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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 4:58:22 GMT -5
7,800 victories. Diamond 2: 2779 pts Champion wings: 13306 LvL: 12 Inq MKII / MKII LVL 12 weaps Bulgusari, Spectre, Haechix2 all MK2 LvL12 with MKII LvL 12 weaps. On another note. Is Pix ever going to prevent the ability to run a hangar with less than maximum number of bots. i.e Hangar 1: 5 bots. Hangar 2: 1 bot. Gimme the ID of this player. Will put him through a rigorous re-examination. Thanks, sent you a PM. |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 15, 2018 6:26:46 GMT -5
Gimme the ID of this player. Will put him through a rigorous re-examination. Thanks, sent you a PM. How is penalizing players for running weak equipment a good thing? We have an inventory and access to it. We have a choice in what equipment we can run in our hangers. We know HOW tanking is done. PIXONIC just needs to step up and fix it so that ranking points are not lost beyond the last rank a player attains. PIXONIC cannot start penalizing players for playing with the equipment that we earn and buy. That's bullpoo. They need to simply close the doors and lock them behind players as they move up. I don't care if a Master or Champion player wants to run a full hanger of level 1 whatever. I care that they can actually lose ranking so that when they suddenly change their hangers back to Mk2 12s all around they become a real annoyance in whatever tier ranking that is below their own highest earned rankings. PIXONIC IS SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR TANKING. THEREFORE PIXONIC SHOULD OWN UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AND FIX THE SITUATION. PIXONIC SHOULD NOT PENALIZE PLAYERS FOR SIMPLY USING PIXONIC'S STUPID SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE. |
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Post by hjn on Mar 15, 2018 6:34:17 GMT -5
Battle rewards now available for me and with previously acquired points.
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 7:38:14 GMT -5
Gimme the ID of this player. Will put him through a rigorous re-examination. How? Do.you work for pix? You talk like you do but most of your answers don't seem to contain authority.... and some appear to be just based on your observations... When you say you are a mod / content creator... it sounds like you just moderate comments in the website... Not trying to be rude but a lot of your answers make it sounds like we have a direct line to pix... which would be very, very nice... I have a direct line to Tofsla and other CMs, and insider info. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 7:38:42 GMT -5
Battle rewards now available for me and with previously acquired points. Thanks Yes, we fixed that for everyone. Phew..now for the other fixes... |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 7:39:17 GMT -5
Gimme the ID of this player. Will put him through a rigorous re-examination. Thanks, sent you a PM. Got and dropped the player in question for examination. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 7:45:53 GMT -5
How is penalizing players for running weak equipment a good thing? We have an inventory and access to it. We have a choice in what equipment we can run in our hangers. We know HOW tanking is done. PIXONIC just needs to step up and fix it so that ranking points are not lost beyond the last rank a player attains. PIXONIC cannot start penalizing players for playing with the equipment that we earn and buy. That's bullpoo. They need to simply close the doors and lock them behind players as they move up. I don't care if a Master or Champion player wants to run a full hanger of level 1 whatever. I care that they can actually lose ranking so that when they suddenly change their hangers back to Mk2 12s all around they become a real annoyance in whatever tier ranking that is below their own highest earned rankings. PIXONIC IS SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR TANKING. THEREFORE PIXONIC SHOULD OWN UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AND FIX THE SITUATION. PIXONIC SHOULD NOT PENALIZE PLAYERS FOR SIMPLY USING PIXONIC'S STUPID SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE. I am on the same side if that wasn't apparent already. We too want players to have the freedom to run whatever they want, whenever, whereever. But while it allows Champions to roam around with Cossacks, it also lets some roam with Shock-Bulgasaris in Bronze (By chests, RM, BM whatever). We are trying to clamp down a definition of tanking while similarly maintaining the players' freedom. That's why its taking so long...we don't have a centralised universal theory of exactly what behaviour constitutes tanking since so many people adopt so many ways to try to game the game. The worse part? when we do make a strict theory of what is tanking, we'll see people trying to exploit the loopholes around it. Hence like how it was done with loaders, we'll try to being concrete solutions when we bring them,even if it's a bit late. |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 15, 2018 10:29:48 GMT -5
