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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 18, 2017 11:23:30 GMT -5
I really think this system works. What made it all work for me were the daily deals. If not for them then the BM isn't enough for people to get anything other than luck in the superchest. Pix gives away alot of stuff in events but besides event stuff here is what I've gotten in order with components.
1. Scourge (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold) 2. Ember (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold) 3. Storm (won total of 10,000 components in a week just doing lots of Bronze chests) 4. Less than 50 components away from Haechi (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold; the last few thousand mainly doing WSP as they are a better deal) 5. Less than 3000 away from Shocktrain 6. Less than 3000 away from Scourge 7. Less than 4000 away from Ember
Definitely takes lots of WSP and gold if you have it. But the main thing is to play alot and collect WSP and trade 25 gold a day for more WSP. That was unheard of pre-component days. Now I do that every day.
In events I've gotten 3 Tempest, Kumiho, 2 Shocktrains and the Bulg. If I do the next event there won't be a thing other than Inquisitor that I don't have when it comes to new stuff. O and pre component I won another Tempest in the BM. So 4 total.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Dec 18, 2017 11:45:03 GMT -5
It's too random still. The offers would be better if they were constant instead of 1 a day. The black market is pretty much useless other than taking free spins. Don't get me wrong, I still take the spins from keys too, but it will never allow me to acquire enough components to assemble even a weapon itself. The lack of availability is such a greedy move on Pixonic's part. The length of time required is too long as well. By the time you can get what you're trying to it will be obsolete because of the insane release schedule. The game I USED to play before War Robots did the same thing. They released too much new gear which always increased in price. It became impossible to keep up as a F2P players and only the biggest spenders stayed. It won't be long before I'm telling that same story only War Robots will be the game I just left along with lots of others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 13:09:16 GMT -5
It's too random still. The offers would be better if they were constant instead of 1 a day. The black market is pretty much useless other than taking free spins. Don't get me wrong, I still take the spins from keys too, but it will never allow me to acquire enough components to assemble even a weapon itself. The lack of availability is such a greedy move on Pixonic's part. The length of time required is too long as well. By the time you can get what you're trying to it will be obsolete because of the insane release schedule. The game I USED to play before War Robots did the same thing. They released too much new gear which always increased in price. It became impossible to keep up as a F2P players and only the biggest spenders stayed. It won't be long before I'm telling that same story only War Robots will be the game I just left along with lots of others. The 4 medium hardpoint bot looks like a blue battle toad. I can't wait for the 4 heavy hardpoint bot because I desperately want to know if it's going to look like a whale.
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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 18, 2017 14:52:08 GMT -5
The Daily Deals are consistent and predictable in terms of the max components that will be available for an item for a week. If I took the time I'm sure there is a pattern to the two components that are on sale as well per day.
I've passed on some 400 gold deals and had patience. The Haechi is close. Hopefully a WSP deal for one that will include a second item I like as well. I don't waste resources on secondcomponents I don't need/want like Kumiho/Tempest/Bulg/Inquisitor. Every other second component I will take along with the Haechi.
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Post by abarus39 on Dec 18, 2017 14:54:02 GMT -5
The daily deals were ok for a while but lately they seem to be very meh... There was usually one that offered 700+ components for one of the weapons using WSPs but have not seen that one for a while.... Instead of daily deals can we not just straight up trade WSPs for components at some pre-determined rip off rate?
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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 18, 2017 16:06:09 GMT -5
Wooohooo just took the WSP deal and got enough finally for my Haechi. I now own all three Dash bots. Never spend a dime of RM. Just played alot and traded in alot of WSP and gold. Still got tons of gold. Next thing to work for is maybe my second hangar as I've got so many bots now.
