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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 12:44:46 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do?
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Post by Koalabear on Jan 12, 2018 12:52:03 GMT -5
You could join them... start leveling up some Spirals and Hydras. I once saw a guy with maxed mk2 Hydras dominate Valley and do over 800k damage... I tried this route... got as far as level 8 on 2 of my Hydras and then gave up. Or, you can try to work on some anti missile/sniper builds. I got my Zenits and Noricums as far as level 6 before I abandoned that project. Or, you can do what we all do... shake it off and move on. It's sad, but hopefully you won't keep running into the same ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 12:52:13 GMT -5
You know Blue and Red are the same people? In games where you win, the blues lose.
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Post by SuperHero on Jan 12, 2018 12:53:03 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do? What game mode are you playing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 12:58:51 GMT -5
I have been known to immediately chase down the offending spammer and end him...usually this means I get to end his next bot that spawns. Oh the joys.
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Post by Bui Dui on Jan 12, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do? I haven't been in those situations that much, but if your team always loses because of the homing misiles, you could play as the nice guy by having a double-ancile Raijin and protecting others. Or any bot with ancile shield.
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Post by endyu on Jan 12, 2018 13:05:21 GMT -5
Snipers are annoying, yes... but they're a part of the game. Most of the time, they aren't helping their team all that much. In the end, them staying in a sniper the entire match will be detrimental to the team.
I get you're annoyed by them, but take it as a challenge or obstacle to get through to win the game. Take note of where they are and peak out to see when they've fired/moved onto another target and base your movements around that. Yes, it's less fun than straight brawling but it adds dimension to the game so while it requires little skill to snipe, it requires a lot of skill to play around them and be effective. I find domination extremely fun because there are just so many dimensions to the game and a wide variety of effective bots and play styles.
If that's not for you, then I would just hope that Pix brings back the Beacon Rush only option. If TDM is really as unpopular as people make it out to be (I hate this game mode), I would expect a change soon.
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Post by suntron on Jan 12, 2018 13:24:57 GMT -5
As stated above start with a bot that has an Ancile or physical shield (with physical you need to angle correctly). In Champion league I see no missile or treb or gekko they mainly have knife fighters so you they are better for doing damage if you learn to close the distance. E.g. Keep close to walls to protect from missiles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 13:27:43 GMT -5
As stated above start with a bot that has an Ancile or physical shield (with physical you need to angle correctly). In Champion league I see no missile or treb or gekko they mainly have knife fighters so you they are better for doing damage if you learn to close the distance. E.g. Keep close to walls to protect from missiles. Surprisingly, there are other leagues outside of champions and Adrian's wallet.
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Post by amidf on Jan 12, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -5
I'd like a list of all the maps where blues start at a disadvantage.
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 14:08:37 GMT -5
You know Blue and Red are the same people? In games where you win, the blues lose. Yes i know this it is just another way to say allies and enemy
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 14:10:48 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do? I play TDM lately but I do them all and the same mind set seems to permeate all modes. What game mode are you playing?
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 14:13:20 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do? Thanks fo the advice, but another problem is the same couple of maps appear over and over. I haven't been in those situations that much, but if your team always loses because of the homing misiles, you could play as the nice guy by having a double-ancile Raijin and protecting others. Or any bot with ancile shield.
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 14:18:10 GMT -5
You could join them... start leveling up some Spirals and Hydras. I once saw a guy with maxed mk2 Hydras dominate Valley and do over 800k damage... I tried this route... got as far as level 8 on 2 of my Hydras and then gave up. Or, you can try to work on some anti missile/sniper builds. I got my Zenits and Noricums as far as level 6 before I abandoned that project. Or, you can do what we all do... shake it off and move on. It's sad, but hopefully you won't keep running into the same ones. I will try to level some L R weapons but the reason I've not done so yet is this style of play doesn't seem much fun.
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 14:27:41 GMT -5
I'd like a list of all the maps where blues start at a disadvantage. Almost all maps start especially the small ones with reds entrenched behind walls and forts (moon) with blue having to attack such positioning. I have read posts from others stating the same thing but it is just my opinion.
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Post by Trogon on Jan 12, 2018 14:48:22 GMT -5
I'd like a list of all the maps where blues start at a disadvantage. Almost all maps start especially the small ones with reds entrenched behind walls and forts (moon) with blue having to attack such positioning. I have read posts from others stating the same thing but it is just my opinion. Most of the maps are basically symmetrical (moon, dead city, dreadnought, valley, canyon, power plant, shenzen), or nearly so (yamantau), with both teams starting in neutral positions. There aren't any maps that start with one team entrenched and the other forced to assault their position. Springfield and a few spawn locations on other maps give one side an advantage, but nothing like what you describe. Can you be more specific of what you're thinking of?
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Post by bloodynipples on Jan 12, 2018 14:54:13 GMT -5
The moon has equal starting points....both sides are exactly the same.
