aug 29, 2018 2:09:37 GMT -5
Inquisitor Taran/Dragoon
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Post by iplayfromrehab on Aug 29, 2018 2:29:09 GMT -5
I understand that as of late the bulwark has taken the long range meta away from my personal love the fury, but I would7 still say that the fury has an extremely strong place when played correctly and carefully, note I speak from the perspective of someone who uses comms in my matches. (I say this as someone who plays with maxed MK2 bulwark and dragoons)
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Post by TheRageMonster on Aug 29, 2018 3:22:13 GMT -5
Bulwark dragoon, all the way. The fury can be taken down rather easily by a ST spectre, scourgasari, or other furies/bulwarks with dragoon or flux. The bulwark has so much protection from mid-range plasma that I think it is the best option for the dragoon at the moment.
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Post by hjn on Aug 29, 2018 5:48:22 GMT -5
In E3 a 3x Dragoon Fury still rocks
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 29, 2018 7:09:55 GMT -5
Fury
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 29, 2018 7:29:59 GMT -5
I run a Dragoon Fury, but if I had a Bulwark, I'd switch to that. That beast is almost unkillable at MR.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 29, 2018 9:34:51 GMT -5
Carnage doesn't have the raw firepower of Fury or the durability of Bulwark, but it is more mobile than either, which makes it still a strong contender.
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Post by -PD- on Aug 29, 2018 9:42:05 GMT -5
Bulwark is the bot you seek. It kills all the other bots in the poll without a scratch. Mine eats fury’s for breakfast.
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Post by -PD- on Aug 29, 2018 9:51:12 GMT -5
Carnage doesn't have the raw firepower of Fury or the durability of Bulwark, but it is more mobile than either, which makes it still a strong contender. It’s mobility is outdated and not that useful at medium range. Weakest bot in the poll and easy to kill by most bots. I wouldn’t use it unless it’s your only platform while you work towards something stronger. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 29, 2018 10:03:23 GMT -5
Carnage doesn't have the raw firepower of Fury or the durability of Bulwark, but it is more mobile than either, which makes it still a strong contender. It’s mobility is outdated and not that useful at medium range. Weakest bot in the poll and easy to kill by most bots. I wouldn’t use it unless it’s your only platform while you work towards something stronger. To each their own, I suppose. If there was a similar Bot with Dash, that would definitely be an upgrade. I find Ancile/Rush combo gives an edge over Fury (I don't have the patience to camp forever or slog from spot to spot, and the shield gives me a chance if I advance into danger to support teammates.) Bulwark has my interest with its sheer durability, but if I had one I probably wouldn't use it with Dragoons. It seems to just scream for Embers. In Expert 1, Dragoon Carnage is consistently one of my deadliest Bots, even with Dragoons only at level 9. |
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Post by ystava on Aug 29, 2018 10:08:20 GMT -5
Flux Fury is better than Dragoon Fury.
Bulwark is a good match for Dragoon, but Bulwark is a bot that can do anything as long as anything doesn't have to happen fast.
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Post by ystava on Aug 29, 2018 10:12:34 GMT -5
I understand that as of late the bulwark has taken the long range meta away from my personal love the fury, but I would7 still say that the fury has an extremely strong place when played correctly and carefully, note I speak from the perspective of someone who uses comms in my matches. (I say this as someone who plays with maxed MK2 bulwark and dragoons) I only have one hangar and I have a Fury with 2 Flux and 1 Treb and it seems that as far as I can tell that setup is always going to be relevant to my clan's efforts in almost any fight on almost any map except the moon map, and even there I can make it work from a couple of spots. |
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Post by LeeVicky on Aug 29, 2018 10:27:33 GMT -5
For me it's Fury hands down, it offers superior firepower to other mid-rangers. It's probably my most reliable damage dealer (champions)
I don't really understand that "unkillable from mid-range" argument for Bulwark. Why would you need to be unkillable from mr anyway? All you need is to stay aware, keep 600m range, anticipate enemy's moves and stay close to cover.