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1. Third Shocktrain for Bulg 2. Second Ember in case I wanna try a dual Ember Natty or Carny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:11:07 GMT -5
I really think this system works. What made it all work for me were the daily deals. If not for them then the BM isn't enough for people to get anything other than luck in the superchest. Pix gives away alot of stuff in events but besides event stuff here is what I've gotten in order with components. 1. Scourge (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold) 2. Ember (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold) 3. Storm (won total of 10,000 components in a week just doing lots of Bronze chests) 4. Less than 50 components away from Haechi (did this taking daily deals using WSP and gold; the last few thousand mainly doing WSP as they are a better deal) 5. Less than 3000 away from Shocktrain 6. Less than 3000 away from Scourge 7. Less than 4000 away from Ember Definitely takes lots of WSP and gold if you have it. But the main thing is to play alot and collect WSP and trade 25 gold a day for more WSP. That was unheard of pre-component days. Now I do that every day. In events I've gotten 3 Tempest, Kumiho, 2 Shocktrains and the Bulg. If I do the next event there won't be a thing other than Inquisitor that I don't have when it comes to new stuff. O and pre component I won another Tempest in the BM. So 4 total. The premise that the system works is not entirely correct unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time. Gold is not as available as it was even 6 months ago so the only possibility to collect is a) buy it, b) consistently win games and realistically be top 2 every time or c) have the best luck in the world and consistently win it on BM. The concept of buying WSP with Gold has been available since I have been playing the game for the last 12 months at least, so this is not new. Event prizes are great if you are new, or reasonably so, but the ability to gain the top prizes are out of reach for many for a range of RL reasons. The prizes themselves (think Natasha, Leo, Trident) do not as greater value if you are in Gold 1 and higher as they used to have - it's almost like a new year car clearance sale of the older models. As for free spins, you may or may not have noticed that the latest one for the Zeus no longer has a free spin and the first spin is 5 gold. Without WSP and Gold I have noticed (and others have mentioned elsewhere) I get to a certain point in saving components and the availability in the gambling mechanisms like BM become more scarce unless you are prepared to drop more Gold (there it is again!!), RM or wait an extended timeframe (which you obviously have not luckily had to do).
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 17:11:23 GMT -5
This system is a big fat rad carrot for most people to keep them amused and occupied with the collection activity in a vain hope of catching up with paying customers. This system is not designed to allow the vast majority to catch up. It is a pacifier/dummy.
Converting 25 gold per day will give you 800WSP daily. The average deal is worth about 2000 WSPs which means you can purchase twice every second day. As an example the average Shocktrain offer provides 240 components. That means from the 25 gold budget and normal daily accumulation it will take 104 days to get one together and the cost of it is 83K WSPs. That’s not a working system. If you target other valuable items the time to get them increases dramatically. And you are targeting multiple items which requires a huge budget.
To top it all off you need multiple of weapons and multiple of bots to be competitive and in addition you need to have them highly levelled. The simple fact is that the vast majority of people cant do that which in turn will establish a tiering of capability based on the size of someone’s valet.
Noting you did not mention purchasing of gold using RM, have mentioned achieving all event targets, mentioned spending gold on offers (which F2P players cant do consistently) and mentioned high activity levels I think you are confusing several aspects here when you are claiming that the system works. The important factor why the system works partially for you has not been declared adequately. And even so it doesn’t work because you will not have adequate stuff together and levelled high enough before the next meta change or all powerful item release. You can only keep up with RM.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Dec 18, 2017 17:27:42 GMT -5
The really sad thing is the system is not broken. It functions exactly as Pixonic intended it to. Like T34 said, it's little more than a thinly veiled slap in the face to anyone paying attention.
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Post by Doomsf on Dec 18, 2017 18:11:50 GMT -5
The problem with the components, that the more compoment items added, the more harder to grind what you need. Components its not one currency that you can chose what u want. But u must grind something specific and wait and wait and wait for the relevant deals. Which sometimes you wont see for long time once we get new items every update. In my openion this is crazy and its far harder than gold/silver/wsp grinding, especially that the deals are bundled with stuff you dont need and the cards/rollet is a rip of for haieshi..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 18:23:24 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time"
That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player.
As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot.
