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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 18:43:01 GMT -5
Hi all!
Some might argue that this should be put in 'rants', but it feels like more of a request.
First off, I'm a new player, but active. Really enjoying the game overall and have definitely improved from the advice on this forum (thanks to the contributors).
I only have one conplaint about the game : tankers. This is the first game I've encountered this, and honestly it's getting to me. It has reached a head today, maybe since I'm climbing, but the last match I played , three ppl were obviously tanking. THREE! Is Pixonic trying to tackle this ? Although I blame each tanker ultimately.
What I really want to know is if there is any protocol/ etiquette regarding these. Like, should I destroy a red tanker or let them live (I'm thinking this might delay their tanking?)?
Ps. If anyone wouldn't mind me in their clan, I'm quite active.
Thanks all!
Withnailer
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Dec 12, 2017 19:22:03 GMT -5
Post by FlashAhAhh on Dec 12, 2017 19:22:03 GMT -5
This is an awesome game but sadly, tanking is an intrinsic part of it.
Wether it was the old "seal clubbing" newbies with Mag Geps or the current free for all, newer playera have always and will always get their heads bashed in.
That's no reason not to play though. Every single player game I ever played involved getting smashed by increasingly difficult oponents that you need to grinfld gear and develop strategy to compete with.
The only difference in this game is those OP opponents are real people.
I started on febuary and have already reached champion league, it can be done and is very rewarding to do so against the odds.
To be good at this game means having a solid plan and sticking with it. Using EVERY resource as cleverly as possible and being willing to cut losses when you make an error.
Honestly, despite the state of the game, it's still the smartest, most dedicated players that rise to the top.
And yep, you can use your wallet as a shortcut to a sweet hangar, but there is still no shortcut to awesome strategy.
By the end of this event I'll have a hangar that most people will think has to belong to a wallet warrior but I never spent a cent except on premium and that makes me proud as punch.
Just accept it and play your absolute best, or hate it and play something else.
The game will NOT change, it's a HUGE challenge to make it through the leagues, and therefore, very rewarding!
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Dec 12, 2017 19:23:06 GMT -5
Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 19:23:06 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem.
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Post by amidf on Dec 12, 2017 19:35:38 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem. Not if tankers are just bullies at heart and not "trying to win gear" as you put it elsewhere. I wonder what fraction is which.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:16:19 GMT -5
Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 20:16:19 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem. Hmmmm, here is my take on it. I don’t think the Supply drops are targeted at tankers. I think they are targeted at the population of players who are stuck in the middle of the table and need improved access to premium content to advance and be competitive because currently it’s a dead end situation in that respect. Those people are very important customers and need further rewards because they are getting nowhere really fast compared to others (whales and tankers). Its all about retaining an active user base. IMO tankers will continue to make more than a middle of the table guy despite the supply drops.
Everyone has their rewards except the middle of the table players. This is their turn.
Whales get rewarded by priority access to OP gear. Serious grinders/collectors (mostly tankers) who play get rewarded very well. Every single recent change has rewarded their activity more. Pixonic is looking after them really well.
Lets see how this turns out. But I reckon there will be a catch somewhere. For tankers the next big thing I am predicting will be Battle Rewards. That will make a mockery of Supply drops.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:36:34 GMT -5
Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 20:36:34 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem. Not if tankers are just bullies at heart and not "trying to win gear" as you put it elsewhere. I wonder what fraction is which. I hadn't considered the possibility they were bullies... I guess we'll find out.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:38:48 GMT -5
Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 12, 2017 20:38:48 GMT -5
Wt you've complained for is the longliving, core and fundamental problem with the game.
It never has noticeable improvement in the past, afaik.
There's an upcoming 'fix', yes, but the current matchmaker has also been reworked and it's...just like what you've been experiencing.
So my suggestion is, hold your RM until a working fix is confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:10:06 GMT -5
Is Pixonic trying to tackle this ? No.
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Dec 13, 2017 10:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:36:03 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I've got a better understanding of the problems now.
It really is an enjoyable game, now that I've accepted every match will have tankers , well, it's not as infuriating.
I'm progressing well without spending.
I was thinking they could deduct gold/money/ penalise frequent tankers by downgrading a weapon each time or something?,like if you plummet levels, they downgrade your weapons in tandem?
That might work. Just a thought anywho !