Actualy in most cases staying too long in your mid-ranger is bad for your team. If your team is loosing you have to start playing aggresive, start closing distance and switch to brawlers to turn the tide of the game.
Another weird argument is that Bulwark wins 1vs1 with Fury. If Bulwark is targeting you, you don't want to exchange fire, but find other targets. Otherwise you would be a moron.
To me Fury's firepower greatly outweights Bulwark's durability when it comes to champions league gameplay.
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Vaeurias
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Post by Vaeurias on Aug 29, 2018 20:30:16 GMT -5
I think the fury is actually a much more decent setup because
a)It’s midrange so you don’t need that much health and
b)the fury has so much firepower with 3 dragoons
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Vaeurias
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Posts: 54
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Pilot name: Vaeurias
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Favorite robot: Khepri
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Post by Vaeurias on Aug 29, 2018 20:31:43 GMT -5
But since I only have one hangar I should probably pick bulwark cus of maps like dead city where people can sneak up on me
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Post by T34 on Aug 29, 2018 23:16:01 GMT -5
Just to be different:
Lower leagues - Fury
Mid leagues - maybe the edge goes to the Fury
Higher leagues - Bullwark
As a long term project - Bulwark
The rational is that in low and mid leagues the Fury is relatively much safer (challengers are not there on mass) and the extra firepower of the fury results in more benefit especially when it can stay relatively unchallenged at range.
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Post by TheRageMonster on Aug 30, 2018 2:34:33 GMT -5
It’s mobility is outdated and not that useful at medium range. Weakest bot in the poll and easy to kill by most bots. I wouldn’t use it unless it’s your only platform while you work towards something stronger. To each their own, I suppose. If there was a similar Bot with Dash, that would definitely be an upgrade. I find Ancile/Rush combo gives an edge over Fury (I don't have the patience to camp forever or slog from spot to spot, and the shield gives me a chance if I advance into danger to support teammates.) Bulwark has my interest with its sheer durability, but if I had one I probably wouldn't use it with Dragoons. It seems to just scream for Embers. In Expert 1, Dragoon Carnage is consistently one of my deadliest Bots, even with Dragoons only at level 9. Believe it or not, for close range bulwark setups I prefer redeemer over ember. Have tried both setups and the ember just doesn't hit fast enough in the dash age we are in, while the redeemer can deliver a massive blow in a fraction of a second. This is in my experience of course, maybe I just suck at using embers. |
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Post by magicjellybean on Aug 30, 2018 10:19:43 GMT -5
For me it's Fury hands down, it offers superior firepower to other mid-rangers. It's probably my most reliable damage dealer (champions) I don't really understand that "unkillable from mid-range" argument for Bulwark. Why would you need to be unkillable from mr anyway? All you need is to stay aware, keep 600m range, anticipate enemy's moves and stay close to cover. Actualy in most cases staying too long in your mid-ranger is bad for your team. If your team is loosing you have to start playing aggresive, start closing distance and switch to brawlers to turn the tide of the game. Another weird argument is that Bulwark wins 1vs1 with Fury. If Bulwark is targeting you, you don't want to exchange fire, but find other targets. Otherwise you would be a moron. To me Fury's firepower greatly outweights Bulwark's durability when it comes to champions league gameplay.
The only map I can see bulwark doing well over a fury is super open maps like springfield and canyon.
Maps with no cover mean a fury is toast if a hydra user comes into play (or treb/flux snipers)
Aside from that, having that extra damage is always more useful than being "unkillable"
If a haechi is rushing you at full health, you can take out most his health before he bursts you with orkans. You might even kill him before he gets in range or unloads his full clip.
If you're in a bulwark, you cant kill him fast enough. You're dead.
