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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 10, 2017 16:26:49 GMT -5
Just hit the superchest. Looks like it is all either components, keys or Au. Overwhelmingly components. I got 2k Kumiho parts. Meh. One of the worst prizes but I can't complain b/c I won a butch on the free spin earlier and 10k on gold spins.
My advice, or at least what I have been doing, is save all of the keys until I hit gold chest but use every commercial I take for bronze spins.
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Post by captainplasmahad on Dec 10, 2017 17:32:29 GMT -5
I use ads to reduce build times. I don’t need another 12k silver. Ugh.
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Post by T34 on Dec 10, 2017 17:42:05 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage.
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Post by thewhitestar on Dec 10, 2017 17:48:09 GMT -5
The spin games are so obviously rigged.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 10, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage. Well, on gold spins, what I can recall having hit are 5000 Au, 5000 Au, 800 Au, Lance, 700 keys, 3500 shocktrain, 7500 keys. I'd say the results are a minimum of 1.5x better than comparable value of things I have won on silver, which in turn is 1.5x better than things I have won on bronze. True it is like comparing to lotto, but this is comparison of several hundred of bronze spins 50 or more silver and 7 or 9 gold. It's not exact, and I may just be hitting one out of a hundred every time on gold but at some point, you can start drawing reasonable concolusions.
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Post by zer00eyz on Dec 10, 2017 18:48:57 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage. A version behind but still fairly accurate: wwrpixonic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005155165-Black-Market-details-and-drop-ratesThe reality is that if your trying to build ONE item -- it probably isn't to your benefit to save for a gold chest, rather to spin out on bronzes (maybe silvers I haven't crunched the numbers) because though your less likely to get a large quantity of components your MORE likely to get the ones you want/need. Someone needs to "run the numbers" but it isn't going to be me at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 19:04:41 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage. Well, on gold spins, what I can recall having hit are 5000 Au, 5000 Au, 800 Au, Lance, 700 keys, 3500 shocktrain, 7500 keys. I'd say the results are a minimum of 1.5x better than comparable value of things I have won on silver, which in turn is 1.5x better than things I have won on bronze. True it is like comparing to lotto, but this is comparison of several hundred of bronze spins 50 or more silver and 7 or 9 gold. It's not exact, and I may just be hitting one out of a hundred every time on gold but at some point, you can start drawing reasonable concolusions. I think you're right, but I spent all my keys on Bronze Chests this cycle. I took the avg of all my bronze components, and based on the Au value of each from another thread, figured out the avg was 7.5 Au worth of Au components. Also looked at the median of my prizes (so the scroll bar was in the middle) and it was about 7 Au. So my guess is that any payout that exceeds 750 Au or 750 keys or 750 Au of components is a win when it comes to Gold Chests. So far last month, I got an Aphid which is worth 750 Au, and 6400 components of Tempest, which is 2x of what I shoulda gotton from Bronze Chests. Thanks for the additional data. I tried bronze this month, since some said it was pretty good. So far, just kinda meh for me and I spun a lot. If you go with bronze, you'll have more chance to get components you need. But I think Gold Chest can really speed up if you decide to go with the flow.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 10, 2017 19:19:53 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage. A version behind but still fairly accurate: wwrpixonic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005155165-Black-Market-details-and-drop-ratesThe reality is that if your trying to build ONE item -- it probably isn't to your benefit to save for a gold chest, rather to spin out on bronzes (maybe silvers I haven't crunched the numbers) because though your less likely to get a large quantity of components your MORE likely to get the ones you want/need. Someone needs to "run the numbers" but it isn't going to be me at this point. Right. You minimize the riskof getting a lot of something you don't want but I believe you will draw fewer total components. My thinking is that if I am doing all of the bronze draws on commercials anyway, I am maximizing total component gain by going for gold component with accumulated keys. One key difference between current black market system and previous versions are the number of free bronze iterations of black market available through grinding. Now, every game you play is like receiving 2x max score on winning team in terms of number of available bronze draws.