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 18:43:44 GMT -5
The problem with the components, that the more compoment items added, the more harder to grind what you need. Components its not one currency that you can chose what u want. But u must grind something specific and wait and wait and wait for the relevant deals. Which sometimes you wont see for long time once we get new items every update. In my openion this is crazy and its far harder than gold/silver/wsp grinding, especially that the deals are bundled with stuff you dont need and the cards/rollet is a rip of for haieshi.. The issue here is that the OP made a claim that the component system is working and working for him because of the reasons he outlined above. The issue is that the reasons provided do not add up and hence his statement is misleading. There is much more to the story which is not revealed. On the 2nd of Dec he stated that he is 2200 components from a Haechi and today he claimed he got his haechi using the above method. Noting the recent 120 Haechi offers available 6 out of 7 days he would have required roughly 36K of WSP to complete that transaction (assuming one offer per day). That also means he would require 2157 WSPs a day which in turn requires roughly 300 gold converted per day to achieve (unless he hasn’t reached the top level in the WS but even than it’s a large number in terms of gold). But in any case, it is way north of 25 gold per day. At the 300 gold conversion rate it makes no difference to this story whether he uses gold or WSP conversions. And to top it off how did he afford all the previous purchases and how does he afford all the other concurrent gold and WSP purchases for the other items he talked about? Love to hear back.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Dec 18, 2017 18:50:33 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. I've been playing for a minute... I've spent somewhere around 40k in WSP and more than 5kau on offers, focused on a haechi. I have like 8200 components. I'm getting somewhere but I'm still a good bit from finished. There is no guarantee haechi won't be nerfed again either in the update that is due any day now. So it's possible that could all be for nothing by the time I actually manage to come up with 10k.
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Post by endyu on Dec 18, 2017 18:56:55 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. I've been playing for a minute... I've spent somewhere around 40k in WSP and more than 5kau on offers, focused on a haechi. I have like 8200 components. I'm getting somewhere but I'm still a good bit from finished. There is no guarantee haechi won't be nerfed again either in the update that is due any day now. So it's possible that could all be for nothing by the time I actually manage to come up with 10k. They're thinking about releasing a bot with 4 medium hardpoints and descent and a bot with 5 dashes... I'm pretty sure they're not going to nerf the Haechi again.
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 19:02:07 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. If he is using a stockpile it makes no sense to claim that the system is working. That’s misleading again. All he is doing than is a slow purchase. He could easily go the wheels and get it over and done with quickly and rightfully claim that the purchase of component gear is available for gold. His stockpile is another interesting thing. A haechi is worth about 125K WSPs. A ST about 80K WSP. 1.6 of embers another 130K WSP. That’s 335K WSP without even looking at the other stuff or its equivalent in gold.
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 19:04:32 GMT -5
I've been playing for a minute... I've spent somewhere around 40k in WSP and more than 5kau on offers, focused on a haechi. I have like 8200 components. I'm getting somewhere but I'm still a good bit from finished. There is no guarantee haechi won't be nerfed again either in the update that is due any day now. So it's possible that could all be for nothing by the time I actually manage to come up with 10k. They're thinking about releasing a bot with 4 medium hardpoints and descent and a bot with 5 dashes... I'm pretty sure they're not going to nerf the Haechi again. the Haechi nerf was symbolic to appease the masses who complained about how OP it was.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 18, 2017 19:12:15 GMT -5
The daily deals were ok for a while but lately they seem to be very meh... There was usually one that offered 700+ components for one of the weapons using WSPs but have not seen that one for a while.... Instead of daily deals can we not just straight up trade WSPs for components at some pre-determined rip off rate? pix made a mistake by giving offers high amounts quarantine of components to players knowingly they would get the stuff in no time so they cut it down extending the farming time a lot slower hoping the players would give up and pay up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:12:55 GMT -5
I think the system works better for long time players. I traded accounts, so this one did not get much play and have much. But my other account has 100K WSP and ~10K Au sitting in the bank untouched. I also "play" a smurf account to double my WSP production so i can get the toys sooner, but of course, they won't be on the same account then.
Most of the deals are known now, so someone can add them all up to see how much WSP it would take. I've done that for the Roachi assuming you only go for WSP deals, and only the 360 ones. The Au deals are terrible offers, and the exchange rate is 3:1 instead of keeping it high at almost 10:1. So for instance, 10K of Au is either 30K of WSP for 130K WSP total, or 100K or WSP for 200K WSP total. I think many know that 30K of WSP goes by fast, really fast in fact but some will want the item sooner. The 120 WSP bundles aren't really worse than the 360 WSP bundles, because most will want to get more than 1 thing from components.
