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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 13:41:48 GMT -5
Ok people, let's tone it back just a bit, myself included. I can't count the number of times I've been top scorer and got no beacons while losing a match. I tried to get beacons for sure but I had the good luck to have a few players beat me to them. Which ain't that hard and you know damn well that it has happened more than once to yourselves. So let's back off just a hair on the un-teammate rhetoric for a bit. To be fair part of the problem is the way rewards are associated with damage. Many players are in a dearth of Ag needed for upgrades and therefore are not interested in winning if they don't receive the most Ag and Au. Of course you get no Au for losing but you can pack in a ?dookie?load of Ag if you score top damages. And for beacon capture modes this is counterintuitive to the main objective. But I still see it this way despite the possibility of higher rewards for most damage. If a player is participating in a game with teams in it and they don't really care about winning then why the ?fluffernutter? are they even playing the game? Yeah, but have you managed to get three times the amount of damage compared to anyone else on either team without being in the wrong league?
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Post by rags on Jun 8, 2018 13:49:38 GMT -5
Forgot about your name lol. Anhways, I reread and decided to pull back the rage a bit. He may not be clubbing, but clueless for sure. How the eff did he make it to Diamond and not know about beacons? hmm but he like 3x as much dmg as anyone on his team.... guess what the red team can’t do if they’re dead? That’s right, get beacons.
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 8, 2018 13:51:53 GMT -5
Forgot about your name lol. Anhways, I reread and decided to pull back the rage a bit. He may not be clubbing, but clueless for sure. How the eff did he make it to Diamond and not know about beacons? hmm but he like 3x as much dmg as anyone on his team.... guess what the red team can’t do if they’re dead? That’s right, get beacons. . . .and they still lost! ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/nerd.png)
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Jun 8, 2018 13:52:34 GMT -5
I'm beginning to suspect a lot of players read it as "Bacon" and since I’m vegetarian, I don’t want to go grab the bacon ?. Seriously though, I’ve gotten 11 beacons in one game, take a while guess which bot I used... we still lost that match cuz my team meched out. I believe neither hold more importance than the other, and you should just do what you can to win.
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Jun 8, 2018 13:53:13 GMT -5
Ok people, let's tone it back just a bit, myself included. I can't count the number of times I've been top scorer and got no beacons while losing a match. I tried to get beacons for sure but I had the good luck to have a few players beat me to them. Which ain't that hard and you know damn well that it has happened more than once to yourselves. So let's back off just a hair on the un-teammate rhetoric for a bit. To be fair part of the problem is the way rewards are associated with damage. Many players are in a dearth of Ag needed for upgrades and therefore are not interested in winning if they don't receive the most Ag and Au. Of course you get no Au for losing but you can pack in a ?dookie?load of Ag if you score top damages. And for beacon capture modes this is counterintuitive to the main objective. But I still see it this way despite the possibility of higher rewards for most damage. If a player is participating in a game with teams in it and they don't really care about winning then why the ?fluffernutter? are they even playing the game? Yeah, but have you managed to get three times the amount of damage compared to anyone else on either team without being in the wrong league? the most I’ve done is double, in the correct league
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Post by Poopface on Jun 8, 2018 13:55:00 GMT -5
Forgot about your name lol. Anhways, I reread and decided to pull back the rage a bit. I saw. It's all good. Nice job self-correcting.
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Post by KindCalf4147402 on Jun 8, 2018 14:24:28 GMT -5
Forgot about your name lol. Anhways, I reread and decided to pull back the rage a bit. He may not be clubbing, but clueless for sure. How the eff did he make it to Diamond and not know about beacons? I literally posted my hangar to show I'm not clubbing. And I dedicate 2 bots in my hangar specifically for beacon rushing. The point of this is not a single person on my team contributed anything. If you have one or two people killing everyone like I do, team mates should take the opportunity to grab beacons. Should I sacrifice my main damage dealer, in games like this where my team does nothing, than I am doing the team a disservice by letting them take other key positions while I attempt to cover our deficit. With my Fury, I can literally keep an entire half of the map clear of enemies. And that Fury is about to get its 2nd dragoon, like 1k components away.
