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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 10:06:05 GMT -5
Currently there are tons of tankers in silver ,even in bronze sometimes ( I am one of those tankers but usually tank in gold )
So I just had a thought in my mind that there are currently tons of weapon like lvled up punishers,molots etc which I hardly use and most of them are in triplets or even more.
So if pix add a trading feauture by which a clan member or a whale can give away his extra stuff which he hardly use it will save newbie upgrade time,cost . I don’t think any champs use any lvl 5-10 stuff and believe they do have tons of them left. Ofc getting higher lvl stuff immediately would be unfair for old members however they can limit it to their lvl and allow unlimited trade once player plays for like 1-2 months and is lvl 30. The member who is giving away stuff might even ask for silver in return if player isn’t newbie and pix could add tax ( in form of silver) to trade if the stuff he is trading is high lvl ( lvl 10) and premium items
Also they could limit trading of bots and weap let’s say to max lvl mk1 lvl 8/9 to prevent trading again and again between same guys. This way many guys specially newbies can get benefit .
Some whales have many extra premium weaps too however they lack silver,while some other person like me have tons of silver but less premium gears so both party can help out each other.
This way I believe except some regular tankers, most of others will stop tanking and newbies will get some boost at start , although I believe pix won’t apply such feauture coz they love to milk away newbies
Any thoughts on this idea ?
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Post by AzureAura on Dec 24, 2017 10:23:52 GMT -5
Certain lvls shouldn't be able to be traded as it could lead to seal clubbing unless they reach a higher level.
Certain weapons and bots shouldn't be available for trade tho because they are powerful and pretty valuable (the new stuff) and I'm pretty sure you don't want to accidentally trade it away
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Post by MΞCHДИISΓIC on Dec 24, 2017 10:34:50 GMT -5
Certain lvls shouldn't be able to be traded as it could lead to seal clubbing unless they reach a higher level. Certain weapons and bots shouldn't be available for trade tho because they are powerful and pretty valuable (the new stuff) and I'm pretty sure you don't want to accidentally trade it away I agree trading would be a bad idea. Think about the old days of MMORPGs. People used to twink the hell out of lowbies and they had a huge advantage. You think tanking is bad now. Unless they change the MM back to a hangar based system this would ruin the game for newcomers without a high level account or a generous clan. |
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Post by mechtout on Dec 24, 2017 10:40:31 GMT -5
What is this money saving niceness you speak of? Pixonic will have none of this!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 10:43:46 GMT -5
If they allowed trading, people will abuse it, create multiple reroll accounts and roll the BM over and over until they get something good like a weapon or bot and trade it back into the main account.
Same goes for Silver, WSP and Gold bot/weapons.
There is no profit for Pigxonic in implementing this trading feature but losses.
Take Final Fantasy Mobius for example.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 10:50:34 GMT -5
If they allowed trading, people will abuse it, create multiple reroll accounts and roll the BM over and over until they get something good like a weapon or bot and trade it back into the main account. Same goes for Silver, WSP and Gold bot/weapons. There is no profit for Pigxonic in implementing this trading feature but losses. Take Final Fantasy Mobius for example. As I said above it should be allowed only certain lvl for e.g. - lvl 8+ weap cannot be traded irrespective of what weap it is , it could be either most op weap or worst weap in game and same for the bots Also if trading max allowed weap lvl there should be tax allotted in form of silver for both players ( more if weap/bots are premium like shocktrains etc) so the other guy who is giving away stuff would get a limit to give stuff bcoz silver is second important currency after components as it is used for lvling up stuff |
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 10:54:05 GMT -5
Certain lvls shouldn't be able to be traded as it could lead to seal clubbing unless they reach a higher level. Certain weapons and bots shouldn't be available for trade tho because they are powerful and pretty valuable (the new stuff) and I'm pretty sure you don't want to accidentally trade it away I mentioned it in the bots that max allowed lvl should be let’s say lvl 7/8 and more tax inform of silver should be aloted specially to those giving away stuff if it’s premium ( like 2-5 mil silver ) That can help out reducing tanking although pix would lose their precious $$$ |
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 10:56:14 GMT -5
Certain lvls shouldn't be able to be traded as it could lead to seal clubbing unless they reach a higher level. Certain weapons and bots shouldn't be available for trade tho because they are powerful and pretty valuable (the new stuff) and I'm pretty sure you don't want to accidentally trade it away I agree trading would be a bad idea. Think about the old days of MMORPGs. People used to twink the hell out of lowbies and they had a huge advantage. You think tanking is bad now. Unless they change the MM back to a hangar based system this would ruin the game for newcomers without a high level account or a generous clan. Well I still don’t get it , why would it be bad for players ? Only pix would have loss from it as they will lose some new guys who can spend a lot although they will get some players who can spend a little per week  |
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Post by inspirace on Dec 24, 2017 11:31:33 GMT -5
when Pix first mentioned "black market", I envisioned something like this: (1) players can sell anything on the black market, with a price tag (Au, Ag, or WSP) they choose to put, (2) however, players cannot choose who is buying it. once posted on the black market, it is open to everyone for sale, (3) items not sold within a certain time (48 hours?) is returned to the seller, (4) there is a fee (not RM, Au or Ag) for posting an item on the market, even if the item was not sold, (5) there is a fee (not RM, Au or Ag) for browsing items on the market or browsing availalbe for a limited time per day, so that players won't just sit there looking for cheap hunt whole day, this will probably bring a chaos, but what the hell  |
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Post by robocain on Dec 24, 2017 11:35:26 GMT -5
Pixonic will NEVER gift us with trades, that's for sure. They'd be stupid if they did. They'd lose tons of cash. It would be awesome for players, but it will never ever happen!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -5
It's still a good idea because if you think about it, the new players (Pigsonics future customers) will stay longer.