How is penalizing players for running weak equipment a good thing? We have an inventory and access to it. We have a choice in what equipment we can run in our hangers. We know HOW tanking is done. PIXONIC just needs to step up and fix it so that ranking points are not lost beyond the last rank a player attains. PIXONIC cannot start penalizing players for playing with the equipment that we earn and buy. That's bullpoo. They need to simply close the doors and lock them behind players as they move up. I don't care if a Master or Champion player wants to run a full hanger of level 1 whatever. I care that they can actually lose ranking so that when they suddenly change their hangers back to Mk2 12s all around they become a real annoyance in whatever tier ranking that is below their own highest earned rankings. PIXONIC IS SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR TANKING. THEREFORE PIXONIC SHOULD OWN UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AND FIX THE SITUATION. PIXONIC SHOULD NOT PENALIZE PLAYERS FOR SIMPLY USING PIXONIC'S STUPID SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE. I am on the same side if that wasn't apparent already. We too want players to have the freedom to run whatever they want, whenever, whereever. But while it allows Champions to roam around with Cossacks, it also lets some roam with Shock-Bulgasaris in Bronze (By chests, RM, BM whatever). We are trying to clamp down a definition of tanking while similarly maintaining the players' freedom. That's why its taking so long...we don't have a centralised universal theory of exactly what behaviour constitutes tanking since so many people adopt so many ways to try to game the game. The worse part? when we do make a strict theory of what is tanking, we'll see people trying to exploit the loopholes around it. Hence like how it was done with loaders, we'll try to being concrete solutions when we bring them,even if it's a bit late. ? ? ? What idiot decided there needed to be a discussion on what defines tanking?? Locking players ranks at the highest they attain makes any definition of tanking irrelevant. Because it would be impossible to tank at all. It's a very simple solution done with a few simple keystrokes. Trying to "define" tanking makes it appear that PIXONIC does not actually want to make the easy fix to it at all. This is NOT a complicated issue as PIXONIC keeps claiming. They really must think we are stupid(or they are) to believe that line of bullpoo. It's simply a matter of adding some lines of code to prevent tanking from ever happening. Then it would not matter what players ran in their hangers anymore because their rankings would stay at whatever rank they last acquired. No tanking, no clubbing, no more problem. It actually is that very simple. If so many players out here can easily point out the problem and the solution then what is taking PIXONIC so long to see it and fix it? It has been over a year already. That is way too damn long. Either PIXONIC has an inept group of programmers with little to no imagination or capability. Or, and this is my thought, they are and have been deliberately and intentionally fomenting dissension and frustration in order to goad players into opening their wallets. But it has backfired on them badly. |
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Post by Domino on Mar 15, 2018 11:04:12 GMT -5
I am on the same side if that wasn't apparent already. We too want players to have the freedom to run whatever they want, whenever, whereever. But while it allows Champions to roam around with Cossacks, it also lets some roam with Shock-Bulgasaris in Bronze (By chests, RM, BM whatever). We are trying to clamp down a definition of tanking while similarly maintaining the players' freedom. That's why its taking so long...we don't have a centralised universal theory of exactly what behaviour constitutes tanking since so many people adopt so many ways to try to game the game. The worse part? when we do make a strict theory of what is tanking, we'll see people trying to exploit the loopholes around it. Hence like how it was done with loaders, we'll try to being concrete solutions when we bring them,even if it's a bit late. ? ? ? What idiot decided there needed to be a discussion on what defines tanking?? Locking players ranks at the highest they attain makes any definition of tanking irrelevant. Because it would be impossible to tank at all. It's a very simple solution done with a few simple keystrokes. Trying to "define" tanking makes it appear that PIXONIC does not actually want to make the easy fix to it at all. This is NOT a complicated issue as PIXONIC keeps claiming. They really must think we are stupid(or they are) to believe that line of bullpoo. It's simply a matter of adding some lines of code to prevent tanking from ever happening. Then it would not matter what players ran in their hangers anymore because their rankings would stay at whatever rank they last acquired. No tanking, no clubbing, no more problem. It actually is that very simple. If so many players out here can easily point out the problem and the solution then what is taking PIXONIC so long to see it and fix it? It has been over a year already. That is way too damn long. Either PIXONIC has an inept group of programmers with little to no imagination or capability. Or, and this is my thought, they are and have been deliberately and intentionally fomenting dissension and frustration in order to goad players into opening their wallets. But it has backfired on them badly. Let's keep this civil. Why? is trying to help, so put forth your ideas in a organized direct statement and leave it... No need to try to convince people. Let's say you put a cap on 2 leagues lower. So a Champion could go to Master 3? In Master 3 they are still going to clubbing in that league with high level gear. So they would just tank/club/tank/club more repeatedly. You still have a problem. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 11:30:49 GMT -5
