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Post by Dr. Yat on Dec 12, 2017 7:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by RightOn on Dec 12, 2017 7:21:18 GMT -5
So the new form of farming Ag is with inhibitively expensive component bots that cost twice as much Ag to begin with.
Forget the components. Where do you get the silver?
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 12, 2017 7:50:16 GMT -5
Yeh I love playing ethical and that's why I made a thread here. You should visit that.
Edit: By the way why to post on a blog and then give the link. You can post here directly.
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Post by elcheapo on Dec 12, 2017 8:49:55 GMT -5
Whats the difference between tanking and playing with your sad useless bots that have a good chance of killing your rank ?
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 8:57:23 GMT -5
Don't hate the players. Hate the game.
Tanking is allowed by the game and everyone has the right to play the way that will benefit them the most. In game where farming is incredibly important, if tanking gets you more resources, then that is the best practice. It is is up to Pixonic to change that.
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Post by TravLar on Dec 12, 2017 9:24:53 GMT -5
Its a race to the bottom! During the events its a matter of being aware of how many blues are still in the battle. If you're 2 minutes in and there are just four of you left you've landed in the team with the most tankers. Then you gotta make a call: Beacon task - maybe grab one or two if you can then bail and start the next game; Kills task - gonna be tough in those 2-on-1s; Win task - bail, its not gonna happen.
The number of times I've been fighting my @55 off for 6mins and wondering why the heck there just seem to be reds everywhere and then realizing there are only 3 of us left fighting... Come the damage table and its: LOSE Blue 6 - 1mil+ Damage 0 beacons (tanker harvesting) Blue 5 - 500k+ Damage 6 Beacons (sucker, wins task - desperate!) Blue 4 - 500k+ Damage 3 beacons (sucker, just doing his best) Blue 3 - 115k Damage 1 Beacon (saw2 ditching, wins task) Blue 2 - 87k Damage 1 Beacon (first to notice Blue 1 ditching his bots, wins task) Blue 1 - 10k Damage 2 beacons (tanker / beacons task)
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Post by Alpha on Dec 12, 2017 10:00:57 GMT -5
We don't have Tankers as such on fbgr as it no matter what league your in the MM just sucks soooooo bad
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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 10:20:53 GMT -5
Its a race to the bottom! During the events its a matter of being aware of how many blues are still in the battle. If you're 2 minutes in and there are just four of you left you've landed in the team with the most tankers. Then you gotta make a call: Beacon task - maybe grab one or two if you can then bail and start the next game; Kills task - gonna be tough in those 2-on-1s; Win task - bail, its not gonna happen.
The number of times I've been fighting my @55 off for 6mins and wondering why the heck there just seem to be reds everywhere and then realizing there are only 3 of us left fighting... Come the damage table and its: LOSE Blue 6 - 1mil+ Damage 0 beacons (tanker harvesting) Blue 5 - 500k+ Damage 6 Beacons (sucker, wins task - desperate!) Blue 4 - 500k+ Damage 3 beacons (sucker, just doing his best) Blue 3 - 115k Damage 1 Beacon (saw2 ditching, wins task) Blue 2 - 87k Damage 1 Beacon (first to notice Blue 1 ditching his bots, wins task) Blue 1 - 10k Damage 2 beacons (tanker / beacons task) Nailed it
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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 10:23:33 GMT -5
Don't hate the players. Hate the game. Tanking is allowed by the game and everyone should has the right to play the way that will benefit them the most. In game where farming is incredibly important, if tanking gets you more resources, then that is the best practice. It is is up to Pixonic to change that. Disagree. Leaving things for Pixonic to right a wrong is like waiting for a corporate company that makes antidotes for ebola for find a permanent cure. That's how they make thier money. Fixing the problem won't help them become more rich
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 12, 2017 10:32:33 GMT -5
We don't have Tankers as such on fbgr as it no matter what league your in the MM just sucks soooooo bad TRUTH! It almost makes you appreciate just how few tankers there really are... FBGR is constant Champ through Silver and Bronze on both sides! The difference is that it's not the players fault and that level player 12 with level 5 Destriers is still TRYING to kill that level 10 Lance with Shocktrains... Tankers drop and help cause losses, then dominate for however many games back up, then back down again... etc. ?fluffy bunny?ing with everyone else's games. But, it is what it is... Like bronzeknee said... Pix is obviously not concerned with it. It don't matter how right or wrong it is morally, most gamers don't put morals into consideration when playing. It may be generational differences, or it may be just people differences, but there it is. It's a game and how one approaches playing is up to one's self.