Problem 1. Not everyone is willing to trade their shock train weapon for example, to a new player because it's hard/take a long time to acquire one and some are generous enough to help the newbies.
Problem 2. People have malicious intentions to benefit themselves and will exploit the new players (who are clueless about the game) and system by persuading them to trade in any gold bot or weapon like Zeus for a silver weapon like Tulumbas.
Problem 3. Pixonic can't ban the 2 players mentioned in problem 2 for exploiting their system (costing them money) because they can't distinguish between legit trade or un-legit trade.
If I'm wrong then correct me man.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 24, 2017 11:42:57 GMT -5
Maybe multiple weapons can be combined to form a higher level version of the weapon?
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Post by +DethHilt+ on Dec 24, 2017 11:43:42 GMT -5
Would love trading
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 11:55:12 GMT -5
It's still a good idea because if you think about it, the new players (Pigsonics future customers) will stay longer. Problem 1. Not everyone is willing to trade their shock train weapon for example, to a new player because it's hard/take a long time to acquire one and some are generous enough to help the newbies. Problem 2. People have malicious intentions to benefit themselves and will exploit the new players (who are clueless about the game) and system by persuading them to trade in any gold bot or weapon like Zeus for a silver weapon like Tulumbas. Problem 3. Pixonic can't ban the 2 players mentioned in problem 2 for exploiting their system (costing them money) because they can't distinguish between legit trade or un-legit trade. If I'm wrong then correct me man. About first problem, yes no one will give away their shocktrains for which they farmed so hard or payed for it. However as meta changes some weapons and bots becomes old and some people donât play with it irrespective of how much they costed before. Currently I have 2 rogs which literally are of no use for me ( won both from chest) because I got a kumiho , bulg , mk2 golem etc and rogs are kinda costly to upgrade . So Iâll gladly give it away to someone ,might as well keep one of them but will give away second one and ork rog still kicks some 「bum-bum」 at lower leaugues. Also many people donât use weapons like tempest which is hard to obtain compared to other weapons like thunder. So I believe he will gladly give it away. No one would give the weapon which is op in current meta but there are some weapons which are good,hard to obtain and a person have it but he donât use it coz he prefers some other weapons. Also there are some generous people who can give away some stuff which are op in current meta ( I know of some of such peeps although wonât say their IGN here ) For second problem pix should give some details to new players before they could trade . A short and sweet note ,also if a person has not been given what he asked for he should take screen shots while trading and there should be a report button where he can report that player by posting screen shots . Also before accepting trade there should be confirmation required from both side twice. Although as I said pix wonât get benefit at short term but for long term they can re develop new player base and game might be able to live little longer . Such feauture will benefit both pix as well as players although pix will get its benefit in long term. There are many people who are willing to spend 10-50 dollars for a game in one month although what they get in return is nothing compared to new op bots or weap which cost 150 $ or more per piece they wonât pay for it , however new players might spend a little for gold if pix is willing to help them out too which they ofc arenât interested |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 11:57:36 GMT -5
Maybe multiple weapons can be combined to form a higher level version of the weapon? you mean 2 MK-2 shock trains will be combined into one MK-3 shock train? one shot one kill, like 1993 Sniper movie :P ahem, it's hard for new players to earn silver so obtaining 6 tulumbas just to upgrade it straight to level 6 is too silver costly IMO. |
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 24, 2017 11:59:57 GMT -5
This would be exploited, would create more seal clubbing, and would not be easy to monetize without defeating its purpose. Trading will never be implemented in this game.