? ? ? What idiot decided there needed to be a discussion on what defines tanking?? Locking players ranks at the highest they attain makes any definition of tanking irrelevant. Because it would be impossible to tank at all. It's a very simple solution done with a few simple keystrokes. Trying to "define" tanking makes it appear that PIXONIC does not actually want to make the easy fix to it at all. This is NOT a complicated issue as PIXONIC keeps claiming. They really must think we are stupid(or they are) to believe that line of bullpoo. It's simply a matter of adding some lines of code to prevent tanking from ever happening. Then it would not matter what players ran in their hangers anymore because their rankings would stay at whatever rank they last acquired. No tanking, no clubbing, no more problem. It actually is that very simple. If so many players out here can easily point out the problem and the solution then what is taking PIXONIC so long to see it and fix it? It has been over a year already. That is way too damn long. Either PIXONIC has an inept group of programmers with little to no imagination or capability. Or, and this is my thought, they are and have been deliberately and intentionally fomenting dissension and frustration in order to goad players into opening their wallets. But it has backfired on them badly. Let's keep this civil. Why? is trying to help, so put forth your ideas in a organized direct statement and leave it... No need to try to convince people. Let's say you put a cap on 2 leagues lower. So a Champion could go to Master 3? In Master 3 they are still going to clubbing in that league with high level gear. So they would just tank/club/tank/club more repeatedly. You still have a problem. Thanks  Also it'll create a solid wall of players at the lowest possible tabking cap that'll stop anyone else from progressing. It'll just creatre a league by league tanking biome. Also let's say I'm not very good at playing, I squad up with my buddies/ play during an off time with the best players absent. I vault up a new league. Next thing I know all the tankers in that league come down and beat me up. MM can't sort me into lower league according to my skill level since sliding down is locked. There are a lot of things to consider here. I mean when we get tanker report forms, we have to check it manually since it depends on so many factors, it's that intricate. I really wish we could help faster, but it'll take time. But we will arrive there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 11:37:09 GMT -5
So go back to the hangar based system it was far superior to what we have. Only one change, move Gepards up a tier.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 15, 2018 11:44:08 GMT -5
Let's keep this civil. Why? is trying to help, so put forth your ideas in a organized direct statement and leave it... No need to try to convince people. Let's say you put a cap on 2 leagues lower. So a Champion could go to Master 3? In Master 3 they are still going to clubbing in that league with high level gear. So they would just tank/club/tank/club more repeatedly. You still have a problem. Believe me, there will be firetrucks, plural, when I get uncivil. I'm simply stating fact, and my own opinion of course. And no, locking ranks behind players will kill tanking. Matchmaking, now that is another story altogether. IF tanking is dealt with properly that is. But that too is on PIXONIC and they have the obligation to deal with that issue as well. If Masters and Champion leagues are so boring that players can hardly stand it and MM times are taking too long then that too is on PIXONIC. From what I gather even the top players are getting sick of seeing STs and OP bots all the time. Maybe PIXONIC should have heeded beta feedback instead of going balls out for the almighty ruble. If PIXONIC had not implemented multiple hangers they could have went back to a decent hanger based MM. One that made those ridiculous "leagues" less than useless. The old MM just needed some tweaking to keep clubbing from becoming a problem. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 11:56:20 GMT -5
So go back to the hangar based system it was far superior to what we have. Only one change, move Gepards up a tier. All I can say is that nothing is off the table. However, if indeed the hangar-based approach is adopted in future, it'll need quite some work trying to assign weightage to each weapon, levels especially after MKII. |
