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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 15, 2017 12:27:56 GMT -5
Hey forum peoples!
So, I'm having trouble deciding this. Mostly because I'm still not very good at piloting the Rhino. However, I can see its potential...
My biggest holdup with the Rhino is the painfully slow movement speed. My play style involves a lot of side-stepping and, well, the Rhino kinda sucks at that... In all fairness, I haven't upgraded it past level 4 yet, whereas all my other bots are 7s.
I already run an Ork/Aphid Griff, as well as a Plasmahad (so please don't suggest Plasmahad). I like the maneuverability of the Griff over the Rhino, but I get the feeling that the Rhino will play the role better in the long run.
So, staying on topic of only PDB and only Rhino or Griffin, which do you think is the way to go?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 13:14:53 GMT -5
I practiced and practiced and really like the Rhino. Rush to flank, drop shield, start firing at the bad guys, waddle behind cover or raise shield if you get too much attention. Then drop shield and repeat, until someone really comes after you with rockets... That is probably noobish driving, but its what I do.
Mine is at level 7, going on 8 (takes two days on that upgrade). That said, the Griff at the same level only gives up 10k HP. It is more agile, it can back pedal, it can jump away. Griff to me really is the better bot. But b/c I like the Rhino, I still run it as my Plasma boat along with a Galahad, and leave the Griffs to carry the rockets. I think it may just boil down to personal preference.
I will be watching the thread as well to see the expert's take on the issue.
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Feb 15, 2017 13:24:44 GMT -5
I almost want to suggest the fugin for you then.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 15, 2017 14:35:30 GMT -5
Hey forum peoples! So, I'm having trouble deciding this. Mostly because I'm still not very good at piloting the Rhino. However, I can see its potential... My biggest holdup with the Rhino is the painfully slow movement speed. My play style involves a lot of side-stepping and, well, the Rhino kinda sucks at that... In all fairness, I haven't upgraded it past level 4 yet, whereas all my other bots are 7s. I already run an Ork/Aphid Griff, as well as a Plasmahad (so please don't suggest Plasmahad). I like the maneuverability of the Griff over the Rhino, but I get the feeling that the Rhino will play the role better in the long run. So, staying on topic of only PDB and only Rhino or Griffin, which do you think is the way to go? Thanks in advance! You are not going to like this reply. You can successfully go with either choice - the difference not that great really. It depends on the map really and what you see the usage of the bot --- here's my thinking. The PDB Rhino does better than the PDB Griffin on Springfield, Yamamtau, and Canyon. The PDB Griff does better than the PDB Rhino on DC and PP. On Shentzen they are about the same. I choose the Rhino version over the Griffin --- that's because I already have an OrkaAphid (2x) and a Plasmahad (2x). The PDB Rhino is the fast interceptor that I generally use at the late stages of a match, when beacons must be flipped and most red shield bots have been used already (the Griffin is not a good late stage beacon grabber and marginally less capable of taking back a contested beacon).
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 15, 2017 15:37:50 GMT -5
I think you answered your own question. I'm not a fan of rhinos at all. Any setup you can run on a Rhino, a griffin wears it better. Personally, I'd take evasion over speed any day, especially the griff/rhino speed/evasion comparison. I bought my rhino, used it, hated it, shelved it. Not the case with my griffins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:39:55 GMT -5
Plasma Galahad > Plasma Rhino > Plasma Fujin > Plasma Gareth > Plasma Griffin
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Post by Thunder Carnage on Feb 15, 2017 16:55:13 GMT -5
Imo plasma rhino is more general purpose and more tanky as well. If you are facing off against a thunder Carnage, the Rhino's shield is a lifesaver
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 15, 2017 20:57:58 GMT -5
Hey forum peoples! So, I'm having trouble deciding this. Mostly because I'm still not very good at piloting the Rhino. However, I can see its potential... My biggest holdup with the Rhino is the painfully slow movement speed. My play style involves a lot of side-stepping and, well, the Rhino kinda sucks at that... In all fairness, I haven't upgraded it past level 4 yet, whereas all my other bots are 7s. I already run an Ork/Aphid Griff, as well as a Plasmahad (so please don't suggest Plasmahad). I like the maneuverability of the Griff over the Rhino, but I get the feeling that the Rhino will play the role better in the long run. So, staying on topic of only PDB and only Rhino or Griffin, which do you think is the way to go? Thanks in advance! I have to say running both - I swap them out in plasma form. As stated above they both have different strengths on different maps. Rhino - power runner for beacons, and sentry duty to guard (tank style) Griffin - ambush style predator, can move front to back and side to side. For me its what suits my mood, I do always run an Aphid/Orkan Griffin. I also sub in a rdb Griffin & Carnage for mid range. To start with I would go with set up you lime most and are more comfortable with. I am sure in time you will have both. You are spending from different accounts so they should not be competing for funds.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 15, 2017 22:06:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:11:22 GMT -5
I cannot forget the [LA] guy that killed my Plasma Galahad 1-1 with a Plasma Rhino. Whenever my Tarans were firing, his shield was up, and when my Tarans were out of juice, his shield goes down and he pounds me with plasma.
