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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 10:04:20 GMT -5
So I've been looking at what Pix has for us in the update, and it's not looking good. If they have already skinned Exorcist then that means it will be in the game soon. As for Strider, its a game breaker. You can dash across Shenzen to the other side in a matter of seconds. The weapons aren't so bad, but it's redeemer and vortex I'm worried about. Remembering what they did with the dash bots (buffed them INSANELY without warning), we know that Pix can turn things around very quick. They might do this to the weapons, which, if they do, will make them equally as op as the dashes, maybe more. Right now, vortex isn't that useful as it is inaccurate and it doesn't do much damage. Redeemer is very strong, but seeing as how the pause time between shots is a bit high, you can counter it with many things. If they buff them, like make vortex insanely accurate and make redeemer have less pause, then I'd be at a loss for words.
I don't know about you guys, but when this update releases, I'm either staying in high gold/low diamond or, if the new weapons and bots take over those leagues, I'm quitting. There just isn't much use in staying in a game where only the people who pay ridiculous amounts of money can win. However, if the new bots are accessible to everyone (make it a silver bot?) then I MIGHT consider staying.
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Post by Russel on Dec 16, 2017 10:24:29 GMT -5
I decided to gift myself for Christmas 3 hours per each day for next year, so I'm deleting the game and my account when I finish Bulgasari event (three more steps left, so I'm done by 20th I guess).
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Post by Russel on Dec 16, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -5
There just isn't much use in staying in a game where only the people who pay ridiculous amounts of money can win. However, if the new bots are accessible to everyone (make it a silver bot?) then I MIGHT consider staying. To be honest Pix was always generous at giving away new stuff, if you wanted. I got every bot\weapon I wanted (except for Fury and Rhino), and I never bought any Gold stuff with gold (received all of it from chests or event tasks), and I never paid for any component things. 2xTempests, 1xEmber, Hover, 2xKumiho, 2xBulgasari, Inquisitor, 6 (I guess?) Scourges, 5 (I guess?) Shocktrains, etc. It was never a problem of "why new stuff is $$$", more like "why it is so stupidly OP so everything else is irrelevant". Let's take Strider as an example. Now that Heavy+2xLights can stride, why you need Vityaz for? With Haechi - why you need Fujin? Bulgasari is a Rhino successor. Hover is a better Griffin. They are killing old stuff, and shrinking useful game stuff into 3~5 things, and if you REALLY skilled, maybe 8 weapons are valid. |
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 16, 2017 11:33:53 GMT -5
There just isn't much use in staying in a game where only the people who pay ridiculous amounts of money can win. However, if the new bots are accessible to everyone (make it a silver bot?) then I MIGHT consider staying. To be honest Pix was always generous at giving away new stuff, if you wanted. I got every bot\weapon I wanted (except for Fury and Rhino), and I never bought any Gold stuff with gold (received all of it from chests or event tasks), and I never paid for any component things. 2xTempests, 1xEmber, Hover, 2xKumiho, 2xBulgasari, Inquisitor, 6 (I guess?) Scourges, 5 (I guess?) Shocktrains, etc. It was never a problem of "why new stuff is $$$", more like "why it is so stupidly OP so everything else is irrelevant". Let's take Strider as an example. Now that Heavy+2xLights can stride, why you need Vityaz for? With Haechi - why you need Fujin? Bulgasari is a Rhino successor. Hover is a better Griffin. They are killing old stuff, and shrinking useful game stuff into 3~5 things, and if you REALLY skilled, maybe 8 weapons are valid. They wanted to turn it into a new game, without actually making a new game. They wanted it to be THEIR game, with THEIR rules. However this isn't the type of game that can survive such a drastic change. Which they seem to have yet to realize. I had a longer reply, but I realized halfway through that I really don't care any more, and this time I'm really done. I deleted both my primary and alt account. Eff this game. |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 16, 2017 11:37:52 GMT -5
It was never a problem of "why new stuff is $$$", more like "why it is so stupidly OP so everything else is irrelevant". Exactly. I've said over and over again, cost was never the problem. These new overpowered robots could be 5 and 10 bucks or take 2-4 weeks to farm in game, heck they could be free, and I'd still hate them just as much. Variation is important element of game design, and Pixonic creates overpowered robots that make multiple robots from the past obsolete. We don't gain choice and variation that way, we lose it. They aren't adding to the strategy of the game, they are subtracting from it. It is like replacing pieces in a game of Chess with Queens. If both sides had 15 Queens and 1 King, the game would be trivial and take less skill than it does now. And this means is no meta to speak off. It is whatever is just released and most expensive, that is strongest, there is no player involvement. But now I am just repeating this: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/16517/extra-queen-robots-destined-failWar Robots has three months to live, assuming Battle Titans actually comes out. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:40:32 GMT -5