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 8, 2018 14:37:12 GMT -5
Forgot about your name lol. Anhways, I reread and decided to pull back the rage a bit. He may not be clubbing, but clueless for sure. How the eff did he make it to Diamond and not know about beacons? I literally posted my hangar to show I'm not clubbing. And I dedicate 2 bots in my hangar specifically for beacon rushing. The point of this is not a single person on my team contributed anything. If you have one or two people killing everyone like I do, team mates should take the opportunity to grab beacons. Should I sacrifice my main damage dealer, in games like this where my team does nothing, than I am doing the team a disservice by letting them take other key positions while I attempt to cover our deficit. With my Fury, I can literally keep an entire half of the map clear of enemies. And that Fury is about to get its 2nd dragoon, like 1k components away. Ok, well. . .I did retract my statement that you were clubbing, read up. My appologies for that. However, in my previous experience there have been many occasions where I have pulled a win in your situation just be staying small and fast and capping beacons, to the extent where I was the last man standing. I may have scored low on damage points, but managed carried my team. . .and that is with no dash bots. It has also been my experience where my team could have easily won, if someone like you would have helped me focus on the objective at hand instead of trying to brawl. Bottom line is to stay on target, you never know what can happen. Don't blame the team here, because by general standards you weren't any better at contibuting to the win in this case. I
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 14:39:01 GMT -5
@kindcalf4147402 Bro you probably know the following, but it's what crossed my mind and perhaps they will help.
General 1. Rule of thumb for beacons is don't allow a 3-2 for more than 1,5 min. As soon as you see the switch to 3-2 check the battle timer. On the one minute mark after that, if things haven't changed start thinking how to position your self to shift the balance. You can stretch this a bit but be careful. 2. Count heads. Check the top screen for how many reds are left. As soon as you can can shift your torso abruptly left and right and count red arrows. Do this as often as you can and it must become natural to you "as breathing". This will help you gain battlefield cognition, cause you will know how many they are and where they are. By extension, it will help you spot the reds shifting strategy as well as provide you, with windows of opportunity for beacon capturing. 3. Flip to white then kill. If you kill and then try to flip, he will spawn back and will kill you. Marginal white will do also cause of the time needed to respawn. 4. Push that red. As long as he is in the radius it won't flip. Hit him as if you are going for the kill so he backs off a bit and let him feel certain for the kill. While he is backing up, your approach should be done in semi circular trajectory. This will result in you heading back full speed, while firing with your rotated torso (so you can flip the beacon) and he will have his legs pointing in a direction opposite to the beacon, cause was he backing up. This will give you precious seconds for the flip or capture. 5. Check teammates when spawn. Sometimes everybody is happy and just going for center beacon. Remedy that. 6. Time your beacon runner. Start a custom match, just run with it and keep checking the timer. You must have a feel, how much time you need.
Technicalities 1. Beacon is credited to all bots within the radius, the moment of the capture. Just put your toe in a bit at the end. 2. Stealth is activated 1-2 seconds after pressing the button and you can get shocked while in it.
