manni soap boxing hard for spectre?

But Spectres ARE fun to pilot, as long as your opponent doesn't have one to fight back with.




I presume. I'll be an old wrinkly fella by the time I get one.

It looks incredible considering how fast Dash bots and Spectres are, but I completely agree with you. Some games are so BORING, everyone is just hiding behind cover waiting for the stealth/dash to recharge. Then, when you/they finally get out, you don't even have the satisfaction to empty your clip that your enemy (hopefully) is already dead.

I still like the game, but sometimes I miss the old Ancilot days...at least you could stay in the middle of hell for minutes. Ancilots were unblanced and there was less variety at the top, but at least we could shoot for more than 2 seconds. In my opinion, Descend bots ruined the game more than Dash bots.

I was worried about that coming out Wrong when I typed it. Yes descend far worse than dash. But the downward slope started with dash.

Ancilot were hardly broken in my opinion. Griffins possess more firepower than dash bots in reality.

I think perhaps the difference is that in order to bring the firepower down, you had to expose yourself to fire. Dash don’t have that problem.

I felt there were more than sufficient ways to mow down lancelots. But people didn’t want to use them.

Stalkers, Gareths, Galahads and Griffin DB (without Ancile) were good for taking them down ambush style. The turn rate of the Lancelot used to be slower so a Stalker with magnums could run around and get under the front armour.

For one thing, punishers. People forget they have 500 range. And have large cycle damage.

Raijin are especially effective against ancilot.they are faster too.

Fujin possesses same weapon slots and a shield like a haechi, and is very fast to boot

Rhino were practically designed to charge ancilot

Andilot herds can be a problem when your team doesn’t cooperate. Yes they are a good bot. But not overpowered by any stretch like dash are

Nope he doesn't know that he is wrong.
Actually he has a mindset of a habitual tanker who loves squashing opponents with overpowered bots & weapons.
He doesn't care about beacons bcoz winning is never in his mind.
He doesn't even play on his own account, it's always the battle rec account where EVERYTHING is Mk2 lvl12 and there are heaps of free golds for all the boosters.

Lol. Noted hehehehe

Yeah that's sure the Pursuer is there for its fun value, otherwise it would be a 4-storm Spectre.

I don't think it's just fun value; recently I got my behind handed to me by Gust Pursuer, playing none other than storm spectre. My other builds had difficulties with it too. True, the pursuer was 2-3 levels higher than my stuff but still. It's just insane how fast pursuer is and how often it can get away without even using stealth mode. And I believe its stealth mode last longer than specre's. 

Agreed, I'd love to play against that pursuer pilot again. I probably should have added that this fight was in FFA mode, I can see how in beacon cap the worth of pursuer is less because it cannot stay in cover all the time. Now I don't have pursuer and might be wrong here, but I wouldn't put gust pursuer two or three levels below storm spectre. Sure, spectre has lot of firepower but with pursuer hitting 80 kph in stealth mode it seems it could close the gap or escape fast, depending on what's needed.  

It took me a while to understand that you meant Storm Spectre vs Pursuer Gust. I've never 1vs1 one of those in a Pursuer, so no opinion, but could be that the general utility of the Pursuer trumps the quite limited Storm Spectre.

Spectre in general is really 2-3 tiers above Pursuer IMO, and not only because of the cheesy setups: Orkan and Taran Spectre are noticeably better too.

Regarding the run away, one absolutely huge issue that Pursuer has is that it is so fast that sometimes the animation of landing procs even when running on flat terrain, due to the fact that the vertical gradient calculation is possibly triggered per frame but the distance it can cover per frame is that high that the vertical gradient returns a non-zero result. This makes it unreliable when going for a cap touchdown in stealth, because shocktrains are waiting for your stealth to finish - and thanks to the "nerf" now they have to wait 3s less.

Sorry, I'm a math guy, so I'd rather explain it in easier terms. Numbers are made up.

You run in a flat-ish terrain which is inclined 2%. Let's assume the landing animation procs when your vertical position changes > 0.05m between frames, and that this is a boundary that was set 4 years ago when slow bots were the norm, and nobody considered changing it any more because they tested and it worked.

An imaginary stalker, the fastest bot before Pursuer IIRC, running at 70m/s (whatever), at 10 frames/s, advances 7m/frame, and at 2% gradient, vertical position change is 0.035m/frame.
An imaginary Pursuer, running at 100m/s (whatever), at 10 frames/s, advances 10m/frame, and at a 2% gradient, vertical position change is 0.05m/frame instead, proc'ing the landing animation.

So now you get that your speed is working against you when it shouldn't. This is one of the reasons that sometimes I still play stalker, besides the much much smaller hit box and the advantage in circling.

Manning only plays full mk2 account that is given to him. He complains non stop.

Just some comments on your listed options. 

Yes, you are helpful but unfortunately I cannot say the same thing about new economy!