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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on Jan 12, 2018 15:01:58 GMT -5
Hmmm.. to me every bot has a relevance depending on where you are in the game..
REALLY good Snipers, make a difference..
REALLY good Artillery players.. make a difference..
REALLY good Spidra players make a difference..
--Others that spawn into those builds, may be learning the build.. others are just spamming the battle.. Either way, just play your game the best you can.. try for 1st place in your TEAM and you will always get some points..
Sometimes there are like 4 Snipers.. REALLY BAD snipers on your team... it just sucks the life out of you and you feel like you are fighting a losing battle and you take the -22 but comeback at a later game.. it is what it is.. we all have dealt with it..
But in the end, if you truly hate the game as it is now.. take a break.. chill.. play something else, or just take some time with something else you enjoy doing. but don't let the game steal your joy..
Cheers..
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Post by hyderier on Jan 12, 2018 15:07:07 GMT -5
Yes. I recommend quitting. This game is going down the drain fast, and I doubt that whatever plans Pix has, they will continue to screw over players who play casually (and who'd be willing to pay something for casual play, if only Pix had a game worth paying for to offer).
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Post by magz on Jan 12, 2018 15:16:32 GMT -5
I too feel that sniping is no fun, but one must evolve, if the meta or game did not change it would become stale. I run one sniper, if I had a choice I would run none but it would not enable me to succeed on long maps or at least deal with the opponents mid or long range. So, find a counter to them or snipe them yourself, and as stated above if you wish not to have a sniper and the battle is going south, Max damage. We all have experienced this, we lose we win and so on, roll with the flow, but always make sure you learn from your battle mistakes and successes.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jan 12, 2018 15:32:32 GMT -5
They trading off the skill in this game to increase the player base who likes to buy power and auto aim weapons. Mail.FU demands it.
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Post by Pvt. Pickle on Jan 12, 2018 15:39:14 GMT -5
Spawn-Raids......
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Post by seanh on Jan 12, 2018 16:27:52 GMT -5
Hey kevmac I get the frustration, have been there. Still get it, now mostly with the muppet Blueâs. Anyway, a few things that might help: - Stop playing TDM. While campers may turn up anywhere, TDM is about killing everyone. Randon, no matter which you get can be won on beacon control, and this is where extreme camperism falls on its 「bum-bum」. You donât need to root them all out, you just need to get 3 beacons and then they have to either eject and come to the beacon party or just plain out lose. - Stick up some details on you hanger and league (platform etc), someone on here will be in the same place and can probably give some more tailored advice. - Look up some of the maps on the wiki: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Maps get to know them. Most are symmetrical with equal spawn points. Means that when you drop in you are in the exact same place as the red team. So no initial advantage / disadvantage. One or two of the maps are not, springfield being the worst for unequal spawns, but even at that, you will get the better one as often as you get the bad one. - Once you have the beacon advantage donât go trying to dislodge any well positioned campers, take cover and wait them out. I have won many match hiding off a blue centre beacon watching red campers getting increasing agitated as the clock ticks down. It is boring, but itâs a win. - Many have well established sniper lines, once you figure those out you can normally avoid the worst of it. - On most maps longer range builds are at a disadvantage. Meaning that on balance your short range hanger has the advantage, its just a question of working out how to deal with them. - Before you drop your first bot, while the timer is ticking, pan around with the camera to see if you can see the red spawn, quite often you can see what the reds are dropping. - Energy shields (anciles) stop rockets, physical shield stop energy weapons (stop hydraâs too). Depending on what you have you may be able to tailor your first choice of bot to better deal with what the reds have. - Use cover and hug walls, snipers need clean shots and hydraâs hit walls. - If possible bring a friend while hunting snipers, team work helps a lot. - Read up on the camper weapons reload times, some are very long, if you know the reload times you can wait until they fire then close in a lot of ground before they can fire again. - A smaller fast bot can actually do a better job of rooting them out. Depends on what the prevailing meta is in you league. Anyway, just a few idea, hope it helps. Post some details of you league and hanger and some of the guys will no doubt be able to give some good suggestions. Good hunting.
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Post by mobiuswr on Jan 12, 2018 17:58:01 GMT -5
There I said it.The game has completely lost any sense of strategies and has become devoid of skill more each day. The reason for this as many all ready know is CAMPERS!!!Every game now starts with 4 or 5 campers loaded for bear with L 12 missiles or Geckos and trebs (not as bad )and this leaves little room for conventional gameplay. On certain maps such as Moon the blues start at a disadvantage to begin with having to storm a fortified positions (As is the case on most maps) but with all the campers raining high leveled missiles it's difficult to even approach. On the larger maps this is less so but you still have some coward aiming his disco light from a mile off and team play is affected by the glut of blue backpackers. Seems to be 2 solutions: Either join the camping idiocy or quit. I'm torn cause I grew to enjoy the game and have so much time invested and camping is no fun.Whats to do? Dont like campers? i suggest countering them with a lvl12 molot T & gekkos Galahad. stay just under 800m and corner shoot them from cover to save your shield. it drives them nuts.