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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 18, 2017 20:06:32 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. I used gold and WSP for the Haechi at first when the deals came out until I had a good understanding, from a post on this forum, that the WSP deals were far better than gold. Yes just like most things in life, the best things are gotten through alot of time and effort. If it was as easy as playing for 2 weeks and having a Haechi, it might make the people who have played for years (I've played for less than a year) feel like they played all that for nothing. I sorta like it that Pix rewards people for playing alot. Like the events are set up to give, for free, a Kumiho and a Bulg, if you play alot. You can play for 2 weeks and have gotten those. Just have to play alot. It is a grind and there are too many events for my taste. But it's nice getting free good stuff instead of having to wait. I'd rather components gotten via trading in WSP and some gold than paying for an item with IP or 14K gold. (price of a dumb Butch)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:07:44 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. If he is using a stockpile it makes no sense to claim that the system is working. That’s misleading again. All he is doing than is a slow purchase. He could easily go the wheels and get it over and done with quickly and rightfully claim that the purchase of component gear is available for gold. His stockpile is another interesting thing. A haechi is worth about 125K WSPs. A ST about 80K WSP. 1.6 of embers another 130K WSP. That’s 335K WSP without even looking at the other stuff or its equivalent in gold. Your math is wrong. Right now, I see 120 Roachi + 240 Shocktrain for 1300 WSP. This will be hypothetical and not based on what offers were actually available since no one is keeping track of them, but if you get those offers, this is what will happen. 10K components / 120 Roachi = 83.3 offers need to buy to get 1 Roachi 83.3 * 1300 WSP = ~108.3K WSP total to buy 1 Roachi 83.3 * 240 Shocktrain = ~20K Shocktrain components Now, I don't know how much a Roachi/Scourge combo is, but it's pretty similar so I bet 1400 WSP or 1200 WSP in that ball park (1700 WSP). So spending ~108.3K WSP will get 1 Roachi, and either 2 Shocktrains or 2 Scourges or 1 Shocktrain/1 Scourge. In terms of time, that could take 83 days if you buy 1 offer per day, so about 3 months (30 days per month). But there are bumper crop days, so usually 1 Roachi WSP offer paired with 1 Roachi Au offer. Also, maybe once a week the 360 offers appear. So today, I see 4 Roachi offers so you can get it all so 120 x 4 = 480 Roachi components for 1300 WSP + 1700 WSP + 500 Au + 400 Au paired with the Shocktrain, Ember, Kumiho, and Ember respectively. Lol, I see the Scourge combo, but not gonna redo the math. I think the component deals have been out 2-3 months, maybe more? So you can get 510+40 WSP per day. Including converting Au to WSP, and doing 5 of them per day, so 5+8+12+19+29 Au = 73 Au per day for 600 WSP / day. I already did this calculation and someone said 73 Au per day is too low for farming, so please check my other post if you don't farm much. So let's say he can make an additional 2 conversions, so 45 + 70 = 115 Au additional or 115+73 = 188 total Au per day, so 600+250+320 = 1170 WSP from conversions. Total WSP production would be 550+1170 = 1720 WSP per day. So 83 days * 1720 = ~142.7K WSP. If he started with 100K WSP at the beginning, he'd have to grind like mad to get all that gear, but it's possible to get quite a bit of stuff already just based on math and not the actual deals. I don't know his stash of Au at the beginning either. So yeah, enough time has probably passed to get 2 Haechis, 2 Scourges, 2 Shocktrains or some equivalent just from WSP daily offers. It's not unheard of to grind 120 Au per day to reach the 188 Au for conversions. Don't forget the 9 Au for squadding, the extra Au from Halloween event, and small amounts from the BM, plus the new ads this month. Back in the old days before BM and events, if you farm 188 Au per day, Ancile+Lancelot would be 6500/188 = 34.5 days to get one. But if you play casually like me, (I don't do farming), then I don't have anything yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:18:05 GMT -5
@aaarrggghhh "unless you have lots of WSP and Gold already stockpiled over a long period of time" That pretty much explains why he got the WSP daily offer deals so easily to get his Haechi. Probably a long time player. As for people like me who play on and off, my WSP is level 15, yet I only have 980 WSP left after buying stuff like storm+hover WSP deals which went from 100 to 1k WSP, 3 Tarans, 4 magnums and a Fujin bot. I used gold and WSP for the Haechi at first when the deals came out until I had a good understanding, from a post on this forum, that the WSP deals were far better than gold. Yes just like most things in life, the best things are gotten through alot of time and effort. If it was as easy as playing for 2 weeks and having a Haechi, it might make the people who have played for years (I've played for less than a year) feel like they played all that for nothing. I sorta like it that Pix rewards people for playing alot. Like the events are set up to give, for free, a Kumiho and a Bulg, if you play alot. You can play for 2 weeks and have gotten those. Just have to play alot. It is a grind and there are too many events for my taste. But it's nice getting free good stuff instead of having to wait. I'd rather components gotten via trading in WSP and some gold than paying for an item with IP or 14K gold. (price of a dumb Butch) The system seemed geared for the Whales first. Then they added the component deal system, and board games. So the next in line to get them are the ones who saved a lot, and the ones who grind during events. Also, the cheaters and tankers. Kbots have been out ~3 months already (came out Sept), so the patient ones will get it last. Almost everyone will drain down their stockpile of WSP and Au eventually, so these items essentially become WSP items for us, since the Au income is so miniscule without farming. Then it becomes pretty predictable how long it will take to acquire 1.
