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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 14, 2017 13:54:07 GMT -5
If you can't take down an Ancilot with an Orkan Haechi, you're doing it wrong. A fully loaded ork Haechi will win out every time toe to toe against a fully loaded Tarancilot. Sure there are usually other variables at play; but all other things being equal, it's not even close. Ancilot is still one of the more difficult builds to bring down by any other bot, but the dashes are a major p.i.a. for me, mostly because the Lance just can't evade fire. The only time I'm able to take out a dash of any kind with my Tarancilot is if it's been weakened by or is already engaged with another teammate. Otherwise, as soon as I see one coming at me, I start planning on what bot I'm gonna bring out next.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 14:08:37 GMT -5
Sigh... not this again... Not what again? We’ve been over this time and time again. See this for anecdotal evidence. |
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Post by iamgoot on Dec 14, 2017 14:30:48 GMT -5
We’ve been over this time and time again. See this for anecdotal evidence. Yes they do more damage however gold weapons do more than silver...a DB griffin smokes an RDB....should the DB get nerfed to make it more even? I'm going to leave things as they are. Everyone believes dashes are OP I don't think they are as OP as that but I'll just leave it at that EVERYONE wants new weapons and bots but no one wants them any stronger than what we have...thats pointless...whats the point of introducing new bots or weapons with no advantage |
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Post by CrownBlack on Dec 14, 2017 14:31:09 GMT -5
and YOUR point was the Zeus was useless against the Tarancilot. My point is.....that it is not.
But everyone else's point is that the Haechi is so much better...so for 3 shots the tarancilots take NO damage but the Haechi is all but dead...all I was saying is that the Haechi doesn't need a NERF because it can be killed by many different bots same as everything else. And let's face it...the people wanting to nerf are the ones who don't have the bot...they want it to be no better than silver and gold bots on any way. I hear people on here all the time saying it should lose a dash AND it's energy shield....seriously?  If you want to test on what's more durable have a tarancilot stand at one side of the map and run every type of bot 1 at a time towards it and see how many kill the tarancilot then try and repeat with an Orkans Haechi.. Now the response is "Oh but that's stupid...ypu use cover to get close" uh yep and that's how you kill dash...you use strategy...yes 1v1 at 300 the Haechi wins...open field it gets toasted...wait till it unloads then jump over on rogatka tarans BOOM Haechi is toast this time The best bot to kill a Tarancilot in, non dash division, is the Thunder/Ork Lance. Thunder knocks down the shield and the orks do the rest. Thunder Carnage and DB Griff all leveled can do a lot of damage. |
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Post by iamgoot on Dec 14, 2017 14:42:52 GMT -5
But everyone else's point is that the Haechi is so much better...so for 3 shots the tarancilots take NO damage but the Haechi is all but dead...all I was saying is that the Haechi doesn't need a NERF because it can be killed by many different bots same as everything else. And let's face it...the people wanting to nerf are the ones who don't have the bot...they want it to be no better than silver and gold bots on any way. I hear people on here all the time saying it should lose a dash AND it's energy shield....seriously? If you want to test on what's more durable have a tarancilot stand at one side of the map and run every type of bot 1 at a time towards it and see how many kill the tarancilot then try and repeat with an Orkans Haechi.. Now the response is "Oh but that's stupid...ypu use cover to get close" uh yep and that's how you kill dash...you use strategy...yes 1v1 at 300 the Haechi wins...open field it gets toasted...wait till it unloads then jump over on rogatka tarans BOOM Haechi is toast this time The best bot to kill a Tarancilot in, non dash division, is the Thunder/Ork Lance. Thunder knocks down the shield and the orks do the rest. Thunder Carnage and DB Griff all leveled can do a lot of damage. Yep...and PDB's DB Zeus etc all take out haechis..my point was it's not that OP if you use strategy...yeah going 1v1 is suicide but you don't do that. And remember unless it is maxed it's less OP my full orkan load against a LVL 12 tarancilot takes out the shield and a small amount of damage...his full load almost kills my bot. His reload is better...oh...and his shield comes back..im not so lucky |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:20:49 GMT -5