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Jan 12, 2018 18:05:55 GMT -5
Anciles are our second most prominent Lord and Saviour. After Tepiggo, Lord Fungi himself.
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 22:37:29 GMT -5
I too feel that sniping is no fun, but one must evolve, if the meta or game did not change it would become stale. I run one sniper, if I had a choice I would run none but it would not enable me to succeed on long maps or at least deal with the opponents mid or long range. So, find a counter to them or snipe them yourself, and as stated above if you wish not to have a sniper and the battle is going south, Max damage. We all have experienced this, we lose we win and so on, roll with the flow, but always make sure you learn from your battle mistakes and successes. I took the advice of the if you can't beat em join em crowd and loaded up 3 sniper long range bots w/ furys ,trebs ,Norciums and did well.but I don't enjoy playing this way.It just seems to me that the game has changed to this style of late and imho it was much more fun even a couple of months ago.This and the addition of super weapons and Dashers have imo taken the skill and strategy out of game play and also create a system of haves vs.have nots.
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Post by kevmac on Jan 12, 2018 22:51:16 GMT -5
Hey kevmac I get the frustration, have been there. Still get it, now mostly with the muppet Blueâ??s. Anyway, a few things that might help: - Stop playing TDM. While campers may turn up anywhere, TDM is about killing everyone. Randon, no matter which you get can be won on beacon control, and this is where extreme camperism falls on its ?bum-bum?. You donâ??t need to root them all out, you just need to get 3 beacons and then they have to either eject and come to the beacon party or just plain out lose. - Stick up some details on you hanger and league (platform etc), someone on here will be in the same place and can probably give some more tailored advice. - Look up some of the maps on the wiki: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Maps get to know them. Most are symmetrical with equal spawn points. Means that when you drop in you are in the exact same place as the red team. So no initial advantage / disadvantage. One or two of the maps are not, springfield being the worst for unequal spawns, but even at that, you will get the better one as often as you get the bad one. - Once you have the beacon advantage donâ??t go trying to dislodge any well positioned campers, take cover and wait them out. I have won many match hiding off a blue centre beacon watching red campers getting increasing agitated as the clock ticks down. It is boring, but itâ??s a win. - Many have well established sniper lines, once you figure those out you can normally avoid the worst of it. - On most maps longer range builds are at a disadvantage. Meaning that on balance your short range hanger has the advantage, its just a question of working out how to deal with them. - Before you drop your first bot, while the timer is ticking, pan around with the camera to see if you can see the red spawn, quite often you can see what the reds are dropping. - Energy shields (anciles) stop rockets, physical shield stop energy weapons (stop hydraâ??s too). Depending on what you have you may be able to tailor your first choice of bot to better deal with what the reds have. - Use cover and hug walls, snipers need clean shots and hydraâ??s hit walls. - If possible bring a friend while hunting snipers, team work helps a lot. - Read up on the camper weapons reload times, some are very long, if you know the reload times you can wait until they fire then close in a lot of ground before they can fire again. - A smaller fast bot can actually do a better job of rooting them out. Depends on what the prevailing meta is in you league. Anyway, just a few idea, hope it helps. Post some details of you league and hanger and some of the guys will no doubt be able to give some good suggestions. Good hunting. seanh thanks for the sound advice,thing is I was so glad the special tasks ended and the nonscence that goes w/ it .Now this. Don't get me wrong l really like this game it's the best I've come across, I just hate to see it go to the dogs.I want to check out the 6/6 league on FB but I'm having a hard time joining.
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Post by AVC on Jan 12, 2018 23:49:38 GMT -5
The moon has equal starting points....both sides are exactly the same. True this. I didn't realise until I had played it several times. The only difference is the things lying around at the spawn. Moon is actually quite a good map to AVOID snipers. Lots of walls to hug and several places with overhead cover. Springfield is one that can be a bit lopsided depending on where the spawns are, and really the most long range effective. Every weapon has a counter. A physical shield will just bounce Geckos and Trebs. You just need to use the right weapon and bot and use the cover on hand
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Post by seanh on Jan 13, 2018 3:47:14 GMT -5
kevmac, no probs at all, on the 6/6, if you are Android (and even if you are not) you need to get into the discord group. Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ should be able to help, he is the boss as far a 6/6 goes.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Jan 13, 2018 5:19:52 GMT -5
I'd like a list of all the maps where blues start at a disadvantage. Almost all maps start especially the small ones with reds entrenched behind walls and forts (moon) with blue having to attack such positioning. I have read posts from others stating the same thing but it is just my opinion. Do you realize the flaw in that logic? If Red always starts at an advantage, those players, being Blue from their perspective, will perceive that Blue always starts at an advantage?
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