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Post by U Camp = I Camp on Dec 24, 2017 12:04:18 GMT -5
Uhhh, and how exactly does Pix financially profit from this feature if they allow it.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 12:08:26 GMT -5
This would be exploited, would create more seal clubbing, and would not be easy to monetize without defeating its purpose. Trading will never be implemented in this game. It won’t be unless pix don’t take required steps , I have played some games where trading feauture worked really nicely although they were completely different from War Robots and main currency for trading could be easily farmed unlike War Robots where silver from matches keeps on decreasing after each update. If I play with my ork kumiho I can easily take out atleast 4-5 bots before getting killed , now that won’t be case if the weap lvl are high. Even weapon like trebuchet requires wsp which I don’t use and have tons of them available from event however coz of tankers I do t think any newbie could ever hope for getting good stuff from events. However that won’t be case if peeps start giving away stuff to such players . It would take some time to build a pdb griffin or treb natty, more time for upgrading them ,now if I give them some lvl 4/5 trebs and plasma they would be able to atleast do a little damage to those haeichi users. Also there are many quitters who would gladly give away their stuff to newbies if they aren’t planning to comeback |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 12:14:02 GMT -5
Uhhh, and how exactly does Pix financially profit from this feature if they allow it? If new players stay then they will spend some money like darkknight said and they get a boost from the high-level players buying silver lv6 weapons/bots via trading. By the way Pigsonic does things, if they do add the trade feature, it'd cost a small silver fee to do the trade from both players, once the trade is accepted from both parties then they have to wait for a certain time frame for the traded items to arrive in their inventory and they can speed it up by using gold. |
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Post by darkknight on Dec 24, 2017 12:17:17 GMT -5
Uhhh, and how exactly does Pix financially profit from this feature if they allow it? LEts assume I am a new player , now I am facing a tanker with let’s say lvl 8-10 weapon. what I own is a base lvl griffin, leo etc with some punisher ,molots . Now after facing even a kumiho I will give up or will buy that bot , if I can’t buy then I’ll quit the game instantly. Now if someone is good enough to give me lvl 6 tarans or mags I still might like to play a little. And if I am able to keep up even a little then game is addictive so I’ll play more. So I might spend some 5-50 dollars in a month or two depending upto what I got. Now War Robots is a famous game,a lot of newbies starts lvl up their bots and when some high lvl bots kills me against whom no matter how much skill I got I can’t win I’ll rather quit , however for above situation ( if someone gives me some stuff) then I’ll play. So so this way I can spend some money in the game even if it’s s little. And when the game becomes more famous like coc once was ( maybe it still is ? Idk) new players would increase and so would the gradual increase in the $$. There aren’t many whales ,however there are far too many players who can spend s little money on game . It would be a long term benefit though, however pix is short sighted .. they wanna milk away millions instantly while they may make billions in little more time if hey improve the game |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 24, 2017 12:34:13 GMT -5
Maybe multiple weapons can be combined to form a higher level version of the weapon? you mean 2 MK-2 shock trains will be combined into one MK-3 shock train? one shot one kill, like 1993 Sniper movie  ahem, it's hard for new players to earn silver so obtaining 6 tulumbas just to upgrade it straight to level 6 is too silver costly IMO. Well like all things, limits and ratios should be established so as not to be exploited. I would love to trade. Ive got a lot of components and equipment that I wont use. But if this is not in pixos best interest, combining units might be a suitable alternative. |
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Post by Radar love on Dec 24, 2017 12:34:25 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea. You would need to be at a certain level minimum 25, so you have an idea of what's going on. There would need to be a maximum upgrade level, no level 4 Gareth running around with MK2 Orkin and pin in silver. It should be a benefit for the guy trading off the level 7 taran or at least not penalize him.
Sure this has some clubbing consequences but the guy that bought up all the goody would progress pretty fast in the league's but we're not talking about giving him level 12 weapons for bronze play.
So what about the guy who creates multiple accounts just to spin and farm supply drops, if they ever come out, that is simple no selling up. You can't sell to guys in more than 1 league up. Or you can't better weapons more than one league up. Zeus ava thunder are pretty comparable, but a king and a treb are not.