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 21:48:07 GMT -5
If he is using a stockpile it makes no sense to claim that the system is working. That’s misleading again. All he is doing than is a slow purchase. He could easily go the wheels and get it over and done with quickly and rightfully claim that the purchase of component gear is available for gold. His stockpile is another interesting thing. A haechi is worth about 125K WSPs. A ST about 80K WSP. 1.6 of embers another 130K WSP. That’s 335K WSP without even looking at the other stuff or its equivalent in gold. Your math is wrong. Right now, I see 120 Roachi + 240 Shocktrain for 1300 WSP. This will be hypothetical and not based on what offers were actually available since no one is keeping track of them, but if you get those offers, this is what will happen. 10K components / 120 Roachi = 83.3 offers need to buy to get 1 Roachi 83.3 * 1300 WSP = ~108.3K WSP total to buy 1 Roachi 83.3 * 240 Shocktrain = ~20K Shocktrain components Now, I don't know how much a Roachi/Scourge combo is, but it's pretty similar so I bet 1400 WSP or 1200 WSP in that ball park (1700 WSP). So spending ~108.3K WSP will get 1 Roachi, and either 2 Shocktrains or 2 Scourges or 1 Shocktrain/1 Scourge. In terms of time, that could take 83 days if you buy 1 offer per day, so about 3 months (30 days per month). But there are bumper crop days, so usually 1 Roachi WSP offer paired with 1 Roachi Au offer. Also, maybe once a week the 360 offers appear. So today, I see 4 Roachi offers so you can get it all so 120 x 4 = 480 Roachi components for 1300 WSP + 1700 WSP + 500 Au + 400 Au paired with the Shocktrain, Ember, Kumiho, and Ember respectively. Lol, I see the Scourge combo, but not gonna redo the math. I think the component deals have been out 2-3 months, maybe more? So you can get 510+40 WSP per day. Including converting Au to WSP, and doing 5 of them per day, so 5+8+12+19+29 Au = 73 Au per day for 600 WSP / day. I already did this calculation and someone said 73 Au per day is too low for farming, so please check my other post if you don't farm much. So let's say he can make an additional 2 conversions, so 45 + 70 = 115 Au additional or 115+73 = 188 total Au per day, so 600+250+320 = 1170 WSP from conversions. Total WSP production would be 550+1170 = 1720 WSP per day. So 83 days * 1720 = ~142.7K WSP. If he started with 100K WSP at the beginning, he'd have to grind like mad to get all that gear, but it's possible to get quite a bit of stuff already just based on math and not the actual deals. I don't know his stash of Au at the beginning either. So yeah, enough time has probably passed to get 2 Haechis, 2 Scourges, 2 Shocktrains or some equivalent just from WSP daily offers. It's not unheard of to grind 120 Au per day to reach the 188 Au for conversions. Don't forget the 9 Au for squadding, the extra Au from Halloween event, and small amounts from the BM, plus the new ads this month. Back in the old days before BM and events, if you farm 188 Au per day, Ancile+Lancelot would be 6500/188 = 34.5 days to get one. But if you play casually like me, (I don't do farming), then I don't have anything yet. I have been buying ST and roach offers for ages now. the average is about 120 roach for 2000 WSP and 240 ST for 2000 WSP. other stuff in the offers dilutes the outcomes in terms of what you end up with. As an example you can get 120 roach and 560 Kumi for about 3600.
