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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 11:27:46 GMT -5
What bot do you typically drop last and why?
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Post by suntron on Jan 16, 2018 11:46:07 GMT -5
My 5th bot. Why? It's the only one left ;-)
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jan 16, 2018 11:50:05 GMT -5
What bot do you typically drop last and why? Nine times out of ten, I drop my Lancelot. If we're losing, he's my anchor to try and drag the battle out as long as possible, and maybe turn the tide in our favor. If we're winning, he's my mop up guy. I don't have any Kia Bots, so I use Lance as my clean up hitter. Normally the fourth batter hits clean up, but for me, it's Lance at number five.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 11:59:22 GMT -5
What bot do you typically drop last and why? Nine times out of ten, I drop my Lancelot. If we're losing, he's my anchor to try and drag the battle out as long as possible, and maybe turn the tide in our favor. If we're winning, he's my mop up guy. I don't have any Kia Bots, so I use Lance as my clean up hitter. Normally the fourth batter hits clean up, but for me, it's Lance at number five. I used to drop my Lance last as well as he used to be damn near unstoppable late game where everyone is weakened or not their strongest bots. I've been thinking about a bot to set up specifically as a "last drop" bot that can cap beacons quickly and kill other bots. I was thinking a Kumiho with scourges just because you can keep yourself out of range and take very little damage to most bots.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 12:05:36 GMT -5
Bulg with ST. I yell out, "SURPRISE MUTHA 「fluffernutter」ERS!" when it drops. Usually I don't get that far but if I do we are probably losing.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Jan 16, 2018 12:05:41 GMT -5
I used to drop my Lance last as well as he used to be damn near unstoppable late game where everyone is weakened or not their strongest bots. I've been thinking about a bot to set up specifically as a "last drop" bot that can cap beacons quickly and kill other bots. I was thinking a Kumiho with scourges just because you can keep yourself out of range and take very little damage to most bots. Which is why I specified that I had no K-Bots. I've read a few strings recently, where people with two Kumihos will drop one to cap beacons at the beginning, and drop their second as the fifth bot, to clean up and cap beacons. Kind of the way some people used to drop Gareth as their last bot for the same reason, before the Brit bots received that devastating nerf.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Jan 16, 2018 12:13:00 GMT -5
I usually hold a RDB Griffin in reserve because if the battle is still in doubt then I'll probably be able to influence it somehow with a flexible mid-ranger. The biggest disadvantages of this setup as a late-game drop are the low speed and low damage, but the advantage of being at least mediocre in every role while pretty decent in mid-range support (probably a useful thing if the match is still doubt) makes it my option of last resort.
Once I accumulate enough components for a Hover I'll probably retire the RDB Griff "for good" (until the meta changes back to favor splash), gaining significant speed and survivability in exchange for one measly Pin.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -5
I used to drop my Lance last as well as he used to be damn near unstoppable late game where everyone is weakened or not their strongest bots. I've been thinking about a bot to set up specifically as a "last drop" bot that can cap beacons quickly and kill other bots. I was thinking a Kumiho with scourges just because you can keep yourself out of range and take very little damage to most bots. Which is why I specified that I had no K-Bots. I've read a few strings recently, where people with two Kumihos will drop one to cap beacons at the beginning, and drop their second as the fifth bot, to clean up and cap beacons. Kind of the way some people used to drop Gareth as their last bot for the same reason, before the Brit bots received that devastating nerf. I do exactly that. I run an Orkan for beacon capping because I still see a lot of Gareths being used and a Taran Kumiho for late game. Recently thought about switching it up to Scourges so I can keep at range and preserve my bot more... but I'm not sure how it works out in real game situations yet. My scourges would need to be leveled up a little more.