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Dec 12, 2017 10:48:49 GMT -5
We don't have Tankers as such on fbgr as it no matter what league your in the MM just sucks soooooo bad Same thing happens on Amazon.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 11:08:33 GMT -5
Don't hate the players. Hate the game. Tanking is allowed by the game and everyone should has the right to play the way that will benefit them the most. In game where farming is incredibly important, if tanking gets you more resources, then that is the best practice. It is is up to Pixonic to change that. Disagree. Leaving things for Pixonic to right a wrong is like waiting for a corporate company that makes antidotes for ebola for find a permanent cure. That's how they make thier money. Fixing the problem won't help them become more richThere is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.If you damn one, you should damn all. Now you could turn that around on me and state that I am defending tankers and advocating action against Pixonic. However, that is a simplistic view of this situation: What I am doing is logically consistent because I defend the tankers method of obtaining resources because it is the best practice (unless you can show me evidence that you can obtain more resources without tanking). However, what Pixonic is doing is not the industry best practices, it does not make the most money, and it is just dumb because it is killing their game. We see evidence of that by the backlash Pixonic has faced, and the declining revenue and player base. Allowing players to tank and implementing pay to win is foolish. So we should be damning Pixonic. It is way past time to stop defending them.
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Post by TheWWRNerdGuy on Dec 12, 2017 11:17:26 GMT -5
Disagree. Leaving things for Pixonic to right a wrong is like waiting for a corporate company that makes antidotes for ebola for find a permanent cure. That's how they make thier money. Fixing the problem won't help them become more richThere is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.
Leagues were invented to stop sealclubbing. That didn't work. Pixonic can't do the right thing because they know that someone will figure out a loophole, which will be then shared and then a lot of players will use it. Tankers can't do the right thing either because they're easily destroyed by other tankers or because they have no humanity.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 11:21:46 GMT -5
The lengths you guys are doing to explain away Pixonic's behavior is ridiculous. The human race went to the moon, do you not think we can devise a league system without a loophole? Seriously? And I can think of many games that (SC2, DOTA2, CS, League, Chess) that have league systems without loopholes.
Leagues were not invented to stop seal clubbing. They were invented to stop people from not upgrading and sitting in a spot where they were comfortable. Leagues are there to constantly push you to improve, get new gear, spend more time and money on the game.
Lloyd explained this very well:
If Pixonic cared about seal clubbing, they wouldn't allow people to tank.
But that isn't their priority. Nor is it the priority of tankers to listen to threads like this.
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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 11:24:52 GMT -5
Disagree. Leaving things for Pixonic to right a wrong is like waiting for a corporate company that makes antidotes for ebola for find a permanent cure. That's how they make thier money. Fixing the problem won't help them become more richThere is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.
Nothing to do with judgement or elitism, please don't exaggerate this to make unsportsmanlike decisions sportsmanlike. Simply play the game how it's meant to be played, you try your best and play each game like you would normally. Do we need to have this discussion again? If you want to lower your ranking, play some half 「bum-bum」 hangar, at least play to win. But when you get down to your desired league, play the same hangar that are in that league, don't whip out the maxed hangars in Bronze/Silver/Gold/Diamond/Expert (on Android). Events bring the worse out of people.. For what? a $100 shocktrain or $200 bulg. It's so sad to see people do this over money, especially virtual "things". Really tells you the make of a man (or woman).
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 11:37:56 GMT -5
I disagree it is unsportsmanlike.
How do you feel about fouling someone in basketball who is driving to the hoop? It is encouraged if the player with the ball has a bad free throw percentage. It is part of the game.
What about what Suarez did in the World Cup versus Ghana, an intentional handball on a shot that was going to score, led to a penalty kick that missed the net? That is part of the game too.
How about this goalkeeper? Knowing there was a breakaway and he was alone versus two players, he takes out the net. The refs decided he should face a penalty shot, which is one player versus him, a decidedly better scenario. And the goalie blocks the penalty shot... all part of the game.
These action are all against rules built into the game, but the punishment handed out for breaking these rules are not severe enough to prevent infractions, so there comes a time and place in the game to break said rules. It is part of the game. And if you're not breaking said rules at times, you're not playing to win. In all these instances, I believe the rules should be adjusted so there can be no case where you can benefit from breaking the rules, but I didn't make those rules. And since those rules can easily change, you can only hate the game, not the players.
Tanking in this game is no different, except in one important way: it isn't against the rules. I honestly deplore tanking and want it gone, but it is part of the game. Just like when I may disagree with some of the tax cuts I get, I still takes the benefits from them, all while trying to elect people that will close those loopholes.