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Dec 13, 2017 10:46:46 GMT -5
Post by darkknight on Dec 13, 2017 10:46:46 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I've got a better understanding of the problems now. It really is an enjoyable game, now that I've accepted every match will have tankers , well, it's not as infuriating. I'm progressing well without spending. I was thinking they could deduct gold/money/ penalise frequent tankers by downgrading a weapon each time or something?,like if you plummet levels, they downgrade your weapons in tandem? That might work. Just a thought anywho ! More than 50% of players playing game are tankers,if they do it game will just die soon which is gonna happen anyway but from soon I mean maybe even within few weeks only thing they have to do is make mm hangar based again and make gepard a gold bot which is used in higher meta and game would become gr8 again Only drawback would be if you have gepard in hangar you will get hard matchup
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Dec 13, 2017 10:57:29 GMT -5
Post by Alpha on Dec 13, 2017 10:57:29 GMT -5
Hi all! Some might argue that this should be put in 'rants', but it feels like more of a request. First off, I'm a new player, but active. Really enjoying the game overall and have definitely improved from the advice on this forum (thanks to the contributors). I only have one conplaint about the game : tankers. This is the first game I've encountered this, and honestly it's getting to me. It has reached a head today, maybe since I'm climbing, but the last match I played , three ppl were obviously tanking. THREE! Is Pixonic trying to tackle this ? Although I blame each tanker ultimately. What I really want to know is if there is any protocol/ etiquette regarding these. Like, should I destroy a red tanker or let them live (I'm thinking this might delay their tanking?)? Ps. If anyone wouldn't mind me in their clan, I'm quite active. Thanks all! Withnailer Sorry to tell you this, but this is common practice on all servers even when it has absolutely no use at all (FaceBook GameRoom) and no Pixonic is not tackling this at all actually they are encouraging it with there events and league and MM. :/
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Dec 13, 2017 11:37:34 GMT -5
Post by the Expanse! on Dec 13, 2017 11:37:34 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I've got a better understanding of the problems now. It really is an enjoyable game, now that I've accepted every match will have tankers , well, it's not as infuriating. I'm progressing well without spending. I was thinking they could deduct gold/money/ penalise frequent tankers by downgrading a weapon each time or something?,like if you plummet levels, they downgrade your weapons in tandem? That might work. Just a thought anywho ! More than 50% of players playing game are tankers,if they do it game will just die soon which is gonna happen anyway but from soon I mean maybe even within few weeks only thing they have to do is make mm hangar based again and make gepard a gold bot which is used in higher meta and game would become gr8 again Only drawback would be if you have gepard in hangar you will get hard matchup Where did you get your data that shows over 50% of players are tankers? Which platform? All? Seems a bit extreme and not what I've experienced on Android.
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Dec 13, 2017 12:35:56 GMT -5
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 13, 2017 12:35:56 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem. It won't. Tankers aren't stupid, and it would take a complete idiot to stop tanking to get better supply drops. Last I checked, the difference between bronze and champion wasn't even 500k Ag per day. A tanker can make that much more than normal in less than 10 minutes by being in lower leagues. The one and only solution to tanking with the current matchmaker is to implement tiered Ag payouts per match. Meaning you get more Ag per damage simply being in Champion league than you do in Master, and so on. If a tanker is getting 0.2 Ag per damage in Bronze when they could be getting 1.5 Ag per damage in Champion, they might actually reconsider. Pixonic knows about the problem, they are aware of the only solution, and they do not want to fix it. Tankers are an integral part of their player monetization strategy. You want to avoid tankers, get up to Gold or Diamond. You can't get there and compete yet? Better buy some equipment!
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Dec 13, 2017 12:41:34 GMT -5
Post by Scuzzbopper on Dec 13, 2017 12:41:34 GMT -5
There will be no stopping people who manipulate the game to their own devices. Learn to play the game expecting to either face Red with a less than a full team or face Red with a similar advantage for your Blues. The only way to prevent this is to join a serious clan who can get 6 players all the time and never advance up high enough to the point where you will be devoured by well established - and well outfitted - clans.
Events will magnify this in Domination (Beacon capping) or Beacon Rush(Damage dealing) will only magnify the situation.
Good luck out there and watch your 6 - because chances are only 80% of your random Blue teamates will be there for you.
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Dec 13, 2017 12:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 13, 2017 12:47:05 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I've got a better understanding of the problems now. It really is an enjoyable game, now that I've accepted every match will have tankers , well, it's not as infuriating. I'm progressing well without spending. I was thinking they could deduct gold/money/ penalise frequent tankers by downgrading a weapon each time or something?,like if you plummet levels, they downgrade your weapons in tandem? That might work. Just a thought anywho ! One bit of advice I'd like to add on top of the other valuable information that's already been provided: don't try to advance too fast up the leagues. Unfortunately the game rewards you most for dealing damage, and the best way to do that is with heavier, heavily-armed bots, and those rewards move you up the leagues too fast. Yes, higher win rates and big damage are a lot more fun, until you find yourself in a Diamond league with a gold level hangar. Keep a couple of heavies for protecting beacons, but keep a handful of lights and mediums too to run around and learn different tactics with. You might lose more games, and you might even get killed a lot more; but the benefit is moving up slowly and becoming a better skilled pilot with better leveled gear when you do move up. Especially if you're planning on not spending any RM. The reason a lot of players tank is because they themselves moved up to a point where they are no longer competitive, so they tank to drop down to lower leagues. Getting to that point is even more frustrating than dealing with the tankers at lower levels. So save yourself that frustration, and take your time learning to beat their better stuff with your lesser stuff. And then when you have the better stuff, you'll be a force to be reckoned with.