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Post by mccawesome on Jan 16, 2018 12:19:33 GMT -5
Nine times out of ten, I drop my Lancelot. If we're losing, he's my anchor to try and drag the battle out as long as possible, and maybe turn the tide in our favor. If we're winning, he's my mop up guy. I don't have any Kia Bots, so I use Lance as my clean up hitter. Normally the fourth batter hits clean up, but for me, it's Lance at number five. I used to drop my Lance last as well as he used to be damn near unstoppable late game where everyone is weakened or not their strongest bots. I've been thinking about a bot to set up specifically as a "last drop" bot that can cap beacons quickly and kill other bots. I was thinking a Kumiho with scourges just because you can keep yourself out of range and take very little damage to most bots. Most people drop kimiho first but I wait until late in the game to drop mine with orkans. Scourges are to slow with damage and you might not be able to fight off other long range bots that are left. But I have pulled many last min wins that way
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 12:20:18 GMT -5
Bulg with ST. I yell out, "SURPRISE MUTHA ?fluffy bunny?ERS!" when it drops. Usually I don't get that far but if I do we are probably losing. Haha nice, but if you were to use the ST Bulg as your 2nd or 3rd bot, it would be more impactful as you would have more protection and more targets to train. I respect your decision if you choose to drop it last because you realize it's overpowered. I currently drop my Bulg 2nd most of the time. I kept the ST's at level 8 because I have other weapons to upgrade and I'm pretty sure this thing is gonna get nerfed and I don't want to invest too much into it without knowing how big the nerf is. Also, at level 8, I think it's a pretty balanced weapon for Diamond 1. I drop the Bulg, play aggressively and weaken as many bots as possible, and then move onto the next bot.
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Post by Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ on Jan 16, 2018 12:22:46 GMT -5
I don't save a specific bot for my 5th bot, just like I don't always drop the same first bot.
Your drop order is so heavily influenced by many things, if you always save an anchor or have a lead-off I think you're doing it wrong. (Obligatory YMMV)
Influence on order:
Map Size Beacon Rush/Dom Opposing Bots/Weapons (Keep in mind several maps you can scout the opposition at the start, especially moon) Squad/Non-Squad Map Strategy (Capper, Brawler, Position lock-down i.e. Holding shield on springfield) Meta Strategy (Starting plasma vs heavy Heachi meta)
Plus many other variables.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 16, 2018 12:36:05 GMT -5
Depends... if on a long map I usually keep the Haechi back... if it is a short map it will most likely be my Natty Zeus used last... unless I saw a need for it and took it out early.
I keep the Haechi last or next to last because I like playing the other bots more, mostly, but sometimes it's for the above stated reasons of securing a victory with a faster beacon capping bot that I use him last. I would prefer to play the Galahad Thunder Gust, Golem Thunder Storm Gust, and Lance Ember Taran... but if there is a significant rocket or hydra presence, the Haechi is released early.
Many games I don't get to play it and prefer it that way. As I move closer to Expert on that account, however, that will change. More Red Dashes will prolly make me use it at different times. If I had a Carnage or Fujin on that account, believe it or not, I would prolly use one of them, instead, but... I digress.
TL;DR - Natty Zeus or Haechi usually are last for me.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 12:36:40 GMT -5
I don't save a specific bot for my 5th bot, just like I don't always drop the same first bot. Your drop order is so heavily influenced by many things, if you always save an anchor or have a lead-off I think you're doing it wrong. (Obligatory YMMV) Influence on order: Map Size Beacon Rush/Dom Opposing Bots/Weapons (Keep in mind several maps you can scout the opposition at the start, especially moon) Squad/Non-Squad Map Strategy (Capper, Brawler, Position lock-down i.e. Holding shield on springfield) Meta Strategy (Starting plasma vs heavy Heachi meta) Plus many other variables. Yeah, I agree with you which is why I added "typically". Most of the time, I dont find myself needing my 2nd Kumiho mid-game so it's my last drop the vast majority of the time, and it's really effective most of the time unless I need to deal with a Tarancilot. This is actually the reason why I'm thinking about going with scourges.