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Post by Domino on Mar 15, 2018 11:56:44 GMT -5
Let's keep this civil. Why? is trying to help, so put forth your ideas in a organized direct statement and leave it... No need to try to convince people. Let's say you put a cap on 2 leagues lower. So a Champion could go to Master 3? In Master 3 they are still going to clubbing in that league with high level gear. So they would just tank/club/tank/club more repeatedly. You still have a problem. Believe me, there will be firetrucks, plural, when I get uncivil. I'm simply stating fact, and my own opinion of course. And no, locking ranks behind players will kill tanking. Matchmaking, now that is another story altogether. IF tanking is dealt with properly that is. But that too is on PIXONIC and they have the obligation to deal with that issue as well. If Masters and Champion leagues are so boring that players can hardly stand it and MM times are taking too long then that too is on PIXONIC. From what I gather even the top players are getting sick of seeing STs and OP bots all the time. Maybe PIXONIC should have heeded beta feedback instead of going balls out for the almighty ruble. If PIXONIC had not implemented multiple hangers they could have went back to a decent hanger based MM. One that made those ridiculous "leagues" less than useless. The old MM just needed some tweaking to keep clubbing from becoming a problem. I agree that implementing a 2-3 league drop limit, (not full leagues but If you make Master 3, you can only fall back to Expert 3) will help. However I can appreciate it being a bit more complicated then that and might still only be a band-aid rather then a full out solution. I'm afraid that a few recent changes from Pixonic has created a new ceiling for Champions. People who do not adapt will get left behind. MK2/multiple Hangar/DIESS will split that group so TT will not have any big spenders as weapon/bot strength > skill to a large degree, so you either join or get left behind. Dust still needs to settle (which is hard with all the new content). A lot of factors in play here, it's one of those rare times were I'd actually like the developer to stop making new content!  Stop, balanace, bugfix, new features but not new content until the dust has settled. |
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Post by Domino on Mar 15, 2018 11:59:53 GMT -5
So go back to the hangar based system it was far superior to what we have. Only one change, move Gepards up a tier. All I can say is that nothing is off the table. However, if indeed the hangar-based approach is adopted in future, it'll need quite some work trying to assign weightage to each weapon, levels especially after MKII. It will however it is doable. I'm sure a Hybrid of the two might solve a lot of issues. There's a benefit to having a progression system like leagues where the old system would have failed. Again, a hybrid might be that solution |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 15, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -5
Believe me, there will be firetrucks, plural, when I get uncivil. I'm simply stating fact, and my own opinion of course. And no, locking ranks behind players will kill tanking. Matchmaking, now that is another story altogether. IF tanking is dealt with properly that is. But that too is on PIXONIC and they have the obligation to deal with that issue as well. If Masters and Champion leagues are so boring that players can hardly stand it and MM times are taking too long then that too is on PIXONIC. From what I gather even the top players are getting sick of seeing STs and OP bots all the time. Maybe PIXONIC should have heeded beta feedback instead of going balls out for the almighty ruble. If PIXONIC had not implemented multiple hangers they could have went back to a decent hanger based MM. One that made those ridiculous "leagues" less than useless. The old MM just needed some tweaking to keep clubbing from becoming a problem. I agree that implementing a 2-3 league drop limit, (not full leagues but If you make Master 3, you can only fall back to Expert 3) will help. However I can appreciate it being a bit more complicated then that and might still only be a band-aid rather then a full out solution. I'm afraid that a few recent changes from Pixonic has created a new ceiling for Champions. People who do not adapt will get left behind. MK2/multiple Hangar/DIESS will split that group so TT will not have any big spenders as weapon/bot strength > skill to a large degree, so you either join or get left behind. Dust still needs to settle (which is hard with all the new content). A lot of factors in play here, it's one of those rare times were I'd actually like the developer to stop making new content! Stop, balanace, bugfix, new features but not new content until the dust has settled. ? ? ? Where are you reading anywhere in my statements that there would be an allowable drop in league standings?? I went back and reread my statements just to see if I had somehow made such a ridiculous suggestion. I DID NOT. Let me make this plain. Players should be locked into the LAST highest league they have attained. If a player makes Expert 2 then they can never again be an Expert 1. THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS UP, NEVER DOWN. If a player attempts to lose ranking points the system should slam the door shut before a ranking loss ever occurs. Once at any league level then UP is the ONLY possible way to go. If they want to stay at a certain level then let them. It would be entirely up to them to maintain that if possible. |