That is how life works, it is a game, and you play with the ruleset you have in order to win. In the case of War Robots, winning matches isn't the only important thing, acquiring gear is also important. Tanking is the best way to acquire gear without spending money at the moment.
And Pixonic can change that easily. You have to recognize you just want to play a different game. Because tanking is part of War Robots, like handballs are a part of soccer, like upending the net is part of hockey and like fouling is part of basketball.
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Post by amidf on Dec 12, 2017 12:12:35 GMT -5
I hate both the player and the game. How's that?
I think Pixonic could do a lot more to stop tanking. And I also think players could behave much better. Just because there isn't a law against being a jerk doesn't mean one should be a jerk.
"Play how you want" is a silly mantra. Play competitively, but don't be a jerk. Taking the behavior of professional athletes as a moral guide doesn't seem wise either. Remember that 2017 is the Year of the Jerk, but there will one day come a reckoning. Hopefully soon. Today in particular we will find out how much more bad character people are willing to tolerate to "win." My hopes are not high for today, but there's always tomorrow.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 12:17:37 GMT -5
I hate both the player and the game. How's that? I think Pixonic could do a lot more to stop tanking. And I also think players could behave much better. Just because there isn't a law against being a jerk doesn't mean one should be a jerk. "Play how you want" is a silly mantra. Play competitively, but don't be a jerk. Taking the behavior of professional athletes as a moral guide doesn't seem wise either. Remember that 2017 is the Year of the Jerk, but there will one day come a reckoning. Hopefully soon. Today in particular we will find out how much more bad character people are willing to tolerate to "win." My hopes are not high for today, but there's always tomorrow. I applaud the consistency, though you also must realize you want to play a different game. Let's separate playing to win from being a jerk, they are two different things. I think applying morals to sports doesn't make sense in general. You're playing a game with rules. It isn't really a moral situation, only feelings can be hurt. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. I don't like the rules of Slapjack and Egyptian Rat Screw, so I don't play those games. This issue really has nothing to do with morals. I think some people are playing the game to win games, while others play the game to win gear. Pixonic has to merge these two player groups into one to satisfy all. This is solely on Pixonic.
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Post by thewhitestar on Dec 12, 2017 12:19:30 GMT -5
Last night I played in a match where every single person on my team basically just walked around and shot at nothing. Seriously, each one had scores so low it was amazing. My team lost and I was at the top, my team did nothing.
Seriously 「whiskey tango foxtrot」.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 12, 2017 12:22:24 GMT -5
Just curious - and I'm not judging anyone - but how many Magnum Gepard clubbers here are now complaining about the tankers?
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Post by Replicant on Dec 12, 2017 12:27:11 GMT -5
There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.
Leagues were invented to stop sealclubbing. That didn't work. Pixonic can't do the right thing because they know that someone will figure out a loophole, which will be then shared and then a lot of players will use it. Tankers can't do the right thing either because they're easily destroyed by other tankers or because they have no humanity.I believe consensus is the league implementation was sold as a cure-all for clubbing, but it’s actual purpose was to remove the spend ceiling. Lots of threads already written on this.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Dec 12, 2017 12:35:16 GMT -5
The most efficient manner to acquire absurdly expensive game content will always be to meet minimum requirements in the shortest time possible for maximum game rewards/currency.
Tanking is a game unto itself ... One helped greatly by insane prices for pixels.
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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 12:48:52 GMT -5
I disagree it is unsportsmanlike. How do you feel about fouling someone in basketball who is driving to the hoop? It is encouraged if the player with the ball has a bad free throw percentage. It is part of the game. What about what Suarez did in the World Cup versus Ghana, an intentional handball on a shot that was going to score, led to a penalty kick that missed the net? That is part of the game too. How about this goalkeeper? Knowing there was a breakaway and he was alone versus two players, he takes out the net. The refs decided he should face a penalty shot, which is one player versus him, a decidedly better scenario. And the goalie blocks the penalty shot... all part of the game. These action are all against rules built into the game, but the punishment handed out for breaking these rules are not severe enough to prevent infractions, so there comes a time and place in the game to break said rules. It is part of the game. And if you're not breaking said rules at times, you're not playing to win. In all these instances, I believe the rules should be adjusted so there can be no case where you can benefit from breaking the rules, but I didn't make those rules. And since those rules can easily change, you can only hate the game, not the players.Tanking in this game is no different, except in one important way: it isn't against the rules. I honestly deplore tanking and want it gone, but it is part of the game. Just like when I may disagree with some of the tax cuts I get, I still takes the benefits from them, all while trying to elect people that will close those loopholes. That is how life works, it is a game, and you play with the ruleset you have in order to win. In the case of War Robots, winning matches isn't the only important thing, acquiring gear is also important. Tanking is the best way to acquire gear without spending money at the moment. And Pixonic can change that easily. You have to recognize you just want to play a different game. Because tanking is part of War Robots, like handballs are a part of soccer, like upending the net is part of hockey and like fouling is part of basketball. Everything you just mentioned is unsportsmanlike... everything. If ever break-away had a goal dislodge the net in hockey and the hockey league didn't do anything about it you'd have a lot less viewers. Why? because it destorys the game, just like all your examples show, it's ruins the nature of the game. Thank you for providing some good examples for my argument
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Post by karlhungus on Dec 12, 2017 12:50:03 GMT -5
My E Honour!