My two copper pennies.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 24, 2017 12:35:46 GMT -5
This would be exploited, would create more seal clubbing, and would not be easy to monetize without defeating its purpose. Trading will never be implemented in this game. It won’t be unless pix don’t take required steps , I have played some games where trading feauture worked really nicely although they were completely different from War Robots and main currency for trading could be easily farmed unlike War Robots where silver from matches keeps on decreasing after each update. If I play with my ork kumiho I can easily take out atleast 4-5 bots before getting killed , now that won’t be case if the weap lvl are high. Even weapon like trebuchet requires wsp which I don’t use and have tons of them available from event however coz of tankers I do t think any newbie could ever hope for getting good stuff from events. However that won’t be case if peeps start giving away stuff to such players . It would take some time to build a pdb griffin or treb natty, more time for upgrading them ,now if I give them some lvl 4/5 trebs and plasma they would be able to atleast do a little damage to those haeichi users. Also there are many quitters who would gladly give away their stuff to newbies if they aren’t planning to comeback That's my point. Why would Pix want free stuff traded among players, who would otherwise have to grind or pay for it? Besides that, it means players can undercut Pixonic's deals to turn personal profits and even more so cut into Pixonic's bottom line. Dash bots on sale for $99? Well I have an extra one, so you give me $75 and I'll trade it to you for 1 Ag (or something equally worthless) in game. Every game I've ever seen with a trading market, people end up using as a third party store. Trading systems make absolutely no sense from a business standpoint, and Pixonic are not that stupid when it comes to business. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -5
It's still a good idea because if you think about it, the new players (Pigsonics future customers) will stay longer. Problem 1. Not everyone is willing to trade their shock train weapon for example, to a new player because it's hard/take a long time to acquire one and some are generous enough to help the newbies. Problem 2. People have malicious intentions to benefit themselves and will exploit the new players (who are clueless about the game) and system by persuading them to trade in any gold bot or weapon like Zeus for a silver weapon like Tulumbas. Problem 3. Pixonic can't ban the 2 players mentioned in problem 2 for exploiting their system (costing them money) because they can't distinguish between legit trade or un-legit trade. If I'm wrong then correct me man. About first problem, yes no one will give away their shocktrains for which they farmed so hard or payed for it. However as meta changes some weapons and bots becomes old and some people donâ??t play with it irrespective of how much they costed before. Currently I have 2 rogs which literally are of no use for me ( won both from chest) because I got a kumiho , bulg , mk2 golem etc and rogs are kinda costly to upgrade . So Iâ??ll gladly give it away to someone ,might as well keep one of them but will give away second one and ork rog still kicks some ?bum-bum? at lower leaugues. Also many people donâ??t use weapons like tempest which is hard to obtain compared to other weapons like thunder. So I believe he will gladly give it away. No one would give the weapon which is op in current meta but there are some weapons which are good,hard to obtain and a person have it but he donâ??t use it coz he prefers some other weapons. Also there are some generous people who can give away some stuff which are op in current meta ( I know of some of such peeps although wonâ??t say their IGN here ) For second problem pix should give some details to new players before they could trade . A short and sweet note ,also if a person has not been given what he asked for he should take screen shots while trading and there should be a report button where he can report that player by posting screen shots . Also before accepting trade there should be confirmation required from both side twice. Although as I said pix wonâ??t get benefit at short term but for long term they can re develop new player base and game might be able to live little longer . Such feauture will benefit both pix as well as players although pix will get its benefit in long term. There are many people who are willing to spend 10-50 dollars for a game in one month although what they get in return is nothing compared to new op bots or weap which cost 150 $ or more per piece they wonâ??t pay for it , however new players might spend a little for gold if pix is willing to help them out too which they ofc arenâ??t interested 1. Only the ones fortunate enough to get into a good clan will be donated with all the goodies like gold weapons/bots, meanwhile, the clanless ones will have to search for someone willing to do a fair trade without worrying of being scammed. By the time new meta has arrived in the game, the new player will be long gone due to tankers and seal clubbers. 2. The malicious person exploiting the new player via trading can switch the item he is trading quickly and lock it in at the last moment like Trove for example and this creates a complicated mess for the new player and the support team. Even with screenshots from the new player, then Pigsonic would either have to give away a free Zeus to the new player to compensate him or take away the Zeus from the malicious player and have him report to support team about missing items on his account. 3. If the new player doesn't get compensated for the scam trade then he will quit the game in frustration and no $$$ for Pigsonic, this is all in the malicious player's favour as he evades a ban and exploits the system. Though I understand that you're simply trying to help out new players and I do too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 12:50:18 GMT -5
Yeah, say I get bored of this game and decide to give away my lv7 bulgasari bot to some random new player.