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Post by Domino on Mar 15, 2018 12:25:42 GMT -5
I agree that implementing a 2-3 league drop limit, (not full leagues but If you make Master 3, you can only fall back to Expert 3) will help. However I can appreciate it being a bit more complicated then that and might still only be a band-aid rather then a full out solution. I'm afraid that a few recent changes from Pixonic has created a new ceiling for Champions. People who do not adapt will get left behind. MK2/multiple Hangar/DIESS will split that group so TT will not have any big spenders as weapon/bot strength > skill to a large degree, so you either join or get left behind. Dust still needs to settle (which is hard with all the new content). A lot of factors in play here, it's one of those rare times were I'd actually like the developer to stop making new content! Stop, balanace, bugfix, new features but not new content until the dust has settled. ? ? ? Where are you reading anywhere in my statements that there would be an allowable drop in league standings?? I went back and reread my statements just to see if I had somehow made such a ridiculous suggestion. I DID NOT. Let me make this plain. Players should be locked into the LAST highest league they have attained. If a player makes Expert 2 then they can never again be an Expert 1. THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS UP, NEVER DOWN. If a player attempts to lose ranking points the system should slam the door shut before a ranking loss ever occurs. Once at any league level then UP is the ONLY possible way to go. If they want to stay at a certain level then let them. It would be entirely up to them to maintain that if possible. Sorry, I tried to make your reasoning a bit more real life applicable however you really want the black/white approach. Sorry but I can't tell you how many times I've dropped from Champion to Master and i'm definitely not tanking in any way. MM just balance things out and if I kept facing MK2 shocktrains, I would have quit this game a long time ago. So if we did what you asked, I know for 100% certainty I would have left this game a long, long time ago. You need some movement, especially when you are on the cusp of a new league. |
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Post by Loganspawn on Mar 15, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5
I am on the same side if that wasn't apparent already. We too want players to have the freedom to run whatever they want, whenever, whereever. But while it allows Champions to roam around with Cossacks, it also lets some roam with Shock-Bulgasaris in Bronze (By chests, RM, BM whatever). We are trying to clamp down a definition of tanking while similarly maintaining the players' freedom. That's why its taking so long...we don't have a centralised universal theory of exactly what behaviour constitutes tanking since so many people adopt so many ways to try to game the game. The worse part? when we do make a strict theory of what is tanking, we'll see people trying to exploit the loopholes around it. Hence like how it was done with loaders, we'll try to being concrete solutions when we bring them,even if it's a bit late. ? ? ? What idiot decided there needed to be a discussion on what defines tanking?? Locking players ranks at the highest they attain makes any definition of tanking irrelevant. Because it would be impossible to tank at all. It's a very simple solution done with a few simple keystrokes. Trying to "define" tanking makes it appear that PIXONIC does not actually want to make the easy fix to it at all. This is NOT a complicated issue as PIXONIC keeps claiming. They really must think we are stupid(or they are) to believe that line of bullpoo. It's simply a matter of adding some lines of code to prevent tanking from ever happening. Then it would not matter what players ran in their hangers anymore because their rankings would stay at whatever rank they last acquired. No tanking, no clubbing, no more problem. It actually is that very simple. If so many players out here can easily point out the problem and the solution then what is taking PIXONIC so long to see it and fix it? It has been over a year already. That is way too damn long. Either PIXONIC has an inept group of programmers with little to no imagination or capability. Or, and this is my thought, they are and have been deliberately and intentionally fomenting dissension and frustration in order to goad players into opening their wallets. But it has backfired on them badly. HAHAH if you do not get the new meta you will drop eventually. So you really want to force people to pay?  I have seen my clan mates drop down to masters as their almost maxed MK1 stuff and old bots cant compete anymore. They were in champion for a long time. |
