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Post by ironstar on Dec 29, 2017 17:39:25 GMT -5
So Pix dropped some info on the coming battle rewards earlier today here warrobots.net/en/posts/192The Battle rewards will contain silver and components starting with tempest conponents. The amount of components actually seems pretty decent, but I want to focus on the silver. One of the takeaway lines in the resume is that we will see an increase in silver earning of 15-35%. Unless this is as an ADDITION to the current silver earning mechanic, I find that hard to believe unless I have totally misunderstood the system. Read on. The gist of the system is that we will earn so called Honor points (yet another currency yay) from each battle with a maximum of 8 points per battle. Depending on the league we are in we can grab a reward chest at certain milestones (eg. 30/80/250 Honor Points). Each milestone represents a league so if you are in Diamond you can earn a recruit chest, a private chest, bronze chest and so on up to Diamond chest. Every time you reach the Diamond chest you get an additional silver reward and the cycle begins anew. This is the system as far as I understand it. So let's crunch some numbers. To reach the Diamond chest you will need 670 Honor points. Let's say that I am on a hot streak and earn the maximum number of points in every single battle. That means top3 in damage and beacons as well as winning the match while also squadding. That gives me 8 points per game. To reach 670 I need to play 84 perfect games. In the Pixonic post I linked to above you will see that opening all of those 5 chests and and claiming the end cycle prize will earn me 2.924.000 silver. This corresponds to an average of just under 35000 silver per game. A paltry sum. Looking at these numbers I have to assume that this system will serve as an addition the the current silver earning mechanic, but I don't recall having seen any solid info on this anywhere. Have any of you? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:50:45 GMT -5
I am dumb and found it confusing. My take away from this is similar to yours and, as far as Pix is concerned, my trust levels are bankrupt with regard to implementation and their overall longer term intent.
I do note that they will remove daily tasks eventually (one initially and then the other later) and first win of the day bonuses. Pix has stated : "This is the part of a bigger plan: we’re moving all daily task-related gold income towards Battle Rewards and Supply Drops (in the form of Black Market keys)" . So it appears that the reliance here will be on BM and another opportunity to "encourage" you to use RM.
There is also no mention of how Premium interacts with this and it would appear that these might conflict with the other (what incentive then to have premium for example?) which would impact a revenue stream.
The components are fixed by Pix and that presents limitations for players at certain league levels (e.g. why would you want tempests when it is not the meta at Masters and Champion level). The rotation of components availability are also vague and it just looks more like getting you to a certain point that then might "encourage" you to spend RM to finish off, hope you will continue earning enough through rewards or wait until the next cycle to arrive in however many months.
I haven't crunched the numbers (and won't because, as I said, I am dumb) but I also can't see how this will have an impact on tankers as stated. Higher rewards are for sure available but you will probably play a full 10 minute game (approx) for that reward whereas a TT hangar tanker might turn over almost 3 games in that time at lower tiers and earn more (level dependant).
To answer your final question, the Battle rewards and drop boxes are meant to be in addition to what we currently get for Silver and Pix has stated : "Supply Drops generate you some passive income, Battle Rewards, on the other hand, amplify your income".
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Dec 29, 2017 22:53:08 GMT -5
Its made purposely complicated. This is the best way to appear to be rewarding the player with a better sum while shifting to another currency to mindlessly grind for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 7:42:42 GMT -5
Smoke and mirrors.
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Post by seanh on Dec 30, 2017 9:07:36 GMT -5
They could certainly make it a little clearer.
To be honest the biggest concern is the silver. If this is in addition to regular rewards then great, but how does that stop tanking? I don’t think it does. If it’s instead of current game rewards then it will stop tanking but represents a very dramatic cut in your silver earnings. I fear it’s the latter, with revamped tiered premium options meaning to have to have some form of premium to earn decent amounts of silver.
Also not clear on the timeframe for getting chest. Do you have to get to you max chest inside certain period before a reset, or can you just take as long as you want? For champs you would have to play about 400 games to get the final chest.