General non sense If they are loosing, they have the problem and you know where they will go. If you are loosing, you have the problem and they know where you will go
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Post by KindCalf4147402 on Jun 8, 2018 15:01:45 GMT -5
I literally posted my hangar to show I'm not clubbing. And I dedicate 2 bots in my hangar specifically for beacon rushing. The point of this is not a single person on my team contributed anything. If you have one or two people killing everyone like I do, team mates should take the opportunity to grab beacons. Should I sacrifice my main damage dealer, in games like this where my team does nothing, than I am doing the team a disservice by letting them take other key positions while I attempt to cover our deficit. With my Fury, I can literally keep an entire half of the map clear of enemies. And that Fury is about to get its 2nd dragoon, like 1k components away. Ok, well. . .I did retract my statement that you were clubbing, read up. My appologies for that. However, in my previous experience there have been many occasions where I have pulled a win in your situation just be staying small and fast and capping beacons, to the extent where I was the last man standing. I may have scored low on damage points, but managed carried my team. . .and that is with no dash bots. It has also been my experience where my team could have easily won, if someone like you would have helped me focus on the objective at hand instead of trying to brawl. Bottom line is to stay on target, you never know what can happen. Don't blame the team here, because by general standards you weren't any better at contibuting to the win in this case. I I have a gust stalker and a thunder carnage for beacon rushing. I will literally stay in the stalker beacon capping until I die, and usually I get 3-4 kills with it. Hell, literally last game I played, KOTH, I rushed center at start, got 3 kills, lost stalker, rushed their next beacon with my carnage and got 2 kills, died. Spawned in Fury, looked at the bar, and 3 people on their team had already meched out. I am no stranger to beacon grabbing. Once those two bots are gone, I spend the rest of the game in my Fury. While in the fury, within 5 seconds, I will deal just under 80k damage every time I fire, until dragoon starts slowfiring of course. Hence why I can literally keep half the map clear of reds. Anything in my range is crippled/dead. Literally, any team mates I can help, are getting a free ticket out of their immediate fight, saved from death whatever etc. If I see my team rushing a beacon occupied by reds, I will help. However, if half the red team is rushing the opposite side of where my team is, I will focus on the opposite side to prevent us from being flanked. I put my firepower where it's needed most, whether it's clearing the way for my teams advance, preventing a flank/beacon defending, anything I aim at dies. It's not my fault my team can't take advantage of the gaping holes in enemy lines I leave. However as someone else said my "holding the door open strategy" didn't work because the reds were doing it too, and I should have countersniped their sniper. However that couldn't have worked because my team freaking refused to rush forward and give me body shields, and no one was covering me either, so had I walked forward, I would have been a big bag of silver for their entire team advancing. Support shouldn't brawl. Heavy support should "keep the doors open, etc" while the team advances under my iron curtain. Example, I played a KOTH on Carrier the other day, and Reds had the 2nd beacon. So I walked my fury all the way to the side where I could have a clean LOS on it, and not a single Red was able to make it to the beacon before I redrumed them. However, EVERY one of my team consisted of Kumihos, and were all camping the 3rd beacon on our side, before it even changed. I literally sat there killing reds for over a minute, and not a single blue tried to take the beacon. I cannot stop a team from being useless nor can I make them see the door I am opening, much less take advantage of my iron curtain. This is where knowledge of your team comes in. If the direction you're going has a Fury giving you support, you should freaking rush because the moment a red pokes their head out, they won't be able to walk, leaving you with a quick and easy kill. Therefore I am not the clueless one. The clueless are the ones not taking advantage of the iron curtain I provide. And yes I read up, sorry for accusing you of accusing me, my bad.
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 8, 2018 15:15:27 GMT -5
Stuff I said after you said stuff. A lengthy explanation that probably should have been included in your OP, instaed of a gripe with a screenshot. Okay! Well, I digress good sir. I am wrong in this case, it seems you did everything you could in spite of your crap team. Next time give us all the details right out of the chute and we may better empathise. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 8, 2018 15:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 15:58:23 GMT -5