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Post by gman4hire on Jan 16, 2018 13:10:41 GMT -5
My hangar changes daily because i get bored easily, but bot drop looks abit like this..... 1st tharnage/shotygary on closed maps. Leadgriff on open maps. 2nd bugzapperLance/ pdbgriff 3rd orkHeichi if were falling behind or midrange Leo (various addaptations) if were winning to hold ground. 4th depends on bot 3? at this point ive either got my leadgriff or leo left thatll get played now, this stage of the game is usually compression if its a fair fight.. 5th could be my orkheichi for the reason of.. die ya b*st*rd reds im getting the arse on because blue team suck!! again for the 6th game im a row!! or my 5th bot is my pdb griff if im still holding it. These two builds are usually the last to fight, as by this point were either winning, and im gaurding beacons like a rabid dog. or were losing and im just looking 2 get some damage.
To summarize 1. fast bot. 2.3.4. brawlers. 5.「deteriorated bum-bum」 mofo.
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 16, 2018 13:13:36 GMT -5
In my short map hangar, it's usually my DB Hover because it can get to places faster, fewer snipers or mid range bots in the end game, and it can bring a ton of firepower to any crippled reds.
In my long range hangar, usually it's my Punishad because it's the second fastest bot in my hangar, there's fewer DB's in the endgame, and the shield gives it an edge over any crippled reds.
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Post by mechtout on Jan 16, 2018 14:10:02 GMT -5
Now that i have a hover to start grabbing beacons with, i like saving the Kumiho for late match beacon grabbing.
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Post by kukurukukuk on Jan 16, 2018 14:48:59 GMT -5
I like running my Orkan Rog last when I can. If I had the Kumiho I would use it instead and use the Rogatka at start.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Jan 16, 2018 16:22:03 GMT -5
I usually drop an aphid taran Galahad. I find few that can really give him a hard time during endgame. He's well balanced to cap, defend and kick fanny. I usually end up just capping beacons and leave those lancelots to their anguish. If equal or smaller, i take them out while doing beacons.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 16:35:24 GMT -5
I used to drop my Lance last as well as he used to be damn near unstoppable late game where everyone is weakened or not their strongest bots. I've been thinking about a bot to set up specifically as a "last drop" bot that can cap beacons quickly and kill other bots. I was thinking a Kumiho with scourges just because you can keep yourself out of range and take very little damage to most bots. Most people drop kimiho first but I wait until late in the game to drop mine with orkans. Scourges are to slow with damage and you might not be able to fight off other long range bots that are left. But I have pulled many last min wins that way I run two Kumihos... Orkans to start and Tarans to finish. I still see a ton of Gareths to cap beacons at start of games and Tarans are ineffective against them. End game, I prefer Tarans because you can kill Orkan Haechi's and can flank extremely well with Kumihos with less reds on the map. I see your point with the scourges and I decided against them after running a few games with them on the Kumi. The damage is horrible, can't imagine it would get that much better with a few levels.
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 16:37:10 GMT -5
Now that i have a hover to start grabbing beacons with, i like saving the Kumiho for late match beacon grabbing. That's actually not a bad idea and the first time I'm actually considering a Hover. Hovers get to center beacon faster than Kumi's on most maps, more firepower too.
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Post by hyderier on Jan 16, 2018 16:37:54 GMT -5
Whatever is left for me. I try to drop bots based on current situation on the field. Only bot that it almost never is, that is Rogatka, because I almost always start with it (sometimes with Rhino on Canyon or Dreadnaught).