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Post by ironstar on Dec 30, 2017 11:26:19 GMT -5
They could certainly make it a little clearer. To be honest the biggest concern is the silver. If this is in addition to regular rewards then great, but how does that stop tanking? I don’t think it does. If it’s instead of current game rewards then it will stop tanking but represents a very dramatic cut in your silver earnings. I fear it’s the latter, with revamped tiered premium options meaning to have to have some form of premium to earn decent amounts of silver. Also not clear on the timeframe for getting chest. Do you have to get to you max chest inside certain period before a reset, or can you just take as long as you want? For champs you would have to play about 400 games to get the final chest. Yes somewhere in the article they mention a 1-2 month cycle before a new type of components can be won. Knowing Pix I am 99,9% certain they will use that occasion to reset the chest progression for all players. |
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Dec 30, 2017 15:01:15 GMT -5
As long as they think they can divert our attention with baubles and boxes while continuing to ignore their matchtanking algorithm then we're going to continue to suffer with tanker/clubbers. I've maintained that algorithm was intentional from the start and PIXONIC just likes to think they can blow smoke up our collective 「bum-bum」es. They've lied to our faces several times without remorse. I honestly don't believe they've ever intended to maintain any kind of gaming quality either. Event after event after event with no let up hardly. It's long since gotten to the point that winning matches is no longer a priority. Finishing those damn tasks in the events is now the main feature of the game. They've turned it around on us. We're no longer playing the game. The game is playing us. ?
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Dec 30, 2017 15:56:23 GMT -5
MK2..about as 「dookie」 brained a way to implement level 13-14. Pix isn't stupid they are just dodgy and shady
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 16:47:44 GMT -5
Hmmm...excluding cumulative totals...
Let's match play for honor points.
Silver player needs 8 chests to match Champions players 1 chest and 2 chest to match Gold Players.
Silver 250 x 8 = 2000 Champions
Silver 250 x 2 > 430 Gold
Silver player gets in reward 6000 tempest components (750 x 8 = 6000)
Champions player gets in reward 13,500 tempest components
Silver player gets in reward 1500 tempest components (750 x 2 = 1500)
Gold player gets in reward 1570 tempest components
Silver player gets in reward 2,840,000 silver (355,000 x 8 = 2,840,000)
Champions player gets in reward 6,800,000 silver
Silver player gets in reward 710,000 silver (355,000 x 2 = 710,000)
Gold player gets in reward 730,000 silver
I think this is how it works...if not someone else can take a crack at explanation. Again...I didn't use cumulative totals either.
I guess you better level up if you want more stuff...of course Champions will be bored quick since they will have everything and will tank down again.
Just for kicks reward level jumps and silver...does not use the cumulative effect (again) of getting all chests at a certain level...just numbers thrown out from their graphs.
HnrPts Inc TotInc Sil% SilTot%
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80 +50 +461%
250 +170 +220 +497% +2,290%
430 +180 +400 +206% +4,710%
670 +240 +640 +187% +8,839%
900 +250 +870 +164% +14,516%
1150 +250 +1120 +140% +20,322%
2000 +850 +1970 +216% +43,871%
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Post by eluray on Dec 30, 2017 19:47:14 GMT -5
Im not so mad about this Imho its a steep in the right direction, maybe to little to late who knows There was many voices in the community "not punisment is the answere to tanking take away the advantage is the answere" i read often now they start doing this suplie drops and new match rewards could make a big difference but as usual Doomsday is coming .... What i realy like is the becons are important part Edit: what i miss is the meters walked part  didnt walk 1000 meters a all = no rewards at all |
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Post by mallexx222 on Jan 14, 2018 22:36:38 GMT -5
This all seems like Pix attempting through whatever recent subterfuge they have concocted to seem generous while remaining stingy. Masters and Champions DO NOT care about silver or winning new, yet obsolete weaponry. What Master or Champion doesn't have a butt load of tempests. Nothing I read would entice a Master or Champion not to tank. I'm only expert and I wouldn't bother with these prizes. Sure if I get them okay no problem but thankful...I think not.
I agree with Aaaarrrrrggghhhh, that in fact this is Pix/Mail.ru's way to reduce AU give away through activities. (This is like all apps the manner that keeps F2P's in the game at all to have ANY chance to compete.) Now replaced by silver, only good for upgrades and controlled component give aways. It's actually very lame IMHO. My guess is that Pix will cycle through under utilized and under powered weapons continually NEVER offering anything that certainly a Master or Champion would EVER want or does not have in spades.
I do like being rewarded for good play. That's cool. But the delivery is crap and insignificant.