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Post by moody on Feb 16, 2017 4:57:46 GMT -5
I cannot forget the [LA] guy that killed my Plasma Galahad 1-1 with a Plasma Rhino. Whenever my Tarans were firing, his shield was up, and when my Tarans were out of juice, his shield goes down and he pounds me with plasma. That is when the griffin uses its escape jump.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 16, 2017 8:16:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies!
It seems like 6 of one, half-dozen of the other...
Ultimately I want to upgrade both bots so I can swap out the weapons whenever I feel like a change. Problem is, right now I really want to focus my upgrades. I keep backtracking when I think some other configuration might be better, and then several days of upgrades later, changing my mind and reverting.
It sounds like the biggest difference between the two is that the Rhino is better suited for playing defense, whereas the Griffin has a slight edge playing offense. I much prefer playing offense.
Right now, I'm leaning towards Griffin, and eventually replacing his Magnums with Aphids. I really like Aphids. Other than this game, I mostly play FPS games, and Aphids can be used like grenades in that regard.
This may seem like a rambling post, but it's how my mind is working right now.
Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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Post by RightOn on Feb 16, 2017 8:45:51 GMT -5
Plasmahad killed the radio star
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 16, 2017 12:42:57 GMT -5
I cannot forget the [LA] guy that killed my Plasma Galahad 1-1 with a Plasma Rhino. Whenever my Tarans were firing, his shield was up, and when my Tarans were out of juice, his shield goes down and he pounds me with plasma. The Galahad has a decent corner peeking ability. Not to mention, if the rhino raises his shields rush in close to his flank and get him there. He has to drop his shields to turn.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 16, 2017 14:23:44 GMT -5
I cannot forget the [LA] guy that killed my Plasma Galahad 1-1 with a Plasma Rhino. Whenever my Tarans were firing, his shield was up, and when my Tarans were out of juice, his shield goes down and he pounds me with plasma. The Galahad has a decent corner peeking ability. Not to mention, if the rhino raises his shields rush in close to his flank and get him there. He has to drop his shields to turn. This has nothing to do with anything. Total off-topic poopost. I specifically asked not to suggest Plasmahad as I already have one and I'm looking for a 2nd plasma bot that is NOT a Galahad. Furthermore, I refuse to take any advice from the author of "The New Seal Clubber's Guide".
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 16, 2017 14:27:45 GMT -5
I had read your guide before, but went back and read it again. A lot more sank in this time, so thank you! I have been running the Plasma Rhino for the last two days trying to make up my mind about it. The more I use it, the more I like it. Maybe I'll keep it around for a while. It's probably a lot better once it's properly levelled (currently at level 4 since I kept losing interest in it).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 17:37:28 GMT -5
I cannot forget the [LA] guy that killed my Plasma Galahad 1-1 with a Plasma Rhino. Whenever my Tarans were firing, his shield was up, and when my Tarans were out of juice, his shield goes down and he pounds me with plasma. That is when the griffin uses its escape jump. It was a 12/12 Rhino vs my 6/8 Galahad and I had to take back center beacon or we would lose the game.
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Post by moody on Feb 16, 2017 17:52:33 GMT -5
That is when the griffin uses its escape jump. It was a 12/12 Rhino vs my 6/8 Galahad and I had to take back center beacon or we would lose the game. Sorry. I misread and thought you were driving a Griffin. When an opponent is that many levels above you it can be all but impossible to triump regardless of how good your tactics are. I have done some wonderful things with a plasma rhino before. One on one at point blank range vs both a treb rajin and another plasma rhino and beat both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 19:27:28 GMT -5
It was a 12/12 Rhino vs my 6/8 Galahad and I had to take back center beacon or we would lose the game. Sorry. I misread and thought you were driving a Griffin. When an opponent is that many levels above you it can be all but impossible to triump regardless of how good your tactics are. I have done some wonderful things with a plasma rhino before. One on one at point blank range vs both a treb rajin and another plasma rhino and beat both of them. I would never pilot a Plasma Griffin. Too squishy and the weapon placement are horrible for corner shooting.