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Post by T34 on Dec 10, 2017 19:22:31 GMT -5
The problem is that we don’t know the odds and hence all hypothesis in this regard are subjective. Its sort of like saying I play lotto and I won a big prize using this particular method for picking numbers. I think in the long term most will get the average intended pay out what ever method is being used unless a bug in the wheel is discovered and utilises to the player’s advantage. A version behind but still fairly accurate: wwrpixonic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005155165-Black-Market-details-and-drop-ratesThe reality is that if your trying to build ONE item -- it probably isn't to your benefit to save for a gold chest, rather to spin out on bronzes (maybe silvers I haven't crunched the numbers) because though your less likely to get a large quantity of components your MORE likely to get the ones you want/need. Someone needs to "run the numbers" but it isn't going to be me at this point. Yeah I know about that table. The issue is that they are not the pay out odds. They are the odds for the distribution of items with a band of value. You are right about the stuff in the second paragraph. Third paragraph: we cant run the numbers since we don’t know the odds. The only thing we can do is collect a large enough sample and try to work out the odds for each band of items. A couple hundred sample should do but than pix just changes the distribution on the fly I think as soon as people work it out and the info is published Pix changes things. IMO Pix will also change pay out odds in response to the move in public sentiment about the game.
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Post by seanh on Dec 10, 2017 19:28:06 GMT -5
Spun a gold earlier as well, got 4,650 Shocktrain components, am ok with that, already had about 2k from random stuff, so if I finish the event grind might actually get 3 of them on a Bulgasari, going to OP the ?poo-poo? out of everyone,
Spun a gold last month, got 2k Kumiho, which have never been used, but two silver spins later won a lance, sits nicely with the 6/6 hanger. All in all I take these things as additional freebies, whatever it is, either use, sell or respin, its all good.
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Post by Cjax on Dec 10, 2017 23:37:43 GMT -5
I used 99% of my ads to open bronze chests and saved all keys earned for gold chests. Only took 2 gold chests and a days worth more of free bronze to get me to my super chest. At this rate I should be opening about 3-4 super chests this month. I'm a (mostly) free player (picked up 10 of the 500+ au for $.99 deals to get a Fury) and this was the first super I've ever got to. Only time I use ads to rush upgrades is if it finishes when I'll be sleeping or working, and then it's back to chests.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 11, 2017 1:31:14 GMT -5
Just hit the superchest. Looks like it is all either components, keys or Au. Overwhelmingly components. I got 2k Kumiho parts. Meh. One of the worst prizes but I can't complain b/c I won a butch on the free spin earlier and 10k on gold spins. My advice, or at least what I have been doing, is save all of the keys until I hit gold chest but use every commercial I take for bronze spins. That is a horrifically bad prize for a Superchest. I feel like there are better prizes in Gold Chests.