There are fluctuations in the prices but the numbers I presented are valid IMO in the long run. Give or take 30K WSP makes no difference in the context of the discussion that the OP presented. The 120 roach for 2000 WSP is in fact very close to reality during the last 17 days.
I have started with over 100K WSPs and been converting between 118 and 188 Au a day while primarily focusing on one item and my balance has been for a while under 3K WSP and not moving up. WSP stockpile gone, AU stockpile of what it was prior has been significantly reduced. Doing this on 25 Au conversions a day and on top of that buy components for AU and concentrating on multiple items does not add up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:07:52 GMT -5
The biggest problem now is the BM. With more components being released, the infinitesimal chance to roll and get a component is hard enough, but to get a component you want is even more diluted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:19:22 GMT -5
Your math is wrong. Right now, I see 120 Roachi + 240 Shocktrain for 1300 WSP. This will be hypothetical and not based on what offers were actually available since no one is keeping track of them, but if you get those offers, this is what will happen. 10K components / 120 Roachi = 83.3 offers need to buy to get 1 Roachi 83.3 * 1300 WSP = ~108.3K WSP total to buy 1 Roachi 83.3 * 240 Shocktrain = ~20K Shocktrain components Now, I don't know how much a Roachi/Scourge combo is, but it's pretty similar so I bet 1400 WSP or 1200 WSP in that ball park (1700 WSP). So spending ~108.3K WSP will get 1 Roachi, and either 2 Shocktrains or 2 Scourges or 1 Shocktrain/1 Scourge. In terms of time, that could take 83 days if you buy 1 offer per day, so about 3 months (30 days per month). But there are bumper crop days, so usually 1 Roachi WSP offer paired with 1 Roachi Au offer. Also, maybe once a week the 360 offers appear. So today, I see 4 Roachi offers so you can get it all so 120 x 4 = 480 Roachi components for 1300 WSP + 1700 WSP + 500 Au + 400 Au paired with the Shocktrain, Ember, Kumiho, and Ember respectively. Lol, I see the Scourge combo, but not gonna redo the math. I think the component deals have been out 2-3 months, maybe more? So you can get 510+40 WSP per day. Including converting Au to WSP, and doing 5 of them per day, so 5+8+12+19+29 Au = 73 Au per day for 600 WSP / day. I already did this calculation and someone said 73 Au per day is too low for farming, so please check my other post if you don't farm much. So let's say he can make an additional 2 conversions, so 45 + 70 = 115 Au additional or 115+73 = 188 total Au per day, so 600+250+320 = 1170 WSP from conversions. Total WSP production would be 550+1170 = 1720 WSP per day. So 83 days * 1720 = ~142.7K WSP. If he started with 100K WSP at the beginning, he'd have to grind like mad to get all that gear, but it's possible to get quite a bit of stuff already just based on math and not the actual deals. I don't know his stash of Au at the beginning either. So yeah, enough time has probably passed to get 2 Haechis, 2 Scourges, 2 Shocktrains or some equivalent just from WSP daily offers. It's not unheard of to grind 120 Au per day to reach the 188 Au for conversions. Don't forget the 9 Au for squadding, the extra Au from Halloween event, and small amounts from the BM, plus the new ads this month. Back in the old days before BM and events, if you farm 188 Au per day, Ancile+Lancelot would be 6500/188 = 34.5 days to get one. But if you play casually like me, (I don't do farming), then I don't have anything yet. I have been buying ST and roach offers for ages now. the average is about 120 roach for 2000 WSP and 240 ST for 2000 WSP. other stuff in the offers dilutes the outcomes in terms of what you end up with. As an example you can get 120 roach and 560 Kumi for about 3600.
There are fluctuations in the prices but the numbers I presented are valid IMO in the long run. Give or take 30K WSP makes no difference in the context of the discussion that the OP presented. The 120 roach for 2000 WSP is in fact very close to reality during the last 17 days.
I have started with over 100K WSPs and been converting between 118 and 188 Au a day while primarily focusing on one item and my balance has been for a while under 3K WSP and not moving up. WSP stockpile gone, AU stockpile of what it was prior has been significantly reduced. Doing this on 25 Au conversions a day and on top of that buy components for AU and concentrating on multiple items does not add up.