Been in many scenarios in my fury where no matter what I did, I couldn't stop the enemy from rushing me (teammates respawned) and I killed a bot right before it got in range. Were it not for the third dragoon, I would've been dead. |
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Post by ignacij on Aug 30, 2018 10:32:54 GMT -5
For me it's Fury hands down, it offers superior firepower to other mid-rangers. It's probably my most reliable damage dealer (champions) I don't really understand that "unkillable from mid-range" argument for Bulwark. Why would you need to be unkillable from mr anyway? All you need is to stay aware, keep 600m range, anticipate enemy's moves and stay close to cover. Actualy in most cases staying too long in your mid-ranger is bad for your team. If your team is loosing you have to start playing aggresive, start closing distance and switch to brawlers to turn the tide of the game. Another weird argument is that Bulwark wins 1vs1 with Fury. If Bulwark is targeting you, you don't want to exchange fire, but find other targets. Otherwise you would be a moron. To me Fury's firepower greatly outweights Bulwark's durability when it comes to champions league gameplay.
The only map I can see bulwark doing well over a fury is super open maps like springfield and canyon.
Maps with no cover mean a fury is toast if a hydra user comes into play (or treb/flux snipers)
Aside from that, having that extra damage is always more useful than being "unkillable"
If a haechi is rushing you at full health, you can take out most his health before he bursts you with orkans. You might even kill him before he gets in range or unloads his full clip.
If you're in a bulwark, you cant kill him fast enough. You're dead.
Been in many scenarios in my fury where no matter what I did, I couldn't stop the enemy from rushing me (teammates respawned) and I killed a bot right before it got in range. Were it not for the third dragoon, I would've been dead.Dont know in which leaugue u play, but in champion dragoon fury is top target. That means that all enemies which have midle e weapons, like ST, hydras, zeus... will focus on u and u wont last long if u dont hide like mouse. Main bulwark advantage is his shield which allows u to move around on map and search for potentional victim. U cant do thag with fury becouse u will be death in few sec. Also bulwark can be the key between victory and lose, becouse same as with fury, all enemies focus on you becouse of your dragoons, but they have problem...its really hard to kill bulwark from distance. For that u need cordinated action, and that can cost them a win. |
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Post by magicjellybean on Aug 30, 2018 10:40:55 GMT -5
Finally someone who gets it lol
The only map I can see bulwark doing well over a fury is super open maps like springfield and canyon.
Maps with no cover mean a fury is toast if a hydra user comes into play (or treb/flux snipers)
Aside from that, having that extra damage is always more useful than being "unkillable"
If a haechi is rushing you at full health, you can take out most his health before he bursts you with orkans. You might even kill him before he gets in range or unloads his full clip.
If you're in a bulwark, you cant kill him fast enough. You're dead.
Been in many scenarios in my fury where no matter what I did, I couldn't stop the enemy from rushing me (teammates respawned) and I killed a bot right before it got in range. Were it not for the third dragoon, I would've been dead. Dont know in which leaugue u play, but in champion dragoon fury is top target. That means that all enemies which have midle e weapons, like ST, hydras, zeus... will focus on u and u wont last long if u dont hide like mouse. Main bulwark advantage is his shield which allows u to move around on map and search for potentional victim. U cant do thag with fury becouse u will be death in few sec. Also bulwark can be the key between victory and lose, becouse same as with fury, all enemies focus on you becouse of your dragoons, but they have problem...its really hard to kill bulwark from distance. For that u need cordinated action, and that can cost them a win.
It was an aphid hover. He bypassed 3 of my teammates to lock on to me and fire a volley before he got decimated.
This is one reason I am kinda looking at the Raijinn/Bulwark. Both have protection against MR but bulwark means less repair costs lol
And this is a cliche at this point but on almost any given game mode, there is always a shocktrain bot that takes a suicide shot at me before they die.
On shinzen, I always stay 515 meters back from the other side, and a spectre shocktrain will suicide jump to the middle just to shoot me. Even in the beginning of the match. or a bulgasari will double dash to take a pot shot before he gets decimated.
It's almost annoying but understandable. No one likes a fury pounding brawling like damage from 600 meters away on them. |
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Post by LeeVicky on Aug 30, 2018 11:07:50 GMT -5
Finally someone who gets it lol
The only map I can see bulwark doing well over a fury is super open maps like springfield and canyon.