Look at this crap. What more should I do ffs ![](https://i.imgur.com/hjmonaS.png)
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Post by windcaster on Jun 8, 2018 17:25:00 GMT -5
Look at this crap. What more should I do ffs ![](https://i.imgur.com/hjmonaS.png) Well I'd say not much else you could do.. damn 12 beacons? was ya'll taking turns finishing your daily task or something? Looks like you had 1 that didn't spawn.. and another was probably simply lost on their way to the bathroom. You was doomed from the start.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 8, 2018 17:32:24 GMT -5
Look at this crap. What more should I do ffs ![](https://i.imgur.com/hjmonaS.png) Well I'd say not much else you could do.. damn 12 beacons? was ya'll taking turns finishing your daily task or something? Looks like you had 1 that didn't spawn.. and another was probably simply lost on their way to the bathroom. You was doomed from the start. I hate when I end up in the living room instead of the bathroom... I retrace my steps and try again and... BOOM, right back in the living room. *mind blown*
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Post by windcaster on Jun 8, 2018 17:50:25 GMT -5
I hate when I end up in the living room instead of the bathroom... I retrace my steps and try again and... BOOM, right back in the living room. *mind blown* Guess now we know why the plants in the living room keep dying. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Jun 8, 2018 19:43:14 GMT -5
Well I'd say not much else you could do.. damn 12 beacons? was ya'll taking turns finishing your daily task or something? Looks like you had 1 that didn't spawn.. and another was probably simply lost on their way to the bathroom. You was doomed from the start. I hate when I end up in the living room instead of the bathroom... I retrace my steps and try again and... BOOM, right back in the living room. *mind blown* ![](http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/i-am-not-a-clever-man-comic.jpg)
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jun 8, 2018 19:56:34 GMT -5
Ok people, let's tone it back just a bit, myself included. I can't count the number of times I've been top scorer and got no beacons while losing a match. I tried to get beacons for sure but I had the good luck to have a few players beat me to them. Which ain't that hard and you know damn well that it has happened more than once to yourselves. So let's back off just a hair on the un-teammate rhetoric for a bit. To be fair part of the problem is the way rewards are associated with damage. Many players are in a dearth of Ag needed for upgrades and therefore are not interested in winning if they don't receive the most Ag and Au. Of course you get no Au for losing but you can pack in a ?dookie?load of Ag if you score top damages. And for beacon capture modes this is counterintuitive to the main objective. But I still see it this way despite the possibility of higher rewards for most damage. If a player is participating in a game with teams in it and they don't really care about winning then why the ?fluffernutter? are they even playing the game? Yeah, but have you managed to get three times the amount of damage compared to anyone else on either team without being in the wrong league? Yes, many times. Both in the Android servers and Amazon. Everyone gets lucky(wait, we are talking about a losing match right?) a few times and has it happen to them. And almost as often it is another player of the same rank as myself who has the next three-four times less points than myself. First appearances are not always correct and you know this. You're way too smart not to.,?
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Post by Big Pappa 38 on Jun 8, 2018 20:30:34 GMT -5
![](https://i.imgur.com/fcUjGlv.png) Try getting a beacon. Your team did all the work.
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Post by rags on Jun 8, 2018 21:37:23 GMT -5
hmm but he like 3x as much dmg as anyone on his team.... guess what the red team can’t do if they’re dead? That’s right, get beacons. . . .and they still lost! ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/nerd.png) Well maybe that dude who did 50k dmg could have made himself a little more useful lolol
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Post by rags on Jun 8, 2018 21:42:11 GMT -5
Look at this crap. What more should I do ffs ![](https://i.imgur.com/hjmonaS.png) Only 12?? Bro why didn’t you get more beacons ?? Damage hog smh
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Post by rags on Jun 8, 2018 21:43:30 GMT -5
Oh yea how about when there’s 3 kumihos on ur team and somehow u get 4 capped in the first minute ? my b let me walk my griff over there and get that for u
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Post by rags on Jun 8, 2018 21:47:48 GMT -5
I’ve been defending this dude but I will say this man, sounds like u sat in ur fury the whole game.... If you’ve been in your range bot for more than 5 minutes and your losing on the bacons then it’s time to ditch her and try to take things into your own hands.