bronzeknee Very good analogy, I've never thought of it like that! And I agree with you, even if these bots were close to free, I'd still hate them. In fact, I'd hate them even more cause close to everyone will have them and the game just becomes douche tactic vs. douche tactic.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 16, 2017 11:46:31 GMT -5
I'd hate them even more cause close to everyone will have them and the game just becomes douche tactic vs. douche tactic. I really like Starcraft 2 and League of Legends because they let you play the game how you want to play it. In League, basically every one of the 134 Champions is viable. And each has a unique playstyle. So you can play whatever suits you. And no Champion is ever going to go obsolete when a new champion is released. As for Starcraft 2, you can play so many different styles from ultra aggressive to ultra defensive, while mixing in mind games. You play it your way. You just can't say the same about War Robots. You play it the way Pixonic tells you to play it if you can afford it, or you lose. |
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Post by Russel on Dec 16, 2017 13:40:54 GMT -5
I'd hate them even more cause close to everyone will have them and the game just becomes douche tactic vs. douche tactic. I really like Starcraft 2 and League of Legends because they let you play the game how you want to play it. In League, basically every one of the 134 Champions is viable. And each has a unique playstyle. So you can play whatever suits you. And no Champion is ever going to go obsolete when a new champion is released. As for Starcraft 2, you can play so many different styles from ultra aggressive to ultra defensive, while mixing in mind games. You play it your way. You just can't say the same about War Robots. You play it the way Pixonic tells you to play it if you can afford it, or you lose. I was so excited about War Robots when I discovered it! Almost every setup got its use, and I was so eager to try them all (seeing "Collect them all" analogy here? :-D) Another really great thing was that new stuff being introduced pretty rare, and I arrived just a month later than WW bots, and noticed how WW bots were just something new and diverse, and lets everybody still use older stuff. Wait, there's more! There was a TestServer, which was developed to listen to feedback, and a lot of skill-free or OP stuff was scrapped (medium\light Trebs, pulse cannon, Heavy Spiral), because community was a part of the game, along with development team. That literally FORCED me to write a thread on how War Robots is fun, skill-based, balanced and free to play game; I paid some money to Pix as well (first time I spent money on game, too). I hooked several friends on War Robots. Sorry for being salty though ) I do NOT believe that game will "die". It will morph and evolve into very graphical and detailed mobile PEW-PEW'er for kids, and will be pretty successful in that niche. And now that I think of this, it is a good thing, after all - we are now free of "community game" myth, and will get more free time to spend with our families ;) (though it was a really fun time and a lot of new cool friends were made thanks to the game!) soooooo I guess I will choose to keep good memories and let salty ones go. All in all, it's Christmas time, everyone! |
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Post by Russel on Dec 16, 2017 13:44:12 GMT -5
To be honest Pix was always generous at giving away new stuff, if you wanted. I got every bot\weapon I wanted (except for Fury and Rhino), and I never bought any Gold stuff with gold (received all of it from chests or event tasks), and I never paid for any component things. 2xTempests, 1xEmber, Hover, 2xKumiho, 2xBulgasari, Inquisitor, 6 (I guess?) Scourges, 5 (I guess?) Shocktrains, etc. It was never a problem of "why new stuff is $$$", more like "why it is so stupidly OP so everything else is irrelevant". Let's take Strider as an example. Now that Heavy+2xLights can stride, why you need Vityaz for? With Haechi - why you need Fujin? Bulgasari is a Rhino successor. Hover is a better Griffin. They are killing old stuff, and shrinking useful game stuff into 3~5 things, and if you REALLY skilled, maybe 8 weapons are valid. They wanted to turn it into a new game, without actually making a new game. They wanted it to be THEIR game, with THEIR rules. However this isn't the type of game that can survive such a drastic change. Which they seem to have yet to realize. I had a longer reply, but I realized halfway through that I really don't care any more, and this time I'm really done. I deleted both my primary and alt account. Eff this game. This is a nice one. I discovered that fact too - now you can NOT have a weapon\bot you want (without paying $$$ at least). Let's see "Scourge", for example. 1) Chests. Random drop rate, you never know if it will be there. 2) Offers. Pix decide what to put there. 3) Events. Pix-made list of prizes. 4) Giveaways. Just look above. Basically, they control how many and what type of weapons will be in the game, with only one exception - paying players. |
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Post by dangit on Dec 16, 2017 14:52:06 GMT -5
Not too worried about new updates or bots or weapons or this or that or people who want to of their own free will spend their money how they want.