I'm not disputing the minor 30K difference in offers, and the various different packs. You said it costs 125K for Roachi (or value of 1, whatever). And you said the value is 80K for 1 Shocktrain. I'm pointing out that 125K WSP will get you more than 1 Roachi. If you're selective with the bundles, 125K WSP will get you 1 Roachi AND 2 Shocktrains. So you don't need 200K WSP. But you said value, so maybe that is what you mean in the first place. If so, then carry on.
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 0:26:43 GMT -5
I'm not disputing the minor 30K difference in offers, and the various different packs. You said it costs 125K for Roachi (or value of 1, whatever). And you said the value is 80K for 1 Shocktrain. I'm pointing out that 125K WSP will get you more than 1 Roachi. If you're selective with the bundles, 125K WSP will get you 1 Roachi AND 2 Shocktrains. So you don't need 200K WSP. But you said value, so maybe that is what you mean in the first place. If so, then carry on. Roach offers are generally provided at 120 components. Seldom at 240 and very rarely at 360. With the bundling of other items generally you can expect to pay around 2000 per offered bundle. In order to simplify and neutralise the effects of pricing and offer value fluctuations I have picked a generous 160 components for 2000 WSP for my calculation. That’s how 125K WSP is derived. Without doing the maths a 30K difference on top of that (extra margin for error) would translate to somewhere near 220 roach components and something else for 2000 WSP. Now that is something you will not see. Your claim that you can get more than one roach (more than one in this case means two roaches and not one roach and one partial leg) does not reflect reality. Lets do the maths. 125K WSP = 2 roaches 62.5K WSP = 1 Roach 62.5K WSP = 10,000 components 750 WSP = 120 components. Never ever have they offered a 120 component bundle for 750 WSPs. That’s what it would take to get two roaches for 125K. I will not dissect your claim that you can get 1 roach and two shocktrains for 125K because that is just as equally ridiculous. What is your game mate?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 2:43:47 GMT -5
This BS component system only benefits veterans/long time players who have a truckload of spare WSP to buy these offers, get themselves new toys to play with and not spend any RM.
I can't see a new player getting access to a Haechi, unless he shells out $300 to save time or devote his life by collecting daily 510 WSP with silver by grinding for 150 days to stockpile up 76,500 WSP and then keep an eye out for the daily Haechi component offer to pop up to buy it over and over again for 83 days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 3:02:31 GMT -5
I'm not disputing the minor 30K difference in offers, and the various different packs. You said it costs 125K for Roachi (or value of 1, whatever). And you said the value is 80K for 1 Shocktrain. I'm pointing out that 125K WSP will get you more than 1 Roachi. If you're selective with the bundles, 125K WSP will get you 1 Roachi AND 2 Shocktrains. So you don't need 200K WSP. But you said value, so maybe that is what you mean in the first place. If so, then carry on. Roach offers are generally provided at 120 components. Seldom at 240 and very rarely at 360. With the bundling of other items generally you can expect to pay around 2000 per offered bundle. In order to simplify and neutralise the effects of pricing and offer value fluctuations I have picked a generous 160 components for 2000 WSP for my calculation. That’s how 125K WSP is derived. Without doing the maths a 30K difference on top of that (extra margin for error) would translate to somewhere near 220 roach components and something else for 2000 WSP. Now that is something you will not see. Your claim that you can get more than one roach (more than one in this case means two roaches and not one roach and one partial leg) does not reflect reality. Lets do the maths. 125K WSP = 2 roaches 62.5K WSP = 1 Roach 62.5K WSP = 10,000 components 750 WSP = 120 components. Never ever have they offered a 120 component bundle for 750 WSPs. That’s what it would take to get two roaches for 125K. I will not dissect your claim that you can get 1 roach and two shocktrains for 125K because that is just as equally ridiculous. What is your game mate? Like I said, I am not disputing the 125K WSP to get 1 Roachi. What I mean by getting more than 1 Roachi, is that you will get whatever else comes in the bundle. I think that's where you are misunderstanding me. I am NOT saying you can get 2 Roachis for 125K WSP. Getting 1 Roachi, will get you parts of 2 other weapons depending on what bundles you pick. So if you only pick say a Shocktrain bundle, they come in 120 Roachi / 240 Shocktrain today. If you pick the Scourge bundle, today it comes in 120 Roachi / 480 Scourge. I don't know what other bundles they come in, but if you limit the bundles, then it'll be faster to complete a weapon or 2 by the time you get 1 Roachi due to bundling. There's no game here. But you can't forget about the bundling. I think everyone can see that.