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 8, 2018 22:13:18 GMT -5
I’ve been defending this dude but I will say this man, sounds like u sat in ur fury the whole game.... If you’ve been in your range bot for more than 5 minutes and your losing on the bacons then it’s time to ditch her and try to take things into your own hands. This too ^^
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 7:21:52 GMT -5
Look at this crap. What more should I do ffs ![](https://i.imgur.com/hjmonaS.png) Only 12?? Bro why didnâ??t you get more beacons ?? Damage hog smh Can't resist. Iam a damage ?hot stuff?. I admit it hihi. P.S. 1/3 matches is two blue not playing. Like some freaking Sith version for war robots. The apprentice and the master, but here only one strangely enough. ![](https://i.imgur.com/YPSJCAc.png)
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Post by KindCalf4147402 on Jun 9, 2018 11:17:03 GMT -5
@kindcalf4147402 Bro you probably know the following, but it's what crossed my mind and perhaps they will help. General1. Rule of thumb for beacons is don't allow a 3-2 for more than 1,5 min. As soon as you see the switch to 3-2 check the battle timer. On the one minute mark after that, if things haven't changed start thinking how to position your self to shift the balance. You can stretch this a bit but be careful. 2. Count heads. Check the top screen for how many reds are left. As soon as you can can shift your torso abruptly left and right and count red arrows. Do this as often as you can and it must become natural to you "as breathing". This will help you gain battlefield cognition, cause you will know how many they are and where they are. By extension, it will help you spot the reds shifting strategy as well as provide you, with windows of opportunity for beacon capturing. 3. Flip to white then kill. If you kill and then try to flip, he will spawn back and will kill you. Marginal white will do also cause of the time needed to respawn. 4. Push that red. As long as he is in the radius it won't flip. Hit him as if you are going for the kill so he backs off a bit and let him feel certain for the kill. While he is backing up, your approach should be done in semi circular trajectory. This will result in you heading back full speed, while firing with your rotated torso (so you can flip the beacon) and he will have his legs pointing in a direction opposite to the beacon, cause was he backing up. This will give you precious seconds for the flip or capture. 5. Check teammates when spawn. Sometimes everybody is happy and just going for center beacon. Remedy that. 6. Time your beacon runner. Start a custom match, just run with it and keep checking the timer. You must have a feel, how much time you need. Technicalities1. Beacon is credited to all bots within the radius, the moment of the capture. Just put your toe in a bit at the end. 2. Stealth is activated 1-2 seconds after pressing the button and you can get shocked while in it. General non senseIf they are loosing, they have the problem and you know where they will go. If you are loosing, you have the problem and they know where you will goGotta love stealth latency eh? And that's actually great advice for beacon capping. One time I was in my DB Griffin, Dead City, on the enemy teams sniper perch capping the beacon, and molot griffin decided to jump up, so I waited for him to land, and used my jump to launch him back off. Center beacon? Mu fury empties center beacon from 600mXD 71k damage in -5seconds
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Post by Ingoa Kore on Jun 9, 2018 12:03:53 GMT -5
Okay, I'm the first to admit that KoH blows, but if that's what I'm dealt, I go for it. Others on the other hand, don't seem to get the jist of KoH. Come on guys, it's not rocket science. ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/237f4db8df653e4fe677d0e7e6f6315c.jpg) Fair dues to the enemy top scorer. They had high beacon capture as well, despite running four heavies and one medium.
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Post by KindCalf4147402 on Jun 9, 2018 12:19:41 GMT -5
Okay, I'm the first to admit that KoH blows, but if that's what I'm dealt, I go for it. Others on the other hand, don't seem to get the jist of KoH. Come on guys, it's not rocket science. ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/237f4db8df653e4fe677d0e7e6f6315c.jpg) Dude I find myself in this exact same position so much. KOTH is actually my favorite playlist, because you can attack a beacon for the highest points. I go effin hard in KOTH because it's easyXD You have to know how the beacon bar works, I made a very extensive accurate post on how the KOTH beacons work, it's in the first dozenish posts on my profile, for every map.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jun 9, 2018 12:54:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but have you managed to get three times the amount of damage compared to anyone else on either team without being in the wrong league? the most I’ve done is double, in the correct league You'll love this. Correct "league" and everything. ![](https://i.imgur.com/ypx8YP7.png)
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Jun 9, 2018 22:17:46 GMT -5
the most I’ve done is double, in the correct league You'll love this. Correct "league" and everything. ![](https://i.imgur.com/ypx8YP7.png) yeah, I don’t know whether to love it or be sad for you... you did very well that game with little to no help. I’ve been playing my wife’s account a bit, just to confirm my suspicions about time length to get into 6/6, the most I got was 500k to 144k which is like 3.2x, you’re is like 10-1, a huge spread. Gotta love matchmaker, cuz I feel like they know people like that are likely to act that way; otherwise why would two tankers be on opposite sides of team in many games
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