Will continue to play normally and have fun.
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Post by Shockwave on Dec 16, 2017 18:28:43 GMT -5
To be honest Pix was always generous at giving away new stuff, if you wanted. I got every bot\weapon I wanted (except for Fury and Rhino), and I never bought any Gold stuff with gold (received all of it from chests or event tasks), and I never paid for any component things. 2xTempests, 1xEmber, Hover, 2xKumiho, 2xBulgasari, Inquisitor, 6 (I guess?) Scourges, 5 (I guess?) Shocktrains, etc. It was never a problem of "why new stuff is $$$", more like "why it is so stupidly OP so everything else is irrelevant". Let's take Strider as an example. Now that Heavy+2xLights can stride, why you need Vityaz for? With Haechi - why you need Fujin? Bulgasari is a Rhino successor. Hover is a better Griffin. They are killing old stuff, and shrinking useful game stuff into 3~5 things, and if you REALLY skilled, maybe 8 weapons are valid. They wanted to turn it into a new game, without actually making a new game. They wanted it to be THEIR game, with THEIR rules. However this isn't the type of game that can survive such a drastic change. Which they seem to have yet to realize. I had a longer reply, but I realized halfway through that I really don't care any more, and this time I'm really done. I deleted both my primary and alt account. Eff this game. 1. Yes, this game has always been generous with the players since the beginning. You can get so many stuffs for free just by playing. I've played other games on my phone that to get the best currency (Gold, Diamonds, Coins, etc) you need to endlessly grind compared to War Robots. So to me it seems like Pixonic wants to recover all this time they didn't make money compared to now. 2. Somethings are OP on purpose. Otherwise why would you pay for them?. Just because someone gets the "OP" stuffs for free doesn't Everyone does it. At this point you already know that players are willing to spend that much money and I don't see Pixonic screwing their moneymakers. 3. why do you sound like Vytiaz is relevant on Higher leagues? It's call progression. Normally a new player would have to go from cossack,patton, boa, golem, Griffin, Natasha, all the silver bots then when that players reaches lvl 30 Carnage, Fujin, Rhinos, then the gold stuff Fury, Lancelot and for last the components section, unless the new player is willing to pay that much money to get the Meta stuff of the game to progress fast through leagues. You need to go for a Vytiaz before a Strider, a Griffin before a Inquisitor, a Fujin before a Haechi, Rogatka before Kumiho, Natasha before Fury. |
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 16, 2017 19:20:40 GMT -5
They wanted to turn it into a new game, without actually making a new game. They wanted it to be THEIR game, with THEIR rules. However this isn't the type of game that can survive such a drastic change. Which they seem to have yet to realize. I had a longer reply, but I realized halfway through that I really don't care any more, and this time I'm really done. I deleted both my primary and alt account. Eff this game. 1. Yes, this game has always been generous with the players since the beginning. You can get so many stuffs for free just by playing. I've played other games on my phone that to get the best currency (Gold, Diamonds, Coins, etc) you need to endlessly grind compared to War Robots. So to me it seems like Pixonic wants to recover all this time they didn't make money compared to now. 2. Somethings are OP on purpose. Otherwise why would you pay for them?. Just because someone gets the "OP" stuffs for free doesn't Everyone does it. At this point you already know that players are willing to spend that much money and I don't see Pixonic screwing their moneymakers. 3. why do you sound like Vytiaz is relevant on Higher leagues? It's call progression. Normally a new player would have to go from cossack,patton, boa, golem, Griffin, Natasha, all the silver bots then when that players reaches lvl 30 Carnage, Fujin, Rhinos, then the gold stuff Fury, Lancelot and for last the components section, unless the new player is willing to pay that much money to get the Meta stuff of the game to progress fast through leagues. You need to go for a Vytiaz before a Strider, a Griffin before a Inquisitor, a Fujin before a Haechi, Rogatka before Kumiho, Natasha before Fury. Ok. Except, oh that’s right, there’s no way to AVOID facing the elite gear before you’re ready. If one is any good, they can power clear through Gold league using L5-6 gear. And, my good sir, in Expert 3 iOS you will not infrequently encounter Gold enemies...in the same match as L12 Mk2 Haechis. If the gear wasn’t OP, that wouldn’t matter. And if the MM worked like it should, OP gear would be avoidable. However the gear IS brokenly OP, and the MM is a crapshoot. It’s not “progression”. It’s Bull-Firetrucking-poo-poo designed to squeeze every possible penny out of the player base, no more nor less. |
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 17, 2017 1:35:55 GMT -5