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Post by Nitro on Dec 11, 2017 1:48:43 GMT -5
Just hit the superchest. Looks like it is all either components, keys or Au. Overwhelmingly components. I got 2k Kumiho parts. Meh. One of the worst prizes but I can't complain b/c I won a butch on the free spin earlier and 10k on gold spins. My advice, or at least what I have been doing, is save all of the keys until I hit gold chest but use every commercial I take for bronze spins. That is a horrifically bad prize for a Superchest. I feel like there are better prizes in Gold Chests. I got 12,000 Hover Components from the superchest last season, pretty nice. Almost landed on I think 7,500 shocktrain components though. And I got there almost entirely on just bronze chests, an occasional silver chest and 1 gold chest. I'm 7/8ths of the way there again already and the BM season has only been about a week already. In fact, I feel like bronze and silver chests are almost regarded as same value as gold chests if not slightly less, in proportion to how fast they fill the Superchest progress bar
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Post by WilsonK on Dec 11, 2017 2:08:00 GMT -5
The spin games are so obviously rigged. ESPECIALLY the drawcards and roulette spins... SO RIGGED lol! I can almost guarantee myself every single time when I use the "free" spin/draw I'd get some silver or some premium hours.. lololol...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 2:42:48 GMT -5
Save up your Kumiho components, because when 3.5 hits the daily components start with kumiho and you have 2k so you have a head start.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 11, 2017 3:03:45 GMT -5
Just hit the superchest. Looks like it is all either components, keys or Au. Overwhelmingly components. I got 2k Kumiho parts. Meh. One of the worst prizes but I can't complain b/c I won a butch on the free spin earlier and 10k on gold spins. My advice, or at least what I have been doing, is save all of the keys until I hit gold chest but use every commercial I take for bronze spins. Same..I just hit superchest too some hours ago and got 2k kumiho comp. ..from my last two superchest I got 2.1k inquisitor comp from each spins..I have never tried gold..mostly I open silver but if gold is really nice I’ll try it out once..didn’t tried it coz I rather take chance of getting 59 keys back from a silver chest than 500 back from 1k :/
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Post by ironstar on Dec 11, 2017 3:31:07 GMT -5
Just hit the superchest. Looks like it is all either components, keys or Au. Overwhelmingly components. I got 2k Kumiho parts. Meh. One of the worst prizes but I can't complain b/c I won a butch on the free spin earlier and 10k on gold spins. My advice, or at least what I have been doing, is save all of the keys until I hit gold chest but use every commercial I take for bronze spins. That is a horrifically bad prize for a Superchest. I feel like there are better prizes in Gold Chests. Wow thats a bad payout. I got 1000 kumiho parts in a gold chest last month and felt ripped off... I opened a super chest last night with my kid. I got a Rog and was a little dissapointed at first. In hindsight however I am pleased; I got a whole bot and not parts of one. I love my current orkan Rog so I am thinking my second will be equipped with tarans for hunting carnages and haechi and then either function as beacon capper in my second hangar or as a specialist bot in my primary hangar
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Dec 11, 2017 10:51:42 GMT -5
I have tried all three non-real money spending routes: A single gold after grinding keys, silver as soon as I get 100 keys, and bronze. I have to side with adriannnnnn and go with bronze. My superchest is filling up faster and you get free spins with ads. You do get about 33% 12k Ag wins but I do get keys, parts and Au with the remaining 66%.
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Post by adriannnnnn on Dec 11, 2017 10:59:29 GMT -5
I have tried all three non-real money spending routes: A single gold after grinding keys, silver as soon as I get 100 keys, and bronze. I have to side with adriannnnnn and go with bronze. My superchest is filling up faster and you get free spins with ads. You do get about 33% 12k Ag wins but I do get keys, parts and Au with the remaining 66%. Not sure if this image attachment works as I've never used this before. But... this is a screenshot of where I'm at using ONLY Bronze chests and watching a ton of ads lol. I'm not going to lie but watching ads lately has been quite addictive.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 11, 2017 11:04:09 GMT -5
That is a horrifically bad prize for a Superchest. I feel like there are better prizes in Gold Chests. Wow thats a bad payout. I got 1000 kumiho parts in a gold chest last month and felt ripped off... I opened a super chest last night with my kid. I got a Rog and was a little dissapointed at first. In hindsight however I am pleased; I got a whole bot and not parts of one. I love my current orkan Rog so I am thinking my second will be equipped with tarans for hunting carnages and haechi and then either function as beacon capper in my second hangar or as a specialist bot in my primary hangar I'd definitely rather have gotten something better in terms of components. It was for sure one of the worst prizes. That said, my last superchest was 1000 keys, which momentarily really ticked me off to the point that I was ready to quit the game but then I was mollified b/c I won a lance with the 1000 keys. I would rather get Kumiho parts than any whole bot or weapon that might drop except a lance, fury, galahad or zeus. I don't actually need a galahad but I don't have one.