Jesus christ, pix sets the rules not you. And pix's rules are that tanking is fine. Until they say different you guys need to stop telling other people how they can spend their time and play their game (and now trying to witch hunt and shame, shame on you!)
You don't change people's minds by attacking them ffs
Fixing it requires ongoing effort. When loopholes are found you have to fix it again, and again, and again. There is no perfect solution, stop looking for it.
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 12, 2017 13:13:23 GMT -5
My E Honour! Jesus christ, pix sets the rules not you. And pix's rules are that tanking is fine. Until they say different you guys need to stop telling other people how they can spend their time and play their game (and now trying to witch hunt and shame, shame on you!) You don't change people's minds by attacking them ffs Fixing it requires ongoing effort. When loopholes are found you have to fix it again, and again, and again. There is no perfect solution, stop looking for it. Agreed 100%. Very well said.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 13:23:42 GMT -5
I disagree it is unsportsmanlike... Everything you just mentioned is unsportsmanlike... everything. If ever break-away had a goal dislodge the net in hockey and the hockey league didn't do anything about it you'd have a lot less viewers. Why? because it destorys the game, just like all your examples show, it's ruins the nature of the game. Thank you for providing some good examples for my argument You are welcome. And the bolded section of the above quote is why only Pixonic can fixed this problem, and why they are responsible for it. Just recognize that you are stating that you want to play a different game, and that in itself isn't a problem, but those who deny it is part of the game are denying reality. As side note, I abhor tanking and again believe that there should no situation in any game where a foul leads to favorable situation for the team or person committing the foul. I think our only disagreement then is sportsmanlike conduct, and I understand where you are coming from, but one part of the sporting ethos is playing to win and doing everything you can to win. No one wants to be given a free win or played easy against, I want to win because I outplayed you, not because you let me outplay you. It is disrespectful to the game, the audience and your opponent to not play to win. And playing to win includes using the rules and penalty punishments to win. So how can we reconcile that? I think we have to see that as long as you are playing to win with good manners (ie not taunting, trying to injure your opponent, ect), you are playing in a sportsmanlike fashion. But perhaps you can show me a better way.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Dec 12, 2017 13:30:20 GMT -5
I was keeping close track of Weapons, Levels, Wins, Tankers, etc etc by sniffing the packets that the game used. Over a 6 month period I can tell you that exactly 46 games I played where both red and blue didn't have a tanker. That is out of 2973 games. Events encourage Tanking. I used to care. Now I don't. I play it out till the end when I can, but don't really expect anyone else to.
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Post by amidf on Dec 12, 2017 13:47:53 GMT -5
My E Honour! Jesus christ, pix sets the rules not you. And pix's rules are that tanking is fine. Until they say different you guys need to stop telling other people how they can spend their time and play their game (and now trying to witch hunt and shame, shame on you!) You don't change people's minds by attacking them ffs Fixing it requires ongoing effort. When loopholes are found you have to fix it again, and again, and again. There is no perfect solution, stop looking for it. Apply everything you just said to posts on the forum. I'll shame whomever I want, tyvm. Your attacks didn't change my mind. What's your stance on blocking other blue players from moving out of their spawn? Pix has done nothing to stop it. I guess those guys are just playing how they want, and we shouldn't complain. Or are there certain social rules we try to play by when dealing with other people, regardless of the hardcoded rules?
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Post by tekkamanblade on Dec 12, 2017 13:59:01 GMT -5
If tanking means I can finish Bulga for free. not tanking means to feed p2w whales, hurt my progress and not enough time to finish Bulga.
I'd say you are pretty dumb for not tanking.
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Post by agentfilthy on Dec 12, 2017 14:05:39 GMT -5
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