Would Pixonic want this to happen? the bot itself costs $300 and someone just got it for free via trading.
Edit: I've given away my Final Fantasy Mobius, Trove and SAS4 account to some random new player which I spent $200 on each account. Get bored of the game and move on.
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Post by U Camp = I Camp on Dec 24, 2017 14:14:45 GMT -5
Uhhh, and how exactly does Pix financially profit from this feature if they allow it? If new players stay then they will spend some money like darkknight said and they get a boost from the high-level players buying silver lv6 weapons/bots via trading. By the way Pigsonic does things, if they do add the trade feature, it'd cost a small silver fee to do the trade from both players, once the trade is accepted from both parties then they have to wait for a certain time frame for the traded items to arrive in their inventory and they can speed it up by using gold. Uhhh, and how exactly does Pix financially profit from this feature if they allow it? LEts assume I am a new player , now I am facing a tanker with let’s say lvl 8-10 weapon. what I own is a base lvl griffin, leo etc with some punisher ,molots . Now after facing even a kumiho I will give up or will buy that bot , if I can’t buy then I’ll quit the game instantly. Now if someone is good enough to give me lvl 6 tarans or mags I still might like to play a little. And if I am able to keep up even a little then game is addictive so I’ll play more. So I might spend some 5-50 dollars in a month or two depending upto what I got. Now War Robots is a famous game,a lot of newbies starts lvl up their bots and when some high lvl bots kills me against whom no matter how much skill I got I can’t win I’ll rather quit , however for above situation ( if someone gives me some stuff) then I’ll play. So so this way I can spend some money in the game even if it’s s little. And when the game becomes more famous like coc once was ( maybe it still is ? Idk) new players would increase and so would the gradual increase in the $$. There aren’t many whales ,however there are far too many players who can spend s little money on game . It would be a long term benefit though, however pix is short sighted .. they wanna milk away millions instantly while they may make billions in little more time if hey improve the game Guys, my post wasn't a real question, it was rhetorical. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I actually think it's a good one that heavily benefits players although it can be abused & exploited. The main killing point to me is how it can potentially undercut Pix's profit margin. I highly doubt they seriously consider this feature imho. Then again, they did just say they were going to re-balance the old bots, that was a surprising announcement based on their recent history and I think they're passing over more profitable choices, so who knows. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 24, 2017 14:41:20 GMT -5
pix sells digital equipement for $300. They aren't going to let us trade stuff between ourselves. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 18:55:37 GMT -5
It won’t be unless pix don’t take required steps , I have played some games where trading feauture worked really nicely although they were completely different from War Robots and main currency for trading could be easily farmed unlike War Robots where silver from matches keeps on decreasing after each update. If I play with my ork kumiho I can easily take out atleast 4-5 bots before getting killed , now that won’t be case if the weap lvl are high. Even weapon like trebuchet requires wsp which I don’t use and have tons of them available from event however coz of tankers I do t think any newbie could ever hope for getting good stuff from events. However that won’t be case if peeps start giving away stuff to such players . It would take some time to build a pdb griffin or treb natty, more time for upgrading them ,now if I give them some lvl 4/5 trebs and plasma they would be able to atleast do a little damage to those haeichi users. Also there are many quitters who would gladly give away their stuff to newbies if they aren’t planning to comeback That's my point. Why would Pix want free stuff traded among players, who would otherwise have to grind or pay for it? Besides that, it means players can undercut Pixonic's deals to turn personal profits and even more so cut into Pixonic's bottom line. Dash bots on sale for $99? Well I have an extra one, so you give me $75 and I'll trade it to you for 1 Ag (or something equally worthless) in game. Every game I've ever seen with a trading market, people end up using as a third party store. Trading systems make absolutely no sense from a business standpoint, and Pixonic are not that stupid when it comes to business. Well, they're pretty stupid. Remember the 3rd Anniversary Event lol? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 19:02:51 GMT -5
Someone could create 10x accounts. Farm WSP at 510 per day, plus the 5 Au->WSP conversions. After a couple months, each account buys 1 new bot/weapon. Give it back to the main account for free.
We've already seen how clans and clubbers have no shame.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Dec 24, 2017 19:15:42 GMT -5
The biggest issue with this idea has already been identified multiple times. There is nothing in it for Pixonic. And the first question Pixonic asks themselves before doing anything is always how can we shake more money out of the community's pockets. If the answer is we can't the idea is dead. So maybe if everyone says they will pay real money to be able to trade, there is a hope this could be done.
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