The best bot to kill a Tarancilot in, non dash division, is the Thunder/Ork Lance. Thunder knocks down the shield and the orks do the rest. Thunder Carnage and DB Griff all leveled can do a lot of damage. Yep...and PDB's DB Zeus etc all take out haechis..my point was it's not that OP if you use strategy...yeah going 1v1 is suicide but you don't do that. And remember unless it is maxed it's less OP my full orkan load against a LVL 12 tarancilot takes out the shield and a small amount of damage...his full load almost kills my bot. His reload is better...oh...and his shield comes back..im not so lucky I still see a wall of Ancilots at the end of games. It's pretty much impossible to take them out unless you match them with similar teamwork, and your team has the proper counters that they saved for their (usually) last bot. So the chance of those 2 things happening is pretty low. So a line of 3-4 Ancilots will steamroll through any combination of reds. You also have to consider if more players are loading their hanger with PDB Griffins and even Taran Rogotkas. That changes the balance, and shifts the favour back to the Lancelot/Ancilot. A Haechi can be bought in 73 days if the 360 offers are waited for, and then bought. The 360 Haechi offers cost either 2800, 3100, or 3200 WSP and is the fastest way to collect the Haechi. Going for the 120 offers is wasting a lot of limited resources. Here's the math: +510 WSP per day (85 * 6) from Ag +40 WSP free +600 WSP per day from Au (will need to generate 73 Au for 5 Au->WSP conversions, so 60-80 Au from daily tasks and some from battles) 10000/360 = ~27 offers needed. 27*3100/(510+40+600) = 73 days Ancilot requires 5000 Au + 1500 Au for Ancile. 6500/60 = 108 days. If you want to use same Au generation rate as above... 6500/73 = 89 days. Note, that it may not be possible to get 2 Au daily tasks, since the change task button is gone so this is optimistic. |
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Post by amidf on Dec 14, 2017 17:32:01 GMT -5
Yep...and PDB's DB Zeus etc all take out haechis..my point was it's not that OP if you use strategy...yeah going 1v1 is suicide but you don't do that. And remember unless it is maxed it's less OP my full orkan load against a LVL 12 tarancilot takes out the shield and a small amount of damage...his full load almost kills my bot. His reload is better...oh...and his shield comes back..im not so lucky I still see a wall of Ancilots at the end of games. It's pretty much impossible to take them out unless you match them with similar teamwork, and your team has the proper counters that they saved for their (usually) last bot. So the chance of those 2 things happening is pretty low. So a line of 3-4 Ancilots will steamroll through any combination of reds. You also have to consider if more players are loading their hanger with PDB Griffins and even Taran Rogotkas. That changes the balance, and shifts the favour back to the Lancelot/Ancilot. A Haechi can be bought in 73 days if the 360 offers are waited for, and then bought. The 360 Haechi offers cost either 2800, 3100, or 3200 WSP and is the fastest way to collect the Haechi. Going for the 120 offers is wasting a lot of limited resources. Here's the math: +510 WSP per day (85 * 6) from Ag +40 WSP free +600 WSP per day from Au (will need to generate 73 Au for 5 Au->WSP conversions, so 60-80 Au from daily tasks and some from battles) 10000/360 = ~27 offers needed. 27*3100/(510+40+600) = 73 days Ancilot requires 5000 Au + 1500 Au for Ancile. 6500/60 = 108 days. If you want to use same Au generation rate as above... 6500/73 = 89 days. Note, that it may not be possible to get 2 Au daily tasks, since the change task button is gone so this is optimistic. What 360 haechi offers? I haven't seen one in at least 2 weeks. I'm up to 6000 components and have been collecting haechi with wsp (including gold conversion) since the offers started. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 17:34:53 GMT -5
I still see a wall of Ancilots at the end of games. It's pretty much impossible to take them out unless you match them with similar teamwork, and your team has the proper counters that they saved for their (usually) last bot. So the chance of those 2 things happening is pretty low. So a line of 3-4 Ancilots will steamroll through any combination of reds. You also have to consider if more players are loading their hanger with PDB Griffins and even Taran Rogotkas. That changes the balance, and shifts the favour back to the Lancelot/Ancilot. A Haechi can be bought in 73 days if the 360 offers are waited for, and then bought. The 360 Haechi offers cost either 2800, 3100, or 3200 WSP and is the fastest way to collect the Haechi. Going for the 120 offers is wasting a lot of limited resources. Here's the math: +510 WSP per day (85 * 6) from Ag +40 WSP free +600 WSP per day from Au (will need to generate 73 Au for 5 Au->WSP conversions, so 60-80 Au from daily tasks and some from battles) 10000/360 = ~27 offers needed. 27*3100/(510+40+600) = 73 days Ancilot requires 5000 Au + 1500 Au for Ancile. 6500/60 = 108 days. If you want to use same Au generation rate as above... 6500/73 = 89 days. Note, that it may not be possible to get 2 Au daily tasks, since the change task button is gone so this is optimistic. What 360 haechi offers? I haven't seen one in at least 2 weeks. I'm up to 6000 components and have been collecting haechi with wsp (including gold conversion) since the offers started. They usually come in spades. Just when you've given hope and spent your WSP, then they come and I got no WSP left  |
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Post by polykillr on Dec 14, 2017 17:43:01 GMT -5
The best way to take out an ancilot -
(As owner of an ancilot, I can comment on this!)