Maps with no cover mean a fury is toast if a hydra user comes into play (or treb/flux snipers)
Aside from that, having that extra damage is always more useful than being "unkillable"
If a haechi is rushing you at full health, you can take out most his health before he bursts you with orkans. You might even kill him before he gets in range or unloads his full clip.
If you're in a bulwark, you cant kill him fast enough. You're dead.
Been in many scenarios in my fury where no matter what I did, I couldn't stop the enemy from rushing me (teammates respawned) and I killed a bot right before it got in range. Were it not for the third dragoon, I would've been dead. Let's see: 1)Hydras - same 600m range and yeah sometimes it can be a nuisance but Fury lvl12 has 190k HP and as I said you always have to keep that +/- 600 range distance and stay near some cover. Overall hydras aren't a big deal. 2) Shocktrains - shorter range so all you need to do is to keep distance and anticipate enemy's moves. Spectres won't suddenly jump 100m forward just to hit you, it would be suicide. Bulgasaries are more tricky so you need to anticipate their dashes. Ohh and If there are no better targets I tend to smash their shields. Eventually you'll break it. 3) Zeues - absolutely no problem and I tend to trade shots with them I don't hide like a mouse and by keeping 600+ range you can " move around on map and search for potentional victim" with pretty much any bot. I'm playing my Fury aggresive unless it's TDM. How can everyone focus me when they're at range disadventage? You mean they rush me with their brawlers? No, they try to flank you, so once again, all you need is positional awerness, not durability. I play in champions (android) as I mentioned in my first post. |
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Post by MarauderCatIsEdgy on Aug 30, 2018 22:23:10 GMT -5
If you like that setup than you will love the scourge variant |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Aug 31, 2018 3:01:18 GMT -5
If you like that setup than you will love the scourge variant I thought about it, but I haven't leveled my extra Scourge yet. The lock on Scourge can be difficult because it takes time to lock and it often changes targets if you re firing while moving. I'll give it a go sometime, disarm my Hover for a tic. When I get my Ember, I may change my vote. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 31, 2018 8:58:29 GMT -5
So what's the consensus then, Bulwark with Ember or with Tempest?
If I do tempest my Raijin is naked.
If I do Ember my Quiz is naked.
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Post by magicjellybean on Aug 31, 2018 9:40:52 GMT -5
So what's the consensus then, Bulwark with Ember or with Tempest? If I do tempest my Raijin is naked. If I do Ember my Quiz is naked.
Why?
Because you can roast up some dark meat haechi chicken legs for lunch and start a business selling meat to Pollo Tropical for a living.
And if you ever want a marshmellow, cookup some ancile lancelots.
But to be fair, I don't think two tempests is that dangerous long range. Yes you'll be more unkillable and harder to counter being further away than dragoons, but how often will you be able to cook someone in the open before they dash or jump away. If you don't have a long range counter, would definitely be a good start. Flux's would be better for accuracy and more consistent DPS
Best solution: SWISS ARMY KNIFE. All the pros do it. One ember one tempest for extra versatility |
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Post by JARVIS on Aug 31, 2018 9:59:25 GMT -5
What is your favorite dragoon setup, and why you think so 3 Dragoons are better than 2 even if you have shielding. Not sure why some think Bulwark is better clearly they don't own this bad boy below.   |
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Post by LeeVicky on Aug 31, 2018 19:13:24 GMT -5
What is your favorite dragoon setup, and why you think so 3 Dragoons are better than 2 even if you have shielding. Not sure why some think Bulwark is better clearly they don't own this bad boy below. You're god damn right! |
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Post by shivaswrath on Aug 31, 2018 20:03:04 GMT -5
What is your favorite dragoon setup, and why you think so 3 Dragoons are better than 2 even if you have shielding. Not sure why some think Bulwark is better clearly they don't own this bad boy below. I see your Fury and raise it three fold!!!  Keep on winning them in silver chests...  ?? Seems like I'll just move the embers the Bulwark when I get it on Monday.... |
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Post by mechtout on Sept 3, 2018 13:11:12 GMT -5
Pretty happy using three dragoons and some cover
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