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Post by Domino on Mar 15, 2018 12:32:24 GMT -5
Another scenario is when a Clan carries a player to new leagues by squad play only. Then they kick the guy out, he's level 5 gear in Expert league. Good luck buddy
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 12:36:52 GMT -5
Let's keep this civil. Why? is trying to help, so put forth your ideas in a organized direct statement and leave it... No need to try to convince people. Let's say you put a cap on 2 leagues lower. So a Champion could go to Master 3? In Master 3 they are still going to clubbing in that league with high level gear. So they would just tank/club/tank/club more repeatedly. You still have a problem. Believe me, there will be firetrucks, plural, when I get uncivil. I'm simply stating fact, and my own opinion of course. And no, locking ranks behind players will kill tanking. Matchmaking, now that is another story altogether. IF tanking is dealt with properly that is. But that too is on PIXONIC and they have the obligation to deal with that issue as well. If Masters and Champion leagues are so boring that players can hardly stand it and MM times are taking too long then that too is on PIXONIC. From what I gather even the top players are getting sick of seeing STs and OP bots all the time. Maybe PIXONIC should have heeded beta feedback instead of going balls out for the almighty ruble. If PIXONIC had not implemented multiple hangers they could have went back to a decent hanger based MM. One that made those ridiculous "leagues" less than useless. The old MM just needed some tweaking to keep clubbing from becoming a problem. Just so we are clear on this, my outreach on this forum is my own initiative. While you or anyone else hasn't been that uncivil yet, but if they do, I'll simply delete thread , stop answering helping and move on, no skin off my back. Some of the criticism is well deserved, some isn't. What isn't deserved is an abundance of uncivil behaviour because I personally haven't given any cause for that. All the feedback and suggestion in this thread is collected and sent to people concerned, I can guarantee that. But uncivil behaviour(whether towards me or other commenters in this thread) makes it hard to continue this outreach. Just saying inb4 anyone tries to do that. |
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Post by ironstar on Mar 15, 2018 12:42:06 GMT -5
So go back to the hangar based system it was far superior to what we have. Only one change, move Gepards up a tier. All I can say is that nothing is off the table. However, if indeed the hangar-based approach is adopted in future, it'll need quite some work trying to assign weightage to each weapon, levels especially after MKII. First up, thank you for your time replying to us all here. I very much appreciate it. Now, I have a question. Are Pix, based on your knowledge, looking at fixing (or at least aknowledging the existence of) the Taran bug where shots go through enemy bots without registering? Edit: Same question goes for the Shocktrain no-damage bug which I am increasingly experiencing and can only be escaped by ejecting from my Bulg |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 12:44:13 GMT -5
All I can say is that nothing is off the table. However, if indeed the hangar-based approach is adopted in future, it'll need quite some work trying to assign weightage to each weapon, levels especially after MKII. First up, thank you for your time replying to us all here. I very much appreciate it. Now, I have a question. Are Pix, based on your knowledge, looking at fixing (or at least aknowledging the existence of) the Taran bug where shots go through enemy bots without registering? Oh yes, I can help you with that. The answer is YES! we currently are working on the Taran bug actually. |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Mar 15, 2018 13:05:54 GMT -5
And I have no intention of doing that. I just do not appreciate someone assuming things about me when they do not even know me. When I capitalize it is in the old school way of emphasizing a point without resorting to word editing. Quick Reply in these forums doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Reply does in case noone noticed.
All of these suggestions have been made multiple times in the in game "suggestions & feedback". And every answer back is ALWAYS the same. So please excuse me if I don't believe that PIXONIC will take any of our suggestions now anymore seriously than then. After over a year it's very hard to have faith in PIXONIC or even trust their word anymore for that matter. PIXONIC has had their own representatives come here to these forums and lie right to our faces over and over. Oh I'm sure they've been "listening" to our complaints but for my money it just appears they've been having a good laugh at our expense. We have no direct contact with PIXONIC or the developers. Just their extremely unhelpful "Tech Support" who can do nothing but "pass your suggestions along to our development team. Remember(and who can possibly forget after getting the exact same messages over and over) not all suggestions make it into the game."