I don't mind the gears being super OP but let them have their own separate league. The server on war robot is one big giant mixing pot a no go. They have the chance to turn this game around and make into a skill base game once again. But it look like it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by Russel on Dec 17, 2017 10:48:09 GMT -5
I don't mind the gears being super OP but let them have their own separate league. The server on war robot is one big giant mixing pot a no go. They have the chance to turn this game around and make into a skill base game once again. But it look like it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Well playing against same powered gear is not OP :-) But yes, that would be a nice way for a game. |
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Post by Russel on Dec 17, 2017 10:53:37 GMT -5
They wanted to turn it into a new game, without actually making a new game. They wanted it to be THEIR game, with THEIR rules. However this isn't the type of game that can survive such a drastic change. Which they seem to have yet to realize. I had a longer reply, but I realized halfway through that I really don't care any more, and this time I'm really done. I deleted both my primary and alt account. Eff this game. 1. Yes, this game has always been generous with the players since the beginning. You can get so many stuffs for free just by playing. I've played other games on my phone that to get the best currency (Gold, Diamonds, Coins, etc) you need to endlessly grind compared to War Robots. So to me it seems like Pixonic wants to recover all this time they didn't make money compared to now. 2. Somethings are OP on purpose. Otherwise why would you pay for them?. Just because someone gets the "OP" stuffs for free doesn't Everyone does it. At this point you already know that players are willing to spend that much money and I don't see Pixonic screwing their moneymakers. 3. why do you sound like Vytiaz is relevant on Higher leagues? It's call progression. Normally a new player would have to go from cossack,patton, boa, golem, Griffin, Natasha, all the silver bots then when that players reaches lvl 30 Carnage, Fujin, Rhinos, then the gold stuff Fury, Lancelot and for last the components section, unless the new player is willing to pay that much money to get the Meta stuff of the game to progress fast through leagues. You need to go for a Vytiaz before a Strider, a Griffin before a Inquisitor, a Fujin before a Haechi, Rogatka before Kumiho, Natasha before Fury. You are completely right, and in every good game that would've been the case. However not for the situation when you can see full dash squad in Silver along with the Vityaz, and\or Shocktrain Bulgasari wreaking havoc in Bronze. And if you notice the way Pix is suggesting these stuff you will notice pretty curious thing, namely LEVEL REQUIRED. I guess picture will do work of thousand words here (no, I am not going to post awful dead pics, don't worry):   See? Haechi is ONE level higher than a Vityaz. Now let's make it even more absurd:  |
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Post by Shockwave on Dec 17, 2017 13:14:41 GMT -5
1. Yes, this game has always been generous with the players since the beginning. You can get so many stuffs for free just by playing. I've played other games on my phone that to get the best currency (Gold, Diamonds, Coins, etc) you need to endlessly grind compared to War Robots. So to me it seems like Pixonic wants to recover all this time they didn't make money compared to now. 2. Somethings are OP on purpose. Otherwise why would you pay for them?. Just because someone gets the "OP" stuffs for free doesn't Everyone does it. At this point you already know that players are willing to spend that much money and I don't see Pixonic screwing their moneymakers. 3. why do you sound like Vytiaz is relevant on Higher leagues? It's call progression. Normally a new player would have to go from cossack,patton, boa, golem, Griffin, Natasha, all the silver bots then when that players reaches lvl 30 Carnage, Fujin, Rhinos, then the gold stuff Fury, Lancelot and for last the components section, unless the new player is willing to pay that much money to get the Meta stuff of the game to progress fast through leagues. You need to go for a Vytiaz before a Strider, a Griffin before a Inquisitor, a Fujin before a Haechi, Rogatka before Kumiho, Natasha before Fury. You are completely right, and in every good game that would've been the case. However not for the situation when you can see full dash squad in Silver along with the Vityaz, and\or Shocktrain Bulgasari wreaking havoc in Bronze. And if you notice the way Pix is suggesting these stuff you will notice pretty curious thing, namely LEVEL REQUIRED. I guess picture will do work of thousand words here (no, I am not going to post awful dead pics, don't worry): See? Haechi is ONE level higher than a Vityaz. Now let's make it even more absurd: Yes, what you say about the Dashers and Shocktrain is true, most of the cases those players are tanking to get the prizes more easy but also like a mentioned, if a new player wants to progress fast he can spend money buying the premium stuff and pretty much dominate the minor/beginner leagues. |
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