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Dec 13, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
Post by darkknight on Dec 13, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
More than 50% of players playing game are tankers,if they do it game will just die soon which is gonna happen anyway but from soon I mean maybe even within few weeks only thing they have to do is make mm hangar based again and make gepard a gold bot which is used in higher meta and game would become gr8 again Only drawback would be if you have gepard in hangar you will get hard matchup Where did you get your data that shows over 50% of players are tankers? Which platform? All? Seems a bit extreme and not what I've experienced on Android. I don’t know about android as I mostly play in ios well here once your win % cross 50 you get matched against other tankers and not one with 11/12 gears the mk2 max guys with dashes (during event)..I tank during event and have seen many top 100 clans tanking down as low as bronze leaugues And ofc I don’t have any solid proof but well here is a simple prof I’ll give mm takes hardly 5 second in silver or gold leaugue..at max 10 second however in expert §+ it usually takes more than 15 second to find a match so morale of the story ? More peeps in silver gold compared to champ master and there is huge diff In time b/w even gold 1 and diamond 1/2 As I said I don’t have solid proof but as a tanker I can almost guarantee that more than 40% peeps are tanker
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Dec 13, 2017 13:56:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 13:56:31 GMT -5
If you're playing on bronze to silver league, it's currently filled with tankers farming the event tasks.
RIP new players.
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Dec 13, 2017 16:38:09 GMT -5
Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 16:38:09 GMT -5
Pixonic is giving daily rewards based on league soon which could fix the tanking problem. It won't. Tankers aren't stupid, and it would take a complete idiot to stop tanking to get better supply drops. Last I checked, the difference between bronze and champion wasn't even 500k Ag per day. A tanker can make that much more than normal in less than 10 minutes by being in lower leagues. The one and only solution to tanking with the current matchmaker is to implement tiered Ag payouts per match. Meaning you get more Ag per damage simply being in Champion league than you do in Master, and so on. If a tanker is getting 0.2 Ag per damage in Bronze when they could be getting 1.5 Ag per damage in Champion, they might actually reconsider. Pixonic knows about the problem, they are aware of the only solution, and they do not want to fix it. Tankers are an integral part of their player monetization strategy. You want to avoid tankers, get up to Gold or Diamond. You can't get there and compete yet? Better buy some equipment! If you redistribute Ag earnings (substantially) I think it will create a major divide in capability between the higher and lower leagues that will ultimately bring even more unbalance to the game especially at the transition zone to higher tiers. The system should encourage people to climb fast and allow them to amass resources once they reach the transition zone. Amassing resources at a faster rate than the top tier guys. Otherwise they will put the game down when they hit the brick wall. That coupled with natural attrition from the top tier will gradually but steady decrease the number of participants there. This is a concern I have with the proposed supply drop system by the way. Just my take on it. But what I find rather ironic is that there were hoards of people complaining about people reaping greater rewards in the LQ compared to the non tanking player in the NQ ( prior to the earnings readjustment). All these complaints were about people who did not affect the NQ in any way, shape or form. Well, here is one direct impact on the game for reducing the LQ rewards. Those people are not stupid indeed. They know how the system works and how to best benefit from it. Now they came out of the LQ and started clubbing in the NQ. But interestingly the complaints stopped about the LQ and now and are being refocused on clubbing in the NQ. I cannot fathom why people give a 「dookie」 about other players whos activity does not affect them what so ever and go on a crusade to reduce their income while fully knowing that the arrival of the LQ residents into the NQ will have an unstabilising effect on the game as a whole.
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Dec 13, 2017 17:53:57 GMT -5
Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 17:53:57 GMT -5
Where did you get your data that shows over 50% of players are tankers? Which platform? All? Seems a bit extreme and not what I've experienced on Android. I don’t know about android as I mostly play in ios well here once your win % cross 50 you get matched against other tankers and not one with 11/12 gears the mk2 max guys with dashes (during event)..I tank during event and have seen many top 100 clans tanking down as low as bronze leaugues And ofc I don’t have any solid proof but well here is a simple prof I’ll give mm takes hardly 5 second in silver or gold leaugue..at max 10 second however in expert §+ it usually takes more than 15 second to find a match so morale of the story ? More peeps in silver gold compared to champ master and there is huge diff In time b/w even gold 1 and diamond 1/2 As I said I don’t have solid proof but as a tanker I can almost guarantee that more than 40% peeps are tanker I would love to see some stats in regards to your claim. Say a sample of 10 matches and the method used to classify someone as a tanker. And stats from a non tanker in silver would be very useful as well because we do not know how the MM makes selections when it comes to this sort of thing. For me the 50% seems high. Very high. But if reality is anywhere near what you claim the implications are huge. Absolutely enormous as the game in that case would be basically designed for 3 groups of players. Those that are new to the game, paying customers high up in the leagues and for tankers. Somehow I cannot bring myself to accept that but at the back of my had there is that little voice that’s saying that just about every single change in the last 6 months has encouraged the tanking practice and aided it by making it easier and rewarding it more. I really cant think of one that didn’t besides the unavailability (for in game currency) of OP gear for a few months after release. Knowing pixonic are not idiots how could tanker friendly changes be implemnented if not by intent.
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