So if some of us appear cynical please remember we have every reason to be of PIXONIC and their representatives after the way they have treated us over the last 13-14 months. We never wanted to be...but there it is. If you can get them to pay attention to our concerns it would be greatly appreciated. We love this game and we wouldn't be here griping about it if that were not the case. We're just not happy with it as is and to be anymore.
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Post by moses on Mar 15, 2018 13:21:15 GMT -5
runamok Well...you're correct. It's taking us quite the time and manpower to process the tanker reports because of both their volume and to verify. There are way too many shades of gaming the system going on, so have to process them all ...*shudders* hence, doing it manually, by hand.
Sad to say, some part of that is attributed to some players reporting any behaviour they think doesn't match their standard, like reporting someone piloting an Arty Natty. Annoying, but not quite illegal. On the contrary, a lot of the "whales" who seal-club turned out to be loaders+ Their farming involved Time-Drops, wasting matches, skewing numbers then seal clubbing to gather their Silver(Yes, we had those too, Time dropping to funnel all damage to one bot). But why are you doing it manually? There are surely simple indicators that should automatically flag when behaviour / league rankings are massively off. If it is too difficult to automate the first screening for problem players then I think we need an Up/down vote / star based rating system for teammates - forget the tanker form and sending pixo screenshots of hangars that disappear into a crazy manual review process, just a plus minus / 1-5 star rating system. Take it out of the hands of pixo and let team mates decide. Rating falls below [X] you get put in the bad queue and out of normal matchmaker. System would need to work the other way too - if you keep giving negative ratings to players that otherwise get good scores (I.e. some malicous person just giving out 1 star to everyone all the time) then your votes get discounted. So we have a community based rating system of players and Pixo just has to arbitrate when someone wants to appeal the community decision to exclude them from MM. |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 15, 2018 13:21:35 GMT -5
Forcing people to play game modes they don't like degrades everyone's playing experience. This 'change' changes nothing.
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Post by seanh on Mar 15, 2018 13:33:46 GMT -5
Why? i have a vitally important killer question. If I am nice to you can you get me free stuff?
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Post by RedRaider on Mar 15, 2018 13:35:59 GMT -5
How is penalizing players for running weak equipment a good thing? We have an inventory and access to it. We have a choice in what equipment we can run in our hangers. We know HOW tanking is done. PIXONIC just needs to step up and fix it so that ranking points are not lost beyond the last rank a player attains. PIXONIC cannot start penalizing players for playing with the equipment that we earn and buy. That's bullpoo. They need to simply close the doors and lock them behind players as they move up. I don't care if a Master or Champion player wants to run a full hanger of level 1 whatever. I care that they can actually lose ranking so that when they suddenly change their hangers back to Mk2 12s all around they become a real annoyance in whatever tier ranking that is below their own highest earned rankings. PIXONIC IS SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR TANKING. THEREFORE PIXONIC SHOULD OWN UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AND FIX THE SITUATION. PIXONIC SHOULD NOT PENALIZE PLAYERS FOR SIMPLY USING PIXONIC'S STUPID SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE. I completely agree with you. IF, and this is a big IF, this player got his equipment the right way then punishing him should be solely because he is a tanker, and PIX already "said " they dont condone tanking. so on that they can do something, like put him back in Champion league. IF this player used Loaders to get his hanger like that then a ban is in`order. However PIX ban is crap anyway. When they are reinstated they retain their MK2 hangers and press on! They may be in the hole for Au but so what! They can play and dominate and pat themselves on the back for getting away with stolen goods. Permanent ban is the only real deterrent. And PIX WON'T do that. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 13:51:14 GMT -5