Brilliant that they can try to disguise a down grade as an improvement though and a caring act of concern. In this regard I agree with Rockwelder. Pix/Mail.ru are not stupid, they know what they are doing, just dodgy and shady.
However all things come to light in time and time is about up for War Robots I feel with moves like this.
Happy Hunting...while it lasts.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jan 15, 2018 11:44:47 GMT -5
LoganspawnDamn, can't take a little tiny joke much?? Talk about an overreaction. ?
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Jan 15, 2018 11:50:09 GMT -5
Its made purposely complicated. This is the best way to appear to be rewarding the player with a better sum while shifting to another currency to mindlessly grind for. Pixo is a dirty trashcan filled with poop. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 15, 2018 12:13:45 GMT -5
What kills me is that another PvP arena type game I play has weekend BONUSES that amplify the ground for rewards per battle... x3, plus give you their normally purchasable boosters for that same reward, just for logging in and playing. One thing among others that they do right that Pix has absolutely floundered over. The proper way of doing this is out there.... If Pix only WANTED to look.
Ag is the one thing that they need to NOT be stingy with... and all this unneeded complication... well... nm. Pointless thoughts really... Pix'll do what Pix'll do.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Jan 15, 2018 13:35:12 GMT -5
MODERATION:
Ok Fellas, lets stay away from Politics here and keep it peaceful otherwise I will lock this thread up so quick it will make your head spin. This goes to EVERYONE slinging Poo..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 13:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by Strayed on Jan 15, 2018 15:25:14 GMT -5
No politics.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Jan 16, 2018 6:22:59 GMT -5
NO POLITICS?!?!?!?! ZIMMERMAN FLEW AND TYLER KNEW!!!!! TURK 182 (you kids won't get this unless you're a child of the 80s) |
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Post by blackhand7 on Jan 16, 2018 9:37:04 GMT -5
So, I am unclear about how you'll obtain gold in this model besides through game rewards (no more daily tasks eventually, right?). If that is the case, won't people continue to tank to farm gold?
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Post by zer00eyz on Jan 16, 2018 9:38:59 GMT -5
So, I am unclear about how you'll obtain gold in this model besides through game rewards (no more daily tasks eventually, right?). If that is the case, won't people continue to tank to farm gold? Winner winner gold plated dinner, but only if your tanking. Maybe there is some secret gold component to this, but yes cutting back on gold is going to encourage tanking. |
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Post by blackhand7 on Jan 16, 2018 10:04:40 GMT -5
So, I am unclear about how you'll obtain gold in this model besides through game rewards (no more daily tasks eventually, right?). If that is the case, won't people continue to tank to farm gold? Winner winner gold plated dinner, but only if your tanking. Maybe there is some secret gold component to this, but yes cutting back on gold is going to encourage tanking. Well, that sucks. That will really hurt new players who really need gold for slots (big-time) , bots and weapons. And it will suck for the rest of us who still want/need Orkans and gold bots. I guess they are just trying to get people to use RM for gold and trying to satiate us with the "battle rewards." Bad idea. |
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Post by Poopface on Jan 16, 2018 12:07:04 GMT -5
Its made purposely complicated. This is the best way to appear to be rewarding the player with a better sum while shifting to another currency to mindlessly grind for. Pixo is a dirty trashcan filled with poop. Hey hey hey! Don't associate me with them.  I'd be considerably more upstanding if I ran that organization and still be able to make money. |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Jan 16, 2018 14:22:44 GMT -5
Pixo is a dirty trashcan filled with poop. Hey hey hey! Don't associate me with them. I'd be considerably more upstanding if I ran that organization and still be able to make money. ***DISCLAIMER*** THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE POSTED BY DIRTYLIKARAT®, C.E.O. OF DIRTYLIKARAT WORLD INDUSTRIES LLC, DESCRIBING PIXONIC AS A DIRTY TRASH CAN FILLED WITH POOP, WAS IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED WITH POOPFACE, POOPFACE INCORPORATED, OR ANY OF IT'S EMPLOYEES. THE STATEMENT WAS A PERSONAL SUMMATION OF DIRTYLIKARAT®, C.E.O. OF DIRTYLIKARAT® WORLD INDUSTRIES LLC, AND DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE FEELINGS OR VIEWS OF ANY OF THE EMPLOYEES OF DIRTYLIKARAT® WORLD INDUSTRIES OR THEIR FAMILIES. |
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