Firstly, pre dash era - Thunder orkalot OR death button rhino. There's nothing I can do as I see a dB rhino charging at me unless I have team mates who help, quickly.
Secondly, dash era - Either Orkan haechi/bulgasari, or thunder Orkan inquisitor maybe? In fact screw that, a well played inquisitor that lands with stealth on something above is practically unkillable. They just hop off the block as soon as stealth runs out and come out again when their stealth is ready. Important note - Dashes must be well played. A rich idiot is the same as shooting the wall as a way of tanking.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 14, 2017 17:58:12 GMT -5
and YOUR point was the Zeus was useless against the Tarancilot. My point is.....that it is not.
And let's face it...the people wanting to nerf are the ones who don't have the bot...they want it to be no better than silver and gold bots on any way. I have a Haechi and I want it nerfed. So there goes that argument... Where would you like us to face now? |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 14, 2017 18:08:33 GMT -5
Yep...and PDB's DB Zeus etc all take out haechis..my point was it's not that OP if you use strategy...yeah going 1v1 is suicide but you don't do that. And remember unless it is maxed it's less OP my full orkan load against a LVL 12 tarancilot takes out the shield and a small amount of damage...his full load almost kills my bot. His reload is better...oh...and his shield comes back..im not so lucky I still see a wall of Ancilots at the end of games. It's pretty much impossible to take them out unless you match them with similar teamwork, and your team has the proper counters that they saved for their (usually) last bot. So the chance of those 2 things happening is pretty low. So a line of 3-4 Ancilots will steamroll through any combination of reds. You also have to consider if more players are loading their hanger with PDB Griffins and even Taran Rogotkas. That changes the balance, and shifts the favour back to the Lancelot/Ancilot. A Haechi can be bought in 73 days if the 360 offers are waited for, and then bought. The 360 Haechi offers cost either 2800, 3100, or 3200 WSP and is the fastest way to collect the Haechi. Going for the 120 offers is wasting a lot of limited resources. Here's the math: +510 WSP per day (85 * 6) from Ag +40 WSP free +600 WSP per day from Au (will need to generate 73 Au for 5 Au->WSP conversions, so 60-80 Au from daily tasks and some from battles) 10000/360 = ~27 offers needed. 27*3100/(510+40+600) = 73 days Ancilot requires 5000 Au + 1500 Au for Ancile. 6500/60 = 108 days. If you want to use same Au generation rate as above... 6500/73 = 89 days. Note, that it may not be possible to get 2 Au daily tasks, since the change task button is gone so this is optimistic. You added the Ancile time for the Lancelot, but no weapons to the Haechi. That isn't an apple to apples comparison. You can also get Anciles free from events. I have two from events right now and will be getting another. I have never bought an Ancile. And you can make a lot more than 60 or even 73 gold a day. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 18:28:35 GMT -5
I still see a wall of Ancilots at the end of games. It's pretty much impossible to take them out unless you match them with similar teamwork, and your team has the proper counters that they saved for their (usually) last bot. So the chance of those 2 things happening is pretty low. So a line of 3-4 Ancilots will steamroll through any combination of reds. You also have to consider if more players are loading their hanger with PDB Griffins and even Taran Rogotkas. That changes the balance, and shifts the favour back to the Lancelot/Ancilot. A Haechi can be bought in 73 days if the 360 offers are waited for, and then bought. The 360 Haechi offers cost either 2800, 3100, or 3200 WSP and is the fastest way to collect the Haechi. Going for the 120 offers is wasting a lot of limited resources. Here's the math: +510 WSP per day (85 * 6) from Ag +40 WSP free +600 WSP per day from Au (will need to generate 73 Au for 5 Au->WSP conversions, so 60-80 Au from daily tasks and some from battles) 10000/360 = ~27 offers needed. 27*3100/(510+40+600) = 73 days Ancilot requires 5000 Au + 1500 Au for Ancile. 6500/60 = 108 days. If you want to use same Au generation rate as above... 