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Post by moody on Feb 16, 2017 19:37:26 GMT -5
Sorry. I misread and thought you were driving a Griffin. When an opponent is that many levels above you it can be all but impossible to triump regardless of how good your tactics are. I have done some wonderful things with a plasma rhino before. One on one at point blank range vs both a treb rajin and another plasma rhino and beat both of them. I would never pilot a Plasma Griffin. Too squishy and the weapon placement are horrible for corner shooting. I agree. Only plasma bots I would use are galahad and rhino, and my rhino has been mothballed for months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 19:38:19 GMT -5
I would never pilot a Plasma Griffin. Too squishy and the weapon placement are horrible for corner shooting. I agree. Only plasma bots I would use are galahad and rhino, and my rhino has been mothballed for months. Never used my Rhino since the matchmaking change.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 19, 2017 11:14:29 GMT -5
Even though I recommend Orks I'd still say PDB is safer on Rhino.
Aphids > Mags for Griffin. Tarans or Orks your choice.
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Post by mechtout on Feb 20, 2017 8:30:09 GMT -5
Griff moves better for corner shooting and has jump for ninja flanking or evading
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Feb 21, 2017 10:55:37 GMT -5
maybe have a rihno and a griffion with half plasma and half rocket
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Post by ewing411 on Feb 22, 2017 0:41:15 GMT -5
<snip> My biggest holdup with the Rhino is the painfully slow movement speed. My play style involves a lot of side-stepping and, well, the Rhino kinda sucks at that... In all fairness, I haven't upgraded it past level 4 yet, whereas all my other bots are 7s. <snip> Even at Bot 9 the sidestepping will still be trash. I want to pull my hair out every time I have to walk a corner. A unique part of Rihno piloting is deciding how much exposure you want to give up when a tight turn is coming. Oddly with the huge arc sometimes it is possible to quickly visually scan to the side. Without the targeting info it's harder to evaluate how much of a threat each indicator is. If you love to sidestep then you'll hate the Rihno.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 22, 2017 1:31:47 GMT -5
maybe have a rihno and a griffion with half plasma and half rocket NO, I cannot even begin to express how dumb that is. Plasma and rockets have completely different playstyles and counter completely different types of bots.
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Post by Spectre951 on Feb 22, 2017 2:28:16 GMT -5
maybe have a rihno and a griffion with half plasma and half rocket NO, I cannot even begin to express how dumb that is. Plasma and rockets have completely different playstyles and counter completely different types of bots. Erm Hell fire rhino (rhino with 2 orkan 2 magnum) actually works pretty well. Keep the magnum fire on while shields on and let ur orkans reload. Deactive shield and unleash hell on red team
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Post by Strayed on Feb 22, 2017 2:29:27 GMT -5
He means one orkan, one taran, one pinata, one magnum.
And even then, the hellfire only works on the Rhino, it falls flat on its face on the griff. And normal dbs are pretty much going to cream you.
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Feb 22, 2017 12:36:11 GMT -5
maybe have a rihno and a griffion with half plasma and half rocket NO, I cannot even begin to express how dumb that is. Plasma and rockets have completely different playstyles and counter completely different types of bots. Thats why i suggested it, because you are never not doing damage, and, especially with the griffin, you can defiantly cause some havok if you figure out your groove. just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that you have to put me down
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Post by moody on Feb 22, 2017 17:44:02 GMT -5
NO, I cannot even begin to express how dumb that is. Plasma and rockets have completely different playstyles and counter completely different types of bots. Thats why i suggested it, because you are never not doing damage, and, especially with the griffin, you can defiantly cause some havok if you figure out your groove. just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that you have to put me down It is essentially trying to be a jack of all trades, master of none. The generally better idea is to scope out as best you can what your opponent is and pick your fights. (sure, sometimes you'll get it wrong). a half plasma/half rocket rhino is not going to do a good job against much of anything, but it will cause some small amount of damage to everything. (except an ancilotte).
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