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Post by AVC on Dec 19, 2017 3:54:49 GMT -5
It's too random still. The offers would be better if they were constant instead of 1 a day. The black market is pretty much useless other than taking free spins. Don't get me wrong, I still take the spins from keys too, but it will never allow me to acquire enough components to assemble even a weapon itself. The lack of availability is such a greedy move on Pixonic's part. The length of time required is too long as well. By the time you can get what you're trying to it will be obsolete because of the insane release schedule. The game I USED to play before War Robots did the same thing. They released too much new gear which always increased in price. It became impossible to keep up as a F2P players and only the biggest spenders stayed. It won't be long before I'm telling that same story only War Robots will be the game I just left along with lots of others. The 4 medium hardpoint bot looks like a blue battle toad. I can't wait for the 4 heavy hardpoint bot because I desperately want to know if it's going to look like a whale. Something like this:
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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 19, 2017 11:57:18 GMT -5
I think I started the daily deals with 40k-60K WSP. Before that OI had over 80K and on my way to 100K but I bought 4 Tarans, a Treb, a Trident and a Fujin. So I had alot. I also started with 14K gold as I had saved up for the Dash bots and not wasted it after. I already had a Lance and my 5th slot and everything else I wanted. So after learning the system I picked deals wisely so I buy the Haechi with gold and WSP. What should I have done with the WSP and gold? Let it sit there or speed up upgrades? Nope I picked the items and bots I wanted and took the best path to get them. The daily deals. I saved up for something I wanted. That's generally the best thing to do rather than gamble. I did make that mistake one time with the Doc using the Royale thing and it bit me but lesson learned. Now I really don't want the Doc.
Guys I've played less than a year and followed the basic principles of not wasting gold, not speeding up upgrades with gold, playing alot, playing events, doing daily tasks, collecting WSP always before queue is full, etc.
I have two of the Dashes just on the events, anyone can do that if they have time. The Haechi is only one that took resources. Yes the Scourge and Ember did as well but not as much as the Haechi. The Storm they practically gave me that by lots of 500 and 375 wins in Bronze chests.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 19:34:23 GMT -5
I think I started the daily deals with 40k-60K WSP. Before that OI had over 80K and on my way to 100K but I bought 4 Tarans, a Treb, a Trident and a Fujin. So I had alot. I also started with 14K gold as I had saved up for the Dash bots and not wasted it after. I already had a Lance and my 5th slot and everything else I wanted. So after learning the system I picked deals wisely so I buy the Haechi with gold and WSP. What should I have done with the WSP and gold? Let it sit there or speed up upgrades? Nope I picked the items and bots I wanted and took the best path to get them. The daily deals. I saved up for something I wanted. That's generally the best thing to do rather than gamble. I did make that mistake one time with the Doc using the Royale thing and it bit me but lesson learned. Now I really don't want the Doc. Guys I've played less than a year and followed the basic principles of not wasting gold, not speeding up upgrades with gold, playing alot, playing events, doing daily tasks, collecting WSP always before queue is full, etc. I have two of the Dashes just on the events, anyone can do that if they have time. The Haechi is only one that took resources. Yes the Scourge and Ember did as well but not as much as the Haechi. The Storm they practically gave me that by lots of 500 and 375 wins in Bronze chests. I missed your post. From the math, I can see that you weren't lying and that you had a lot of resources to begin with. I spent half my Au on speeding up L12 upgrades, and the other half on a skin. Mainly because Au sitting in the bank account is not earning any interest, so better to put it to work. Higher weapon levels == more dmg == more silver. Also, more wins == chance for more Au. That was my rational for not buying the Kbot, and speeding up. The MKII situation really changed the balance of equation, so I find that 2 level difference in gear is still possible for skillful play to overcome and come out on top. I do think L12 upgrades are worth it, since it only costs ~640 Au (don't remember exact number) for a medium weapon, and it cuts off 1 week of time. I did 1 heavy, and 3 medium weapons (Tarans first). Then 1900 Au on the Skeletor skin. That was limited time item.
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