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 16:43:03 GMT -5
Whatever is left for me. I try to drop bots based on current situation on the field. Only bot that it almost never is, that is Rogatka, because I almost always start with it (sometimes with Rhino on Canyon or Dreadnaught). I did that too, but I found that a fast capping bot that's a capable fighter helps me win more games. You can put so much pressure on just by capping beacons nonstop. Reds are forced to hunt you down or cap beacons themselves. When you don't need to cap beacons, fast bots can flank really well late game because there are less bots on the map. Flanking a Lancelot when you have two plasma bots left is extremely satisfying. It's like playing monkey in the middle.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Jan 16, 2018 16:51:10 GMT -5
Depends on what I needed to get to the end. Usually it seems orkan haechi. It also depends on BR or Dom and also if I’m solo or squadding. Lastly I usually look at what was dropped. If it’s all haechi I start with plasma haechi if it’s all shock trains I start with plasma bulgi or zeus fury. Either way ork haechi seems to be always last.
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Post by Lainz on Jan 16, 2018 16:52:06 GMT -5
Might sound naive but my last bot is just the one left. This because the previous four bots were taken considering each one as the best option disposable atm. As a rule of thumb my beacon capper is often deployed in late domination match if needed, but first in beacon rush. I rarely leave my only ranged support bot as 5th drop, even in maps plenty of cover: in the first half of the match there are more potential targets around. It's usually the 1st in open maps, while in covered maps this honor goes to the tough guy, my best bot.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 16, 2018 16:58:41 GMT -5
If you have a concrete answer you're doing it wrong.
The appropriate response is "It depends".
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 17:03:55 GMT -5
If you have a concrete answer you're doing it wrong. The appropriate response is "It depends". It does depend, just like everything else in this game. I sometimes drop my 2nd Kumi earlier than expected because I need to get somewhere fast. I still drop him last most of the time and it's been working extremely well. Can't count the number of times I've won a game simply from putting pressure on opponents by capping nonstop.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 16, 2018 17:04:41 GMT -5
If you have a concrete answer you're doing it wrong. The appropriate response is "It depends". Took The Words Right Outta My Mouth..
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Post by endyu on Jan 16, 2018 18:29:45 GMT -5
I see GuitarGuy and Thunderkiss are both in champions league and I have no idea what bots are run there normally outside of what I see in the Legends League. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I take it that the higher up you move, the less bot diversity there will be and eventually, even Kumihos will be pushed out in favor of bots that do more damage. When you have a hangar full of bots for the sole purpose of doing damage, then yeah, whatever bot you drop last purely depends on your needs during the game. In lower leagues, we see more diversity and if I'm running two Kumihos in my hangar (which I'm fully capable of doing and still taking top damage in Diamond 1) then I think it makes sense to have a speed demon like the Kumiho to close out games, whether it's to cap beacons or flank reds. I prefer the 2nd Kumiho over my Lancelot because while the Lancelot is far more durable and can defend beacons well, I see more value in a Kumiho being able to outpace reds in capping beacons and putting pressure on that way. And yes, if I had another Haechi or Bulgasari, I would replace the 2nd Kumiho with it and lose that late game capper, but I might even just run the Kumiho late game instead of opening because usually someone else runs a fast capper to begin the game.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jan 16, 2018 19:34:53 GMT -5
Diversity does shrink a LOT the higher you go in leagues. War robots is half math, half skill. Math gives you the optimal builds, skill does the rest. Champion league players tend to use the same math, for the most part. There are just some builds that are way better than others, so they use them. Results oriented. Having 2 kumihos is fine in my opinion because it delivers results. You need beacons? Kumiho delivers, unlike the run of the mill blueberries who stand 16 meters from said beacon and never cap it. Are there more powerful builds? Sure. Do you own them? If not, run with it. Just don't be a slave to routine. Dropping bots in a set order is a recipe for disaster. If 6 reds all have splash, dropping in a galahad is just foolishness. Basic math
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Post by zombiecyborg on Jan 16, 2018 20:08:56 GMT -5
The game mode also influences the choice. Beacon rush is a whole new set of decisions in the late game.....if you need to turn a beacon or not....if you are winning or not...
That being said, I try to keep an all arounder for late game. RDB Griffin or plasma Rog.
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