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 11, 2017 11:07:08 GMT -5
I have tried all three non-real money spending routes: A single gold after grinding keys, silver as soon as I get 100 keys, and bronze. I have to side with adriannnnnn and go with bronze. My superchest is filling up faster and you get free spins with ads. You do get about 33% 12k Ag wins but I do get keys, parts and Au with the remaining 66%. Not sure if this image attachment works as I've never used this before. But... this is a screenshot of where I'm at using ONLY Bronze chests and watching a ton of ads lol. I'm not going to lie but watching ads lately has been quite addictive. How many superchests are you going to fill that route? By using all commercials for bronze but saving up keys till gold, I expect to hit 4 gold chests and 4 superchests plus however many bronze spins there are. In my experience, gold chest drops are as good as sc. How many SC's will you hit?
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Post by adriannnnnn on Dec 11, 2017 11:20:58 GMT -5
I'm guessing I would get just one super chest but I'm ok with that since I'm using only Bronze. I'm not even sure what the prizing is with Gold and Super Chest now since I haven't opened one in ages. Supply Drops would also help with all of this.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 11, 2017 11:42:12 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!!
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Post by Domino on Dec 11, 2017 11:50:57 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!! It's called gambling for a reason
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 11, 2017 11:53:42 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!! It's called gambling for a reason Oh, I didn't expect anything spectacular, but supposedly the more you invest, the larger the return. And it isn't gambling when the deck is stacked. I had just hoped for a less stacked deck than I received.
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Post by βเg קคקค קย๓ק on Dec 11, 2017 12:11:15 GMT -5
Highly recommend the Superchests if you like to get a large sum of components or a hefty amount of AU. I won 4500 Haechi components in this method and the next time I won 8000 gold. These boxes can put you over the hump in many ways and they give out the best items. If you are lucky enough, you can fill those Dash or Inquisitor components really fast with these.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Dec 11, 2017 13:00:52 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!! I did something similar in the last BM. I got to 1000 keys with a hard grind and ended up with a pull that gave me 3400 Tempest bits.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 11, 2017 13:37:12 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!! Well guess how would you feel If you get double of that from superchest ..was really pissed as I too just opened my superchest and got 2k kumihl ckmp..a superchest bar requires around 7.5k keys ..assuming I get kumiho comp for each gold I’ll take it from gold rather than getting it from superchest...but guess that’s y it’s called gambling
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 11, 2017 13:47:08 GMT -5
Grrr! I've been busting my hump, trying to build up keys. I was up over 900, and broke down and bought my last 100. I throw open the gold chest and what do I receive? 1,000 lousy Kumiho components. What a letdown. Last month, I won 1,000 Au, which wasn't what I was hoping for, but I could live with it. But 1,000 Kumi components? Talk about a disappointment. Oh, by the way, that took my Kumi component total up to 2,365, so I'm only a stone's throw away from getting one. NOT!! Well guess how would you feel If you get double of that from superchest ..was really pissed as I too just opened my superchest and got 2k kumihl ckmp..a superchest bar requires around 7.5k keys ..assuming I get kumiho comp for each gold I’ll take it from gold rather than getting it from superchest...but guess that’s y it’s called gambling I realize that we're basically gambling with virtual currency, but come on. All the time, you see that pop up window at the bottom of your screen, telling how this person won a Haechi, or that person won a Bulgasari. Heck, I wouldn't waste the Au on a Fury, but I wouldn't whine if I won one on a BM spin. At least I could outfit it with all the Trebs that I don't use. I'd be very happy with a Doc. Just as long as it isn't another Natty or Leo. I have enough of them to almost complete a hangar of each. I'll probably sell some of them one day, but I'll hold off for now.
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Post by Pilot sand735 on Dec 11, 2017 14:58:58 GMT -5
i got inquisotor 2050 comp sucks
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