6500/73 = 89 days. Note, that it may not be possible to get 2 Au daily tasks, since the change task button is gone so this is optimistic. I don't think I could construct a more bias argument if I tried. You added the Ancile time for the Lancelot, but no weapons to the Haechi. That isn't an apple to apples comparison. You can also get Anciles free from events. I have two from events right now and will be getting another. And you can make a lot more than 60 gold a day. You can also get a free Kbot from the event. I think it's fair to compare Ancile + Lancelot to Haechi, as most have the weapons. Most likely, they will have some Tarans and Orkans, but not Ancile for Ancilot. As always, they can always do the math for themselves, as I made some assumptions that makes it even harder to acquire daily AU task. Plus most play enough to get 80-100 Au per day (from daily task and battles), so I am using the most popular figure to make it simple. If you play and earn more, then you can do your own math. An extra 20 Au per day even if you made 100 Au per day, it will not translate into another AU->WSP conversion, so I set it at 5 conversions per day. Then I used the same Au number for both comparisons to make it fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 18:34:48 GMT -5
I don't think I could construct a more bias argument if I tried. You added the Ancile time for the Lancelot, but no weapons to the Haechi. That isn't an apple to apples comparison. You can also get Anciles free from events. I have two from events right now and will be getting another. And you can make a lot more than 60 gold a day. You can also get a free Kbot from the event. I think it's fair to compare Ancile + Lancelot to Haechi, as most have the weapons. Most likely, they will have some Tarans and Orkans, but not Ancile for Ancilot. As always, they can always do the math for themselves, as I made some assumptions that makes it even harder to acquire daily AU task. Plus most play enough to get 80-100 Au per day (from daily task and battles), so I am using the most popular figure to make it simple. If you play and earn more, then you can do your own math. An extra 20 Au per day even if you made 100 Au per day, it will not translate into another AU->WSP conversion, so I set it at 5 conversions per day. Then I used the same Au number for both comparisons to make it fair. You need to remember that the 60 Au per day is not guaranteed anymore. Also, before the arrival of events and BM, this is how long we had to grind for an Ancilot. Yes, Ancilot since a Lancelot was useless during the age of Trident Furies. So even if you can get Ancile today, you can also get Orkan today too during the event or in BM. If you want to do the math for 100 or 150 Au per day, then go ahead. I have nothing to hide, just that it would require more work to figure out and I'd have to make a table. |
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Post by iamgoot on Dec 15, 2017 12:28:58 GMT -5
And let's face it...the people wanting to nerf are the ones who don't have the bot...they want it to be no better than silver and gold bots on any way. I have a Haechi and I want it nerfed. So there goes that argument... Where would you like us to face now? So you have a dash got and want it nerfed. Well the other 99 people calling for it probably don't have them as I see people moaning they don't have one. If it was an integral part of your set up you wouldn't be asking for a nerf. I mean why would you vote to make things harder for yourself? Anyway it's irrelevant now with the 2 new bots which crap all over the current dashes |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:05:36 GMT -5
I have a Haechi and I want it nerfed. So there goes that argument... Where would you like us to face now? So you have a dash got and want it nerfed. Well the other 99 people calling for it probably don't have them as I see people moaning they don't have one. If it was an integral part of your set up you wouldn't be asking for a nerf. I mean why would you vote to make things harder for yourself? Anyway it's irrelevant now with the 2 new bots which crap all over the current dashes I have 3 Haechis, full mk2, and I want them nerfed. But yeah, the new bots look ridiculous even compared to Haechis. |
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