And I have no intention of doing that. I just do not appreciate someone assuming things about me when they do not even know me. When I capitalize it is in the old school way of emphasizing a point without resorting to word editing. Quick Reply in these forums doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Reply does in case noone noticed. All of these suggestions have been made multiple times in the in game "suggestions & feedback". And every answer back is ALWAYS the same. So please excuse me if I don't believe that PIXONIC will take any of our suggestions now anymore seriously than then. After over a year it's very hard to have faith in PIXONIC or even trust their word anymore for that matter. PIXONIC has had their own representatives come here to these forums and lie right to our faces over and over. Oh I'm sure they've been "listening" to our complaints but for my money it just appears they've been having a good laugh at our expense. We have no direct contact with PIXONIC or the developers. Just their extremely unhelpful "Tech Support" who can do nothing but "pass your suggestions along to our development team. Remember(and who can possibly forget after getting the exact same messages over and over) not all suggestions make it into the game." So if some of us appear cynical please remember we have every reason to be of PIXONIC and their representatives after the way they have treated us over the last 13-14 months. We never wanted to be...but there it is. If you can get them to pay attention to our concerns it would be greatly appreciated. We love this game and we wouldn't be here griping about it if that were not the case. We're just not happy with it as is and to be anymore. I understand. I dunno if it'll be any helpful but I'll tell you a couple stuff. Firstly, I was in the same positions as you all here. If you check my past posts, same history, same gripes, same frustrations. So, I understand your concerns, and since now I have a closer view of the action among the Pix people, I can tell that they do too. However, as they say and you must have heard other "influencers" say too, at Pix, "data is king". Any change takes time and very regulated steps. Often times, the data doesn't match the ground realities we as players we think we are seeing.(I have seen some surprising numbers that have forced me to rethink a lot of things actually). Secondly, while I agree criticism is due and deserved in some cases, it isn't that improvements aren't being made. ST was a very, very powerful weapon. After the community spoke, no new weapons/bots have been as powerful. At the same time it helps to remember that dialing back ST isn't as easy or a one step thing either. I hope I don't have to explain the reasons why it is problematic to nerf it all at once. Now, there are Battle Rewards designed to help make staying at highest leagues lucrative. Same for supply drops. Improvements are coming, though maybe not always as fast as we want. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 13:54:00 GMT -5
runamok Well...you're correct. It's taking us quite the time and manpower to process the tanker reports because of both their volume and to verify. There are way too many shades of gaming the system going on, so have to process them all ...*shudders* hence, doing it manually, by hand.
Sad to say, some part of that is attributed to some players reporting any behaviour they think doesn't match their standard, like reporting someone piloting an Arty Natty. Annoying, but not quite illegal. On the contrary, a lot of the "whales" who seal-club turned out to be loaders+ Their farming involved Time-Drops, wasting matches, skewing numbers then seal clubbing to gather their Silver(Yes, we had those too, Time dropping to funnel all damage to one bot). But why are you doing it manually? There are surely simple indicators that should automatically flag when behaviour / league rankings are massively off. If it is too difficult to automate the first screening for problem players then I think we need an Up/down vote / star based rating system for teammates - forget the tanker form and sending pixo screenshots of hangars that disappear into a crazy manual review process, just a plus minus / 1-5 star rating system. Take it out of the hands of pixo and let team mates decide. Rating falls below [X] you get put in the bad queue and out of normal matchmaker. System would need to work the other way too - if you keep giving negative ratings to players that otherwise get good scores (I.e. some malicous person just giving out 1 star to everyone all the time) then your votes get discounted. So we have a community based rating system of players and Pixo just has to arbitrate when someone wants to appeal the community decision to exclude them from MM. Like I said in some other post, we need a centralised definition of tanking before that and with all the different unethical behaviour we have seen, it will take some time to check 'em. Also, rather than outright ban one should be given chance, but alas, some do exploit that goodwill. |
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Post by Why? on Mar 15, 2018 13:55:03 GMT -5
Why? i have a vitally important killer question. If I am nice to you can you get me free stuff? I don't think so. Why, you won't be nice to me otherwise? #goodbyecruelworld |
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Stop, balanace, bugfix, new features but not new content until the dust has settled.
I have seen my clan mates drop down to masters as their almost maxed MK1 stuff and old bots cant compete anymore. They were in champion for a long time.
