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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 8, 2017 22:31:28 GMT -5
Ok. Lets start with an admission. After amassing enough components from gold and wsp offers to get a my first shocktrain (and well on my way to a 2nd), I bit the bullet and after much hemming and hawing, ponied up the difference. So sue me, Im an occassional wus.
Having sorely wanted a shogatka build (since the test server), I mounted both shocks (lv7, lv4) on my lv 9 rog and decided to find out what kind of niche it would fill. First Dom game out and I land in valley. I grab the first beacon by the ramp and get zapped. Lightning. I look across the field to see a lone Zarnage (botlv10, wepLv9, Lv6) that looks intent on teaching me a lesson. I figure we're evenly matched. His reach and my mobility. He's knows his bot as well. Hugging cover, only keeping zeuses in line of sight. Repositioning when necessary. Strangely, our team mates leave us alone in this part of the map. Perhaps not wanting a teste of either weapon. I won with a third of life left . But he made me work for it.
I'd normally avoid posting observations based on a single encounter, but I found lots of benefits when using the rog as a replacement for a zarnage. The added mobility and jump is at times much more preferrable than ancile. Except when under threat of sniper AND artillery or rocket splash. Discharge time is negligible as no bot moves fast enough to exploit the slight difference. Mobility also minimizes the range difference between weapons. I wont comment on the chain effect as my acidic position on it is well known.
Anyhow, I'll keep testing and hopefully add to this post soon.
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 8, 2017 22:40:30 GMT -5
Yes but a Carnage can carry two heavy hardpoints while a Rogatka carries two medium hardpoints. I don't see how the two are comparable.
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Post by moses on Dec 8, 2017 22:48:50 GMT -5
Yes but a Carnage can carry two heavy hardpoints while a Rogatka carries two medium hardpoints. I don't see how the two are comparable. Because a shocktrain does around 90% of the damage of Zeus (before even counting secondary hits) so when you want something fast, mid range and zappy these are both viable options. Now whether it makes sense that shocktrain is a medium and not a heavy weapon is the real question |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 8, 2017 23:39:01 GMT -5
Yes but a Carnage can carry two heavy hardpoints while a Rogatka carries two medium hardpoints. I don't see how the two are comparable. Because a shocktrain does around 90% of the damage of Zeus (before even counting secondary hits) so when you want something fast, mid range and zappy these are both viable options. Now whether it makes sense that shocktrain is a medium and not a heavy weapon is the real question I 2nd this. See the storm thunder comparison as well. The big advantage I see is the speed of the mechs they can be mounted on. Speed increases ability to hit and contributes to evasion hence longevity, not to mention added abilities. These weapons hitting medium hardpoints while doing damage close to their heavy counterparts doesnt take this into consideration much. I love me my legacy mechs but a sad observation emerging speed wise is: Aphid Patton > aphid gep mk2 > aphid jesse mk2 Zarnage >? Shogatka Tharnage > Storm Haechi I'm sure there are others as well. |
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Dec 9, 2017 0:03:02 GMT -5
I thought it was a Shotgun Rogatka. Wondered how the two was comparable.
Boy was I wrong.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Dec 9, 2017 0:20:10 GMT -5
Yes but a Carnage can carry two heavy hardpoints while a Rogatka carries two medium hardpoints. I don't see how the two are comparable. They are both mobile midrange plasma. totally comparable! |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 9, 2017 0:40:59 GMT -5
I thought it was a Shotgun Rogatka. Wondered how the two was comparable. Boy was I wrong. Me too, until I got in to the middle of the tale. I was very interested to see if two storms were viable on a Rog. Probably not, as Rog can't take a lot of close up brawling. |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 9, 2017 1:12:08 GMT -5
I thought it was a Shotgun Rogatka. Wondered how the two was comparable. Boy was I wrong. Me too, until I got in to the middle of the tale. I was very interested to see if two storms were viable on a Rog. Probably not, as Rog can't take a lot of close up brawling. It can probably beat a Rogorkan if used correctly, once I faced one with my Rogorkan, almost got killed! |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 9, 2017 3:09:18 GMT -5
Me too, until I got in to the middle of the tale. I was very interested to see if two storms were viable on a Rog. Probably not, as Rog can't take a lot of close up brawling. It can probably beat a Rogorkan if used correctly, once I faced one with my Rogorkan, almost got killed! Rogorkan can dish out some pain, but you'd better be ready to take some pain in return. And those darn Orkans are so painfully slow to reload. It's like firing a Magnum *Pew* *Pew* |
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Post by _psychø on Dec 9, 2017 8:17:47 GMT -5
It can probably beat a Rogorkan if used correctly, once I faced one with my Rogorkan, almost got killed! Rogorkan can dish out some pain, but you'd better be ready to take some pain in return. And those darn Orkans are so painfully slow to reload. It's like firing a Magnum *Pew* *Pew* Indeed, that's where the Storm shines, when your Orkans are empty! |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 9, 2017 9:35:32 GMT -5
The storm IS unmercifully brutal. Specially in multiples. I run a set on a haechi in place of orkans. I havent lost to a Tharnage yet and most are 2-3 levels above what I run. They chew through ancile fast and still have enough in reserve to pop weapons off an ancile leo.It can take a tharnage in a little over a reload cycle.
"For so great is the lament from they that litter the storms path. No life flees untouched."
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 9, 2017 11:41:03 GMT -5
I'm anxious to run a Storm/Gust Griffin to see what havoc it can cause. I'm also extremely curious to see what a Thunderstorm Gust Gollum could do.
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 9, 2017 13:26:55 GMT -5
I thought it was a Shotgun Rogatka. Wondered how the two was comparable. Boy was I wrong. Me too, until I got in to the middle of the tale. I was very interested to see if two storms were viable on a Rog. Probably not, as Rog can't take a lot of close up brawling. Proper term would perhaps be Shockatga then. |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Dec 9, 2017 13:53:42 GMT -5
Me too, until I got in to the middle of the tale. I was very interested to see if two storms were viable on a Rog. Probably not, as Rog can't take a lot of close up brawling. Proper term would perhaps be Shockatga then. Rogtrain. |
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Post by Nexsan on Dec 9, 2017 18:53:46 GMT -5
Proper term would perhaps be Shockatga then. Rogtrain. Yeah I agree. 'Sho...' sounds too much like shotgun which directly associates with Storm. Rogtrain sounds kind of cool, even if it consists of